[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Ok, how to be morally upright.
I like some taoist books for this. The way and its power.[/quote]
I never understood this fascination with eastern religions.[/quote]
Taoism is a philosophy, not a religion. And it doesn’t ask people to believe in mythological nonsense.[/quote]
Taoism is a philosophy and a path to find God through nature. Don’t try to fool me. Just because they call it the “source” doesn’t mean they are still not have a god.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Speaking of Buddha, and Christ, a friend of mine recommened this independany(?) film to me. I realy enjoyed and recommend you check it out as well. It’s called the Man from Earth, it was on youtube but I don’t seem to be able to locate then links, here’s a vimeo, I believe it’s full length. http://vimeo.com/5857212[/quote]
Can I get the cliff notes. Not trying to be lazy, but I couldn’t find the video.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Speaking of Buddha, and Christ, a friend of mine recommened this independany(?) film to me. I realy enjoyed and recommend you check it out as well. It’s called the Man from Earth, it was on youtube but I don’t seem to be able to locate then links, here’s a vimeo, I believe it’s full length. http://vimeo.com/5857212[/quote]
Can I get the cliff notes. Not trying to be lazy, but I couldn’t find the video.[/quote]
Ok, I’ll try to explain the movie as briefly as possible w/o laving anything out.
Actually, I just checked the wiki, and it describes it fairly well, so here it is.
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The movie begins with Professor John Oldman (David Lee Smith) packing his belongings onto his truck, preparing to move to a new home. His colleagues show up to give him an impromptu farewell party: Harry (John Billingsley), a biologist; Edith (Ellen Crawford), a fellow professor and devout Christian; Dan (Tony Todd), an anthropologist; Sandy (Annika Peterson), a historian who is in love with John; Dr. Will Gruber (Richard Riehle), a psychologist; Art (William Katt), an archaeologist; and his student Linda (Alexis Thorpe).
As John’s colleagues continue to pressure him for the reason for his departure, John slowly, and somewhat reluctantly, reveals that he is a prehistoric “caveman” who has survived for more than 14,000 years. His colleagues refuse to believe his story. John continues his tale, stating that he was once a Sumerian for 2000 years, then a Babylonian under Hammurabi, then a disciple of Gautama Buddha. He claims to have known Christopher Columbus, Van Gogh, and other famous historical figures.
During the course of the conversation, John’s colleagues question his story according to their specialties. For instance, Harry, the biologist, discusses the possibility of a human living for so long. Art, the archaeologist, questions John about events in prehistory; he exclaims that John’s answers, though correct, could have come from any textbook.
The discussion turns to the topic of religion. John mentions that he is not a follower of a particular religion; though he does not necessarily believe in an omnipotent God, he does not discount the possibility of such a being’s existence. John then reluctantly reveals that he was the inspiration for Jesus, which leaves members of his audience, especially Edith, aghast and angry. Out of his hearing, they begin to talk about the possibility of John being mentally ill or high on drugs.
After this shocking revelation, emotions in the room run high. Edith begins crying, and Gruber sternly demands that John end his tale and give closure by admitting it was all a hoax, threatening him with the possibility of locking him up for observation. John apologizes to everyone and tells them that it was all just a story.
John’s friends begin to leave. John apologizes to Harry and Edith, while Art and Linda depart without many parting words. When it is Dan’s turn to say goodbye, his words hint that he believes John’s story. After everyone but Dr. Gruber and Sandy has left, Dr. Gruber overhears John and Sandy’s conversation, which suggests that the story was true after all. John mentions some of the pun pseudonyms he had used over the years, such as John Paley (as in Paleolithic) and John Savage. He also mentions another pseudonym, used over sixty years ago while a chemistry professor at Harvard: John Thomas Partee (as in John T. Party of Boston). This was the name of Gruber’s father; upon hearing this, Gruber, shocked and over-excited at the sight of his ageless father, suffers a heart attack and dies. After Gruber’s body is taken away, Sandy notes that John seems especially struck by his death. She realizes that it is the first time he has seen his own child die. John wordlessly gets in his truck and drives away, as though to leave forever. Then he stops and looks at Sandy, apparently deciding to spend some time with her. The movie ends with Sandy getting into the truck.[/quote]
I hope that was sufficient. It is worth watching IMO.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Ok, how to be morally upright.
