The Sadness of Welfare

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Going with what ZEB said.
Living in Canada, and the winters we have here, I’ve often wondered why they don’t get people on welfare to clear the snow in the streets, after all, they’re already being paid.
Cut grass in the parks, and other landscaping activities.
Clean up garbage in certain districts that you want to look nice.
Sweep up streets in the spring from all the salt and sand that was laid down over winter.
I’m sure there’s plenty more that could be thought up.[/quote]

Lolololol

Social security where I live is less than 20$ a day and it’s probably even less in redneck alberta. All those activities you listed are unionized blue collar jobs with an average salary of 20$ per hour which is in twice as more than the average student job. I am a student working as a blue collar for my town in the summer. Clearing the snow, cutting the grass in the park and all the connex activities necessitate machinery and trucks to carry all the tools you need. It is not “lets give every obese women and incapacitated father a shovel and let them wander with it in the street”. Those job require an organisation and coordination between the people. And certain skill of course that you learn.

Most minimum wage half-slave private sector employee would dream to have this job. Now if you are not totally de mauvaise foi you would see why your idea is naive.

So in reality this kind of “degrading” jobs= quite good even if it doesnt have much status. Forrest Gump was one lucky retard. Now the jobs in those US.
retail store (like best buy, walmart, etc) not so much. Oh boy am I happy to be in Quebec. Probably one of the sanest place in the earth.[/quote]

Hell, even picking up garbage on highways would be better than having them sit on their ass and receiving a paycheck from the government. I’m sure there’s some sort of jobs that we could find for them.[/quote]

Put’er there Fletch
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lol, nice image. I still don’t know how to post images. How is it done?[/quote]

Its magic!

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

You want me to prove to you the existence of Cherubim, a spiritual being? I believe I have a guardian angel by my side, you want me to prove that I have a guardian angel, too? How would you like me to prove that?[/quote]

Stand under something large as its thrown on to you from a tall building.

Certainly your guardian angel would stop it from hitting you somehow, right?[/quote]

I don’t test God, sorry.[/quote]
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Mature.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

You want me to prove to you the existence of Cherubim, a spiritual being? I believe I have a guardian angel by my side, you want me to prove that I have a guardian angel, too? How would you like me to prove that?[/quote]

Stand under something large as its thrown on to you from a tall building.

Certainly your guardian angel would stop it from hitting you somehow, right?[/quote]

I don’t test God, sorry.[/quote]
[/quote]

Mature.[/quote]

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

You want me to prove to you the existence of Cherubim, a spiritual being? I believe I have a guardian angel by my side, you want me to prove that I have a guardian angel, too? How would you like me to prove that?[/quote]

Stand under something large as its thrown on to you from a tall building.

Certainly your guardian angel would stop it from hitting you somehow, right?[/quote]

I don’t test God, sorry.[/quote]
[/quote]

Mature.[/quote]
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Only on Wednesday.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

You want me to prove to you the existence of Cherubim, a spiritual being? I believe I have a guardian angel by my side, you want me to prove that I have a guardian angel, too? How would you like me to prove that?[/quote]

Stand under something large as its thrown on to you from a tall building.

Certainly your guardian angel would stop it from hitting you somehow, right?[/quote]

I don’t test God, sorry.[/quote]
[/quote]

Mature.[/quote]
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Only on Wednesday.[/quote]

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I dont want to expand on the subject of if this job in particuliar is worth 20$ an hour. But in a world where some people eat dirt cookies to survive, where kids sell box of kleenex in highway of a dirty megalopolis and sleep on the street while some other have everything to the point where it is obscene I dont feel guilty of getting slightly overpaid for a manual job. It is an honest job, the kind of job there should be more of. And thinking of it its not overpaid it is the other jobs that are underpaid. It is a great thing that some people at the base of the ladder are getting some money for once. While this is probably far out for you people from the U.S.A this is Canada and life is a little bit better for the poor.

For the welfare 20$ a day is nothing. Trying to live with this is a job in itself. This is probably by far the 20$ that does the most good per dollar given all the other ridiculous amount that is being spent by the gov. For questionnable purpose.

