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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cliff Notes …Majin is wrong to think I simply avoided losing body fat at all for over a decade.

My very first picture I posted on this site was after dieting for “damage control” and that alone was over a decade ago. I have heard that I am too fat to even discuss losing body fat at all…which is absolutely ridiculous. I have dieted many times in my life, I just never cared about being super lean like a competing bodybuilder and usually used that as “damage control” when gaining…

It is simply not an issue to me or to most of the people on this site or this planet. Most of the people here aren’t looking to stand on stage…and seriously, if you think looking like I do or did even in that pic came from being lazy, I don’t know what to tell you.

I just know I don’t see too many people here carrying more size than that who disagree with everything I write in regards to training.

Oh, and kids…posts like this:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
X, how do you know when an upcoming month is going to be one in which you gain 1 or 5 pounds so you can adjust the diet accordingly? What indicators do you use, and how much do you up the cals according to how much you’re gonna gain? [/quote]

Are ludicrous…because anyone acting like they can tell how much they are going to gain in muscle in the future isn’t discussing biology.

A person’s biology is not something controlled by the individual on a conscious level. You can not predict gains in the future.

What you can do is make sure that when your body is ready to supercompensate the most, it has what it needs to build as much as it can.

You cover that by actually monitoring an actual controlled weight gain and your progress. Don’t believe the hype, kids.

Your body is not a calculator. It is a variable.[/quote]

I don’t feel like this contained much of anything of substance. I feel like it is just the same things you’ve said over and over again. How can you act like you deserve to give advice on dieting, when you yourself just said you’ve only ever used it primarily as “damage control”, which is a horrible term, I might add. I don’t think anyone ever needs to put on so much fat during a bulk that it could be considered “damage”. You keep saying things like “most here” or “many people on this site” or “most in the world”, and it’s just laughable. Did I miss when you were given the right to speak for everyone on everything? I think MANY posters have stated in some of these threads that they do desire to be very lean. The “Permabulking Memoirs” thread is full of people who “bulked up” only to regret it. Now, many claim that they are after much leaner physiques. You have a serious problem with superimposing your ideals onto others’. Not to mention, there is a BODYBUILDING forum, full of people who wish to have very lean physiques. You seem to forget these things when attempting to make an argument.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Majin wrote:

I don’t know what specifically you mean by a big or small appetite. If you’re eating bodybuilding style, it doesn’t require THAT much calories to grow.[/quote]

This is simply untrue. Yes, there are people who need over 4,000cals a day just to grow. This depends on activity level, age, training and many other variables. What is “bodybuilding style”?[/quote]

Bodybuilding style means every food is selected for a purpose and quantities are measured. It’s having a grip on where your food is coming from, instead of eating junk.

If someone is very active, that will bump up their intake, sure. An active guy may indeed need over 4000kcal. But it will also tend bump up your appetite. If that guy is eating bodybuilding foods then there’s no discrepancy. It’s the people who eat like shit and then try to add more calories on top of it that run into the problem you describe.

Part of someone getting their shit dialed…[/quote]

The word “got” is past tense and in that sentence it clearly refers to someone who is already getting their protein and measuring what they eat.

Gee, I lived it. Other people in this thread have said the same. (…) I had a very poor appetite growing up. It took forcing those meals down initially in order to put on more weight. You really think this doesn’t happen? [/quote]

According to your own account in the “PX a question” thread, you started off piling on cafeteria food like there was no tomorrow, and didn’t have a clear understanding of your caloric intake. But if you take someone who begins by controlling their food and macros, their picture of what’s necessary becomes much clearer. When you eat junk food that you have no control over, of course if will require more calories to grow. There’s less nutrition in it.

I think that a slight surplus is enough to take care of any potential growth. I don’t see it as necessary to overeat in hopes to hit some magical growth spurt that will take you to the next level or that you’ll miss a crucial window of opportunity. Eating whole food with a surplus is enough from what I know about physiology or have seen with people’s results. Glycogen is there, protein is there, micronutirnets check, rest…all that’s left is the training.

I never said that ALL you’ve gained is fat. But that you’ve started out without any sort of precision about your diet, gained a ton of fat and never managed to lose it after all these years. Correct me if I’m wrong.

You have an absolutely decent amount of muscle. I don’t think anyone would argue with that. But you also appear very SOFT and carrying a ton of BF. All the shirtless pics display a fold on the side of your chest. Arms are soft. I don’t know if you’re 20% or more, or less. It looks different on different people. But soft is soft, nonetheless.