I like some taoist books for this. The way and its power.[/quote]
I never understood this fascination with eastern religions.[/quote]
You know, I wonder if eastern religions feel the same way about Christianity?
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The Origins of Catholicism are Oriental.
I don’t think people in the Orient are fascinated with Christianity, at least not to the extent that people are in the Occident. There is a Oriental Rite in Catholicism, but I digress as that has been around for almost 2000 years.
I am just talking about the pattern of people in Occident being fascinated to the point of obsession with Oriental religions. I remember seeing a picture of my mother dressed up like an Egyptian princess, smoking an Camel from Egypt, and she told me when I was older that she “practiced” and studied Egyptian religions.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Ok, how to be morally upright.
I like some taoist books for this. The way and its power.[/quote]
I never understood this fascination with eastern religions.[/quote]
You know, I wonder if eastern religions feel the same way about Christianity?
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ROFLMAO!!!
I imagine they do.[/quote]
I do know that Orientals love their mothers and I have found that one thing that Orientals do find attractive about Catholicism is the love given to the Mothers of Catholicism.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Ok, how to be morally upright.
I like some taoist books for this. The way and its power.[/quote]
I never understood this fascination with eastern religions.[/quote]
Taoism is a philosophy, not a religion. And it doesn’t ask people to believe in mythological nonsense.[/quote]
Taoism is a philosophy and a path to find God through nature. Don’t try to fool me. Just because they call it the “source” doesn’t mean they are still not have a god.[/quote]
They don’t talk about an invisible man up in the sky who sits on a throne protected by four faced animals and birds with six wings.
So, higher power? Great Tao? Yes. Christian concept of god? No.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Ok, how to be morally upright.
I like some taoist books for this. The way and its power.[/quote]
I never understood this fascination with eastern religions.[/quote]
Taoism is a philosophy, not a religion. And it doesn’t ask people to believe in mythological nonsense.[/quote]
Taoism is a philosophy and a path to find God through nature. Don’t try to fool me. Just because they call it the “source” doesn’t mean they are still not have a god.[/quote]
They don’t talk about an invisible man up in the sky who sits on a throne protected by four faced animals and birds with six wings.
So, higher power? Great Tao? Yes. Christian concept of god? No.[/quote]
I don’t talk about an invisible man up in the sky who sits on a throne protected by four faced animals and birds with six wings.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Ok, how to be morally upright.
I like some taoist books for this. The way and its power.[/quote]
I never understood this fascination with eastern religions.[/quote]
Taoism is a philosophy, not a religion. And it doesn’t ask people to believe in mythological nonsense.[/quote]
Taoism is a philosophy and a path to find God through nature. Don’t try to fool me. Just because they call it the “source” doesn’t mean they are still not have a god.[/quote]
They don’t talk about an invisible man up in the sky who sits on a throne protected by four faced animals and birds with six wings.
So, higher power? Great Tao? Yes. Christian concept of god? No.[/quote]
I don’t talk about an invisible man up in the sky who sits on a throne protected by four faced animals and birds with six wings.[/quote]
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Ok, how to be morally upright.
I like some taoist books for this. The way and its power.[/quote]
I never understood this fascination with eastern religions.[/quote]
Taoism is a philosophy, not a religion. And it doesn’t ask people to believe in mythological nonsense.[/quote]
Taoism is a philosophy and a path to find God through nature. Don’t try to fool me. Just because they call it the “source” doesn’t mean they are still not have a god.[/quote]
They don’t talk about an invisible man up in the sky who sits on a throne protected by four faced animals and birds with six wings.
So, higher power? Great Tao? Yes. Christian concept of god? No.[/quote]
I don’t talk about an invisible man up in the sky who sits on a throne protected by four faced animals and birds with six wings.[/quote]
Your bible talks about four faced animals, I’ll look up the six winged birds once you prove the existence of Cherubim.[/quote]
You want me to prove to you the existence of Cherubim, a spiritual being? I believe I have a guardian angel by my side, you want me to prove that I have a guardian angel, too? How would you like me to prove that?
I know what a Cherubim is and it is not a four face animal.
And it is not a six winged bird, it’s a Seraphim. Seraphims are the highest ranked angels in God’s court. Angels…not birds.
Cherubims are also angelic beings and hold highest rank with the Seraphims. Cherubims are not four faced animals, you’re thinking of Ezekiel 10:14, “the first face was the face of a cherub and the second that of a man, the third the face of a lion and the fourth the face of an eagle.” The faces are of animals, but the Cherubims themselves are not animals, but angelic beings.