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Who’s eating dirt cookies? and selling kleenex on highways?
I’ve never seen that in Canada.
I could understand getting a minimum of $20/hour and probably more if it were your own lawn mower, but not if you’re using someone elses.

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Haitian eat dirt cookie. I didnt see it personnally so forget about that
Kids in Istanbul and Morocco (or anywhere poor enough) sell little packs of kleenex in the street and in crowded peak hour highway when the car move slow enough (in istanbul) The adult sell fucking plastic soap bubble gun

They should get welfare
Oh well

I am out of here

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Let’s keep wages, and welfare in the same geographical location.

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$20 an hour to shovel snow? Canadians actually believe this shit?

Shit as a kid my brother and I used to shovel peoples driveways and sidewalks for $5. And it took us about an hour.

20 fucking dollars.

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[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Let’s keep wages, and welfare in the same geographical location. [/quote]

Why? You need to keep the work much harder then the pay to force them to move to a real job.

Make welfare a nightmare to be on.

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[quote]John S. wrote:
$20 an hour to shovel snow? Canadians actually believe this shit?

Shit as a kid my brother and I used to shovel peoples driveways and sidewalks for $5. And it took us about an hour.

20 fucking dollars.[/quote]

No, just jasmincar.

I have not met many who do, even those belonging to government unions who get paid that much for that type of work. They won’t refuse the money, but most of them know they don’t really deserve it.

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I know when I was 16, I’d go shovel snow on my own time. One blizzardy day, I made $100 in 2 hours, but it depends on how fast you work too.

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[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
I know when I was 16, I’d go shovel snow on my own time. One blizzardy day, I made $100 in 2 hours, but it depends on how fast you work too.[/quote]

the reason those “low skill” jobs pay so well is not only because theyre govnt jobs, but because they suck and no one will do them for 8 dollars an hour, private contracting is just soft sweatshops. Shoveling snow 8 hours a day, every day, day after day. This isnt like when you were kids and had no responsibilities.

at the hospital i work at, the people who do the cleaning, trash and sanitary work are contracted out, the part time kids working the gift shop make more than they do per hour. those contracted workers are dealing with staff who wont bother to learn their names, hazmat, and most gross things you can imagine happen in hospitals. no surprise its a revolving door of people who work their, and no surprise that attracts a lot of less than honorable workers, so theft happens, people who dont want to work hard take those jobs and slack off, and could care less about washing their hands and worry about spreading germs to patients. But at the end of the day its cheaper for the hospital.

this is basically why a lot of physical city jobs are paid well and not contracted to private companies.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Let’s keep wages, and welfare in the same geographical location. [/quote]

Why? You need to keep the work much harder then the pay to force them to move to a real job.

Make welfare a nightmare to be on.[/quote]

As I said in my thread on politics and logic. You get more of a behavior that you reward, that is basic psychology. But the leftys on the board say “nooooooooo we have to pay those poor poor people to do absolutely nothing.” It matters not that they’ve created entire generations of entitlement mentality.

Rush Limbaugh is right liberalism is a mental disorder - Really how else can you explain it?

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[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Let’s keep wages, and welfare in the same geographical location. [/quote]

Why? You need to keep the work much harder then the pay to force them to move to a real job.

Make welfare a nightmare to be on.[/quote]

As I said in my thread on politics and logic. You get more of a behavior that you reward, that is basic psychology. But the leftys on the board say “nooooooooo we have to pay those poor poor people to do absolutely nothing.” It matters not that they’ve created entire generations of entitlement mentality.

Rush Limbaugh is right liberalism is a mental disorder - Really how else can you explain it?