The reason I think you’re getting all the hate is because there’s a discrepancy between how you look and how people want to look themselves. You said yourself:

Well if it has nothing to do with getting above 12 percent bf, why haven’t you gone below 18 since Saddam Husein’s death? It doesn’t make sense.

Years ago, everyone thought you just got real big for a couple of years IN ORDER TO LEAN DOWN. Even for a show, there were echoes. You called yourself a bodybuilder. But we’re talking decades here! You’ve started in late high school and now you’re in your mid-late thirties.

People who would be receiving advice are looking for an end result. And if this is your end result, then it’s definitely not something that >95% of folks here are looking to admire or emulate. Plain and simple. What else do you expect posting pics of lean bodybuilders on steroids and giving advice from a place of authority, while looking like a powerlifter for a decade?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cliff Notes …Majin is wrong to think I simply avoided losing body fat at all for over a decade.

My very first picture I posted on this site was after dieting for “damage control” and that alone was over a decade ago. I have heard that I am too fat to even discuss losing body fat at all…which is absolutely ridiculous. I have dieted many times in my life, I just never cared about being super lean like a competing bodybuilder and usually used that as “damage control” when gaining…

It is simply not an issue to me or to most of the people on this site or this planet. Most of the people here aren’t looking to stand on stage…and seriously, if you think looking like I do or did even in that pic came from being lazy, I don’t know what to tell you.[/quote]

Dude, that 2001 picture is very small, you’re all clothed on it and it’s 12 YEARS OLD! Since then, according to your own pics, you stayed at +/- 20% bf for over a decade. Give or take. Yes, it IS an issue for most people here and most people on the planet who want to lift weights for aesthetic purposes.

Very few care to be as peeled as a contest bodybuilder. But they do care to get to a point where they have a hard body, lean waist and muscle group separation. Lines. And in all this time, there’s been no evidence of that from you. Your amount of muscle is not enough to excuse bragging about it while looking soft. Sorry to tell you. Lose the fat so everyone is able to see what you’ve truly built.

That pic on the last page ain’t bad at all. But if that’s as lean as you’re planning to get, don’t be surprised that nobody’s impressed when you talk of how much muscle you’ve got.

One, that’s because they disagree with you mostly on eating, not training. Two. Your picture doesn’t stand out next to the pics of guys like Stu etc in the amount of muscle you carry. Everyone is looking for that extra benefit that you gained from all that dedicated time of bulking, but are failing to find any.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cliff Notes …Majin is wrong to think I simply avoided losing body fat at all for over a decade.

My very first picture I posted on this site was after dieting for “damage control” and that alone was over a decade ago. I have heard that I am too fat to even discuss losing body fat at all…which is absolutely ridiculous. I have dieted many times in my life, I just never cared about being super lean like a competing bodybuilder and usually used that as “damage control” when gaining…

It is simply not an issue to me or to most of the people on this site or this planet. Most of the people here aren’t looking to stand on stage…and seriously, if you think looking like I do or did even in that pic came from being lazy, I don’t know what to tell you.

I just know I don’t see too many people here carrying more size than that who disagree with everything I write in regards to training.

Oh, and kids…posts like this:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
X, how do you know when an upcoming month is going to be one in which you gain 1 or 5 pounds so you can adjust the diet accordingly? What indicators do you use, and how much do you up the cals according to how much you’re gonna gain? [/quote]

Are ludicrous…because anyone acting like they can tell how much they are going to gain in muscle in the future isn’t discussing biology.

A person’s biology is not something controlled by the individual on a conscious level. You can not predict gains in the future.

What you can do is make sure that when your body is ready to supercompensate the most, it has what it needs to build as much as it can.

You cover that by actually monitoring an actual controlled weight gain and your progress. Don’t believe the hype, kids.

Your body is not a calculator. It is a variable.[/quote]

Stuffing your face may gain you more muscle during those growth spurts you speak of, but you’ll also gain fat outside of them spurts.
You gonna need to lose that fat if you want to look good in the beach, which will cause some of the muscle gained during the growth spurts to be lost.

Wouldn’t it make sense to grow at a more steady pace, and be able to keep the muscle mass you gained without having to shave off a ton of lard every decade or so?

You’re goddamned right the body is a variable, that’s why slow and steady win the race.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cliff Notes …Majin is wrong to think I simply avoided losing body fat at all for over a decade.