I don’t know how Ezekiel was speaking on the Cherubims, but they are not always depicted as four faced beings, the ones over the house are one faced. However, the faces could be explaining something entirely different.
Interesting fact about Cherubims and Catholics, if you look at our icons for the four Gospels, we took the icons from Ezekiel you have a man, a lion, an ox, and an eagle.
You want me to prove to you the existence of Cherubim, a spiritual being? I believe I have a guardian angel by my side, you want me to prove that I have a guardian angel, too? How would you like me to prove that?[/quote]
Stand under something large as its thrown on to you from a tall building.
Certainly your guardian angel would stop it from hitting you somehow, right?
You want me to prove to you the existence of Cherubim, a spiritual being? I believe I have a guardian angel by my side, you want me to prove that I have a guardian angel, too? How would you like me to prove that?[/quote]
Stand under something large as its thrown on to you from a tall building.
Certainly your guardian angel would stop it from hitting you somehow, right?[/quote]
You want me to prove to you the existence of Cherubim, a spiritual being? I believe I have a guardian angel by my side, you want me to prove that I have a guardian angel, too? How would you like me to prove that?[/quote]
Stand under something large as its thrown on to you from a tall building.
Certainly your guardian angel would stop it from hitting you somehow, right?[/quote]
You want me to prove to you the existence of Cherubim, a spiritual being? I believe I have a guardian angel by my side, you want me to prove that I have a guardian angel, too? How would you like me to prove that?[/quote]
Stand under something large as its thrown on to you from a tall building.
Certainly your guardian angel would stop it from hitting you somehow, right?[/quote]
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Going with what ZEB said.
Living in Canada, and the winters we have here, I’ve often wondered why they don’t get people on welfare to clear the snow in the streets, after all, they’re already being paid.
Cut grass in the parks, and other landscaping activities.
Clean up garbage in certain districts that you want to look nice.
Sweep up streets in the spring from all the salt and sand that was laid down over winter.
I’m sure there’s plenty more that could be thought up.[/quote]
Lolololol
Social security where I live is less than 20$ a day and it’s probably even less in redneck alberta. All those activities you listed are unionized blue collar jobs with an average salary of 20$ per hour which is in twice as more than the average student job. I am a student working as a blue collar for my town in the summer. Clearing the snow, cutting the grass in the park and all the connex activities necessitate machinery and trucks to carry all the tools you need. It is not “lets give every obese women and incapacitated father a shovel and let them wander with it in the street”. Those job require an organisation and coordination between the people. And certain skill of course that you learn.
Most minimum wage half-slave private sector employee would dream to have this job. Now if you are not totally de mauvaise foi you would see why your idea is naive.
So in reality this kind of “degrading” jobs= quite good even if it doesnt have much status. Forrest Gump was one lucky retard. Now the jobs in those US.
retail store (like best buy, walmart, etc) not so much. Oh boy am I happy to be in Quebec. Probably one of the sanest place in the earth.
I don’t know what kind of scale you use to measure skill, but for me, shovelling snow and cutting grass are not high-skill actitivities. Although shovelling snow by hand does require a certain level of fitness and a safe heart, you simply compensate them a little better because of this.
It doesn’t matter what they’re being paid, they’re on welfare getting something for nothing and sitting on their ass(in some cases). You’d rather give them money for nothing while I would rather not.
$20/hour for shovelling snow and cutting grass on a riding mower is called being overpaid. Again, low skill and basic level of fitness are all that is required to perform these tasks. As for the obese women, light physical activity would do them some good. If cutting grass, and shovelling snow is too much, then they can walk around and pick up garbage. It doesn’t take much organizational skill to tell someone to clear snow on sidewalks and cut grass on boulevards/fields. It’s also very easy to inspect that they completed the job.
I like how you used ‘obese women and incapacitated father a shovel and let them wander with it in the street’ as examples of who would be doing the work, nice bias-free post jasmincar.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Going with what ZEB said.
Living in Canada, and the winters we have here, I’ve often wondered why they don’t get people on welfare to clear the snow in the streets, after all, they’re already being paid.
Cut grass in the parks, and other landscaping activities.
Clean up garbage in certain districts that you want to look nice.