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[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
I know when I was 16, I’d go shovel snow on my own time. One blizzardy day, I made $100 in 2 hours, but it depends on how fast you work too.[/quote]

the reason those “low skill” jobs pay so well is not only because theyre govnt jobs, but because they suck and no one will do them for 8 dollars an hour, private contracting is just soft sweatshops. Shoveling snow 8 hours a day, every day, day after day. This isnt like when you were kids and had no responsibilities.

at the hospital i work at, the people who do the cleaning, trash and sanitary work are contracted out, the part time kids working the gift shop make more than they do per hour. those contracted workers are dealing with staff who wont bother to learn their names, hazmat, and most gross things you can imagine happen in hospitals. no surprise its a revolving door of people who work their, and no surprise that attracts a lot of less than honorable workers, so theft happens, people who dont want to work hard take those jobs and slack off, and could care less about washing their hands and worry about spreading germs to patients. But at the end of the day its cheaper for the hospital.

this is basically why a lot of physical city jobs are paid well and not contracted to private companies.[/quote]

Wait wait wait. You mean paying people decent wages results in better work, less turnover, less theft, and less people on government assistance? That paying shit wages results in shit attitudes and people going on welfare?

How dare you. If businesses pay MOAR they’ll all go out of business, just ask orion!

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
I know when I was 16, I’d go shovel snow on my own time. One blizzardy day, I made $100 in 2 hours, but it depends on how fast you work too.[/quote]

the reason those “low skill” jobs pay so well is not only because theyre govnt jobs, but because they suck and no one will do them for 8 dollars an hour, private contracting is just soft sweatshops. Shoveling snow 8 hours a day, every day, day after day. This isnt like when you were kids and had no responsibilities.

at the hospital i work at, the people who do the cleaning, trash and sanitary work are contracted out, the part time kids working the gift shop make more than they do per hour. those contracted workers are dealing with staff who wont bother to learn their names, hazmat, and most gross things you can imagine happen in hospitals. no surprise its a revolving door of people who work their, and no surprise that attracts a lot of less than honorable workers, so theft happens, people who dont want to work hard take those jobs and slack off, and could care less about washing their hands and worry about spreading germs to patients. But at the end of the day its cheaper for the hospital.

this is basically why a lot of physical city jobs are paid well and not contracted to private companies.[/quote]

Wait wait wait. You mean paying people decent wages results in better work, less turnover, less theft, and less people on government assistance? That paying shit wages results in shit attitudes and people going on welfare?

How dare you. If businesses pay MOAR they’ll all go out of business, just ask orion![/quote]

Nike treats his American employees very well.

They have a spa and gyms and a plethora of other fringe benefits.

The real production however is done overseas, because it does not pay for them to pamper unskilled laborers.

So yes, for some people it pays to keep them happy, for others it doesnt.

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These low wage jobs that the left seem to complain about are not supposed to be forever. It is not hard to get out of them and on to a better paying job. So all you cry baby liberals will forgive me as I don’t take any of your sob stories seriously.

I make 9.25 an hour working at that evil Wal-Mart, I work 32 hours a week because that is the only job around right now, and I am doing a 15 credit class load.

I pay for my own health insurance through my job, pay my own bills, rent, and food, buy at least 3 ounces of silver a month and have money left over.

So anyone who is down like that is either disabled in which charities will help them, Or they are lazy and have no reason to move up because things like food stamps and rent assistance allows them to stay on the bottom.

Anyone trying to make it out to be more then that is just outright lying.

And low level production needs to be temporary so people entering the workforce actually have a job.

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[quote]John S. wrote:
These low wage jobs that the left seem to complain about are not supposed to be forever. It is not hard to get out of them and on to a better paying job. So all you cry baby liberals will forgive me as I don’t take any of your sob stories seriously.

I make 9.25 an hour working at that evil Wal-Mart, I work 32 hours a week because that is the only job around right now, and I am doing a 15 credit class load.

I pay for my own health insurance through my job, pay my own bills, rent, and food, buy at least 3 ounces of silver a month and have money left over.

So anyone who is down like that is either disabled in which charities will help them, Or they are lazy and have no reason to move up because things like food stamps and rent assistance allows them to stay on the bottom.

Anyone trying to make it out to be more then that is just outright lying.

And low level production needs to be temporary so people entering the workforce actually have a job.[/quote]

On 9.25 an hour? Exactly how much is your rent?