My very first picture I posted on this site was after dieting for “damage control” and that alone was over a decade ago. I have heard that I am too fat to even discuss losing body fat at all…which is absolutely ridiculous. I have dieted many times in my life, I just never cared about being super lean like a competing bodybuilder and usually used that as “damage control” when gaining…

It is simply not an issue to me or to most of the people on this site or this planet. Most of the people here aren’t looking to stand on stage…and seriously, if you think looking like I do or did even in that pic came from being lazy, I don’t know what to tell you.

I just know I don’t see too many people here carrying more size than that who disagree with everything I write in regards to training.

Oh, and kids…posts like this:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
X, how do you know when an upcoming month is going to be one in which you gain 1 or 5 pounds so you can adjust the diet accordingly? What indicators do you use, and how much do you up the cals according to how much you’re gonna gain? [/quote]

Are ludicrous…because anyone acting like they can tell how much they are going to gain in muscle in the future isn’t discussing biology.

A person’s biology is not something controlled by the individual on a conscious level. You can not predict gains in the future.

What you can do is make sure that when your body is ready to supercompensate the most, it has what it needs to build as much as it can.

You cover that by actually monitoring an actual controlled weight gain and your progress. Don’t believe the hype, kids.

Your body is not a calculator. It is a variable.[/quote]

Stuffing your face may gain you more muscle during those growth spurts you speak of, but you’ll also gain fat outside of them spurts.
You gonna need to lose that fat if you want to look good in the beach, which will cause some of the muscle gained during the growth spurts to be lost.

Wouldn’t it make sense to grow at a more steady pace, and be able to keep the muscle mass you gained without having to shave off a ton of lard every decade or so?

You’re goddamned right the body is a variable, that’s why slow and steady win the race.

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X, I know you said you switched over to more liberal use of machines, especially Hammer Strength machines, after you reached a strength level in the big lifts like bench press and squat. At what point did you realize your strength levels in those lifts were posing physical risk to you and decide that machines are a better option?

What base strength levels do you think beginners should reach before they go on a full split and add in more isolation and machine exercises? Shelby Starnes once posted on Facebook that beginners should reach a 2 x bodyweight squat and deadlift and a 1.5 x BW bench press before they start on a full blown split with isolation exercises. What do you think?

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Prof X, are you still weighing 150lbs?

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Wow…this is what some of you choose to complain about?

That I am not lean enough for your liking? Why would that matter to me at all? I am not telling anyone to carry as much fat as I do or as I have so what is the point with that?

Do some of you think Bauber sees zero benefit from gaining like he is? He himself said it helped with his strength…which will help with muscle gains.

[quote]but you’ll also gain fat outside of them spurts.
You gonna need to lose that fat if you want to look good in the beach, [/quote]

Wow…really? You mean I will have to lose the fat…like I did in three months? If You personally want to get leaner, do so. I personally am ok with how I looked in that last pic shown and will no doubt eventually go for more…but not at the expense of all muscle gains.

I also know that the human body does not gain muscle LIBERALLY…meaning it will not passively gain muscle to an extreme degree for no reason unless all other needs are met first and there is a surplus of nutrients…which means the guy only concerned with his body fat may be letting some of those muscle gains go by being so restrictive their body will not supercompensate optimally.

Who really cares if you stayed leaner than everyone else if you gained less muscle? If you don’t mind then fine…but don’t act like I was working on gaining for no reason. I was over 245lbs in that picture.

It takes years to gain that much muscle and MONTHS to diet it off.

Holy crap. I am not at my end result. No real meat head is EVER at their end result.

If you are in your 20’s and think you have reached an “end result” what the fuck do you think will keep you lifting for years after that?

Wait…so because I worked on gaining more muscle over the years which required gaining more weight you fault me for it? Even though very few of you here are carrying more muscle than that?

How does that make sense?

Who ever said I am at my end result?

I spent the last 3 years rehabbing and recovering from a major motorcycle accident, managed to hold onto most of that muscle and am working for more now that I am healed.

Sorry if you or anyone else thought it was an “end result”.

People who stop gaining and tell everyone that no one gains significant muscle after 5 years are the ones who reach an ‘end result’ and stop making significant progress.

I am not some competing bodybuilder and last I checked, there aren’t that many coaches even on this site carrying more muscle than me or who walk around in constant “sub-10% condition”.

So what is the issue? That I allowed myself to gain more body fat because I know my metabolism and easily lose it? That I used that to gain more strength and more size?

What is the issue here?

It worked, didn’t it?