Sweep up streets in the spring from all the salt and sand that was laid down over winter.
I’m sure there’s plenty more that could be thought up.[/quote]
Lolololol
Social security where I live is less than 20$ a day and it’s probably even less in redneck alberta. All those activities you listed are unionized blue collar jobs with an average salary of 20$ per hour which is in twice as more than the average student job. I am a student working as a blue collar for my town in the summer. Clearing the snow, cutting the grass in the park and all the connex activities necessitate machinery and trucks to carry all the tools you need. It is not “lets give every obese women and incapacitated father a shovel and let them wander with it in the street”. Those job require an organisation and coordination between the people. And certain skill of course that you learn.
Most minimum wage half-slave private sector employee would dream to have this job. Now if you are not totally de mauvaise foi you would see why your idea is naive.
So in reality this kind of “degrading” jobs= quite good even if it doesnt have much status. Forrest Gump was one lucky retard. Now the jobs in those US.
retail store (like best buy, walmart, etc) not so much. Oh boy am I happy to be in Quebec. Probably one of the sanest place in the earth.[/quote]
Hell, even picking up garbage on highways would be better than having them sit on their ass and receiving a paycheck from the government. I’m sure there’s some sort of jobs that we could find for them.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Going with what ZEB said.
Living in Canada, and the winters we have here, I’ve often wondered why they don’t get people on welfare to clear the snow in the streets, after all, they’re already being paid.
Cut grass in the parks, and other landscaping activities.
Clean up garbage in certain districts that you want to look nice.
Sweep up streets in the spring from all the salt and sand that was laid down over winter.
I’m sure there’s plenty more that could be thought up.[/quote]
Lolololol
Social security where I live is less than 20$ a day and it’s probably even less in redneck alberta. All those activities you listed are unionized blue collar jobs with an average salary of 20$ per hour which is in twice as more than the average student job. I am a student working as a blue collar for my town in the summer. Clearing the snow, cutting the grass in the park and all the connex activities necessitate machinery and trucks to carry all the tools you need. It is not “lets give every obese women and incapacitated father a shovel and let them wander with it in the street”. Those job require an organisation and coordination between the people. And certain skill of course that you learn.
Most minimum wage half-slave private sector employee would dream to have this job. Now if you are not totally de mauvaise foi you would see why your idea is naive.
So in reality this kind of “degrading” jobs= quite good even if it doesnt have much status. Forrest Gump was one lucky retard. Now the jobs in those US.
retail store (like best buy, walmart, etc) not so much. Oh boy am I happy to be in Quebec. Probably one of the sanest place in the earth.[/quote]
Hell, even picking up garbage on highways would be better than having them sit on their ass and receiving a paycheck from the government. I’m sure there’s some sort of jobs that we could find for them.[/quote]
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Going with what ZEB said.
Living in Canada, and the winters we have here, I’ve often wondered why they don’t get people on welfare to clear the snow in the streets, after all, they’re already being paid.
Cut grass in the parks, and other landscaping activities.
Clean up garbage in certain districts that you want to look nice.
Sweep up streets in the spring from all the salt and sand that was laid down over winter.
I’m sure there’s plenty more that could be thought up.[/quote]
Lolololol
Social security where I live is less than 20$ a day and it’s probably even less in redneck alberta. All those activities you listed are unionized blue collar jobs with an average salary of 20$ per hour which is in twice as more than the average student job. I am a student working as a blue collar for my town in the summer. Clearing the snow, cutting the grass in the park and all the connex activities necessitate machinery and trucks to carry all the tools you need. It is not “lets give every obese women and incapacitated father a shovel and let them wander with it in the street”. Those job require an organisation and coordination between the people. And certain skill of course that you learn.
Most minimum wage half-slave private sector employee would dream to have this job. Now if you are not totally de mauvaise foi you would see why your idea is naive.
So in reality this kind of “degrading” jobs= quite good even if it doesnt have much status. Forrest Gump was one lucky retard. Now the jobs in those US.
retail store (like best buy, walmart, etc) not so much. Oh boy am I happy to be in Quebec. Probably one of the sanest place in the earth.[/quote]
Hell, even picking up garbage on highways would be better than having them sit on their ass and receiving a paycheck from the government. I’m sure there’s some sort of jobs that we could find for them.[/quote]
Put’er there Fletch
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lol, nice image. I still don’t know how to post images. How is it done?