And rest assured, no one is telling anyone here to get over 20% body fat and I do not have a goal of being 20% body fat. I have stayed the leanest while gaining these last three years…and from the comments I get in the gym lately, I am moving in the right direction.

Sorry if some of you disagree. Focus on me less. I have myself covered.

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Prof X,

I noticed you missed my question above, so I included a picture with this post like you seem to do in your posts.

Do you still weigh 150 lbs?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Wow…this is what some of you choose to complain about?

That I am not lean enough for your liking? Why would that matter to me at all? I am not telling anyone to carry as much fat as I do or as I have so what is the point with that?

Do some of you think Bauber sees zero benefit from gaining like he is? He himself said it helped with his strength…which will help with muscle gains.

[quote]but you’ll also gain fat outside of them spurts.
You gonna need to lose that fat if you want to look good in the beach, [/quote]

Wow…really? You mean I will have to lose the fat…like I did in three months? If You personally want to get leaner, do so. I personally am ok with how I looked in that last pic shown and will no doubt eventually go for more…but not at the expense of all muscle gains.

I also know that the human body does not gain muscle LIBERALLY…meaning it will not passively gain muscle to an extreme degree for no reason unless all other needs are met first and there is a surplus of nutrients…which means the guy only concerned with his body fat may be letting some of those muscle gains go by being so restrictive their body will not supercompensate optimally.

Who really cares if you stayed leaner than everyone else if you gained less muscle? If you don’t mind then fine…but don’t act like I was working on gaining for no reason. I was over 245lbs in that picture.

It takes years to gain that much muscle and MONTHS to diet it off.

Holy crap. I am not at my end result. No real meat head is EVER at their end result.

If you are in your 20’s and think you have reached an “end result” what the fuck do you think will keep you lifting for years after that?

Wait…so because I worked on gaining more muscle over the years which required gaining more weight you fault me for it? Even though very few of you here are carrying more muscle than that?

How does that make sense?

Who ever said I am at my end result?

I spent the last 3 years rehabbing and recovering from a major motorcycle accident, managed to hold onto most of that muscle and am working for more now that I am healed.

Sorry if you or anyone else thought it was an “end result”.

People who stop gaining and tell everyone that no one gains significant muscle after 5 years are the ones who reach an ‘end result’ and stop making significant progress.

I am not some competing bodybuilder and last I checked, there aren’t that many coaches even on this site carrying more muscle than me or who walk around in constant “sub-10% condition”.

So what is the issue? That I allowed myself to gain more body fat because I know my metabolism and easily lose it? That I used that to gain more strength and more size?

What is the issue here?

It worked, didn’t it?

And rest assured, no one is telling anyone here to get over 20% body fat and I do not have a goal of being 20% body fat. I have stayed the leanest while gaining these last three years…and from the comments I get in the gym lately, I am moving in the right direction.

Sorry if some of you disagree. Focus on me less. I have myself covered.[/quote]
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Overall, I think this thread did well.

It seems that some have issues with an approach that has an attempt at making SURE that the body had what it needed to grow as much as it needed to.

I had controlled periods of weight gain early on that were way more drastic than what I do now because I gain less muscle with that approach now.

The goal with that was to be absolutely sure there were enough nutrients so when my body was ready to supercompensate the most, it had what it needed to do so. If you consume too many calories that are not used for muscle growth, the rest is added to stored body fat…so you monitor and control any fat gain.

Is that approach the best way to stay leaner? Of course not. Guys like Bauber accept that and focus on gaining the most muscle possible in that time frame with a goal of dropping excess body fat at a later time. NO ONE SHOULD BE TRYING TO GET OVER 20% BODY FAT, Gaining fat is not the goal. Becoming obese is not the goal. Gaining as much muscle as possible is the goal.

How you do that is more personal preference than anything and depends on your personal genetics.

If you have difficulty with your metabolism, then obviously you should hold tighter control.

I am not sure why on a forum like this the idea of providing all that is needed for optimal supercompensation is being attacked.

That only makes sense if the guys doing it aren’t gaining the muscle to justify it.

Either way, we know that this isn’t about whether 6 meals is better than 3. It is about the lifestyle that even allows you to get really big.

It was simply a discussion about some of that with focus on false bro science being spread to the super fat-phobic average gym crowd.

Apologies to all who think I am sooooooo fat I can’t even discuss dieting at all.

I hope my chronic and massive obesity problem does not interfere with the flowing of the Bro-science waterfall. Flow on, Bro Scientists…flow on…

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The problem with you talking about dieting is you have never done a diet and gotten to a bf level that is even semi respectable so why would anyone want to listen to your advice or thoughts on it?

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
The problem with you talking about dieting is you have never done a diet and gotten to a bf level that is even semi respectable so why would anyone want to listen to your advice or thoughts on it?[/quote]

IMO, if someone who has lost some weight, as PX clearly has in the past, can discuss dieting and dropping body fat then I see no reason why any one who has put on some muscle can’t discuss building to more extreme levels as well. Of course providing actual information and specifics goes a long way with me, whether I agree with them or not, but I can’t speak for everyone.

It’s the same thing, right?

S

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It’s the same thing every time.

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X, how many calories over maintenance should one go over to be ready for those supercompensatory times, like a general ballpark figure?

You’re well versed on this stuff, and very experienced. With the knowledge and experience, what can you give as a ballpark figure for how much muscle someone can gain naturally?

When you have cut down, how did you do it? Like, say you take your baseline diet, which I assume is relatively high calorie. What do you do with that diet initially to start moving in the direction of losing weight? How much cardio do you start off with? Have you experimented with a ketogenic diet, carb rotation, or do you just do a flat caloric deficit and see where things go?

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Jeez that’s a disgusting picture thank god I’m done eating for the day

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Question:

If you wanted to gain 15 pounds of muscle, and you had two options, which would you choose.

A) You would gain 40 pounds in a year, 15 lbs of muscle but 25 pounds fat/glycogen/water that you would have to lose doing this the traditional bulking way. This would be a little more than 3 pounds a month.

or

B) 15 pounds over 2 years with a 5 pound gain of fat doing it the “lean bulk way”??

This would be advice for a beginner. Someone who has been training for at least 6 months, just completed starting strength or a similar basic program and ready to try to gain maximum muscle.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
The problem with you talking about dieting is you have never done a diet and gotten to a bf level that is even semi respectable so why would anyone want to listen to your advice or thoughts on it?[/quote]

IMO, if someone who has lost some weight, as PX clearly has in the past, can discuss dieting and dropping body fat then I see no reason why any one who has put on some muscle can’t discuss building to more extreme levels as well. Of course providing actual information and specifics goes a long way with me, whether I agree with them or not, but I can’t speak for everyone.

It’s the same thing, right?

S

[/quote]

Boom!

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Both of the pics Brick attached on this page are hilarious.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Overall, I think this thread did well.

It seems that some have issues with an approach that has an attempt at making SURE that the body had what it needed to grow as much as it needed to.

I had controlled periods of weight gain early on that were way more drastic than what I do now because I gain less muscle with that approach now.

The goal with that was to be absolutely sure there were enough nutrients so when my body was ready to supercompensate the most, it had what it needed to do so. If you consume too many calories that are not used for muscle growth, the rest is added to stored body fat…so you monitor and control any fat gain.

Is that approach the best way to stay leaner? Of course not. Guys like Bauber accept that and focus on gaining the most muscle possible in that time frame with a goal of dropping excess body fat at a later time. NO ONE SHOULD BE TRYING TO GET OVER 20% BODY FAT, Gaining fat is not the goal. Becoming obese is not the goal. Gaining as much muscle as possible is the goal.

How you do that is more personal preference than anything and depends on your personal genetics.

If you have difficulty with your metabolism, then obviously you should hold tighter control.

I am not sure why on a forum like this the idea of providing all that is needed for optimal supercompensation is being attacked.

That only makes sense if the guys doing it aren’t gaining the muscle to justify it.

Either way, we know that this isn’t about whether 6 meals is better than 3. It is about the lifestyle that even allows you to get really big.

It was simply a discussion about some of that with focus on false bro science being spread to the super fat-phobic average gym crowd.

Apologies to all who think I am sooooooo fat I can’t even discuss dieting at all.

I hope my chronic and massive obesity problem does not interfere with the flowing of the Bro-science waterfall. Flow on, Bro Scientists…flow on…

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i have no problem with you discussing diet, none at all.

but when you state that people must build a good of muscle before being considered an authority on building muscle… but then YOU who has never posted a picture near 12% bodyfat whine when people point out your lack of experience in proper dieting.

now so you dont try and dodge what im saying… YOUR damage control and weight loss experience carry’s no weight when talking about bodybuilding. anyone can drop a few pounds and get from 20+ percent body fat to 17-18%, but going from 20%-10% is completely different.

so its very hypercritical that you tell smaller people they cant give advice on building muscle… then complain when people do the same to you in regards to dieting and being lean.