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[quote]Majin wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
We discussed this topic in this thread…about how I believe you can “force” more growth in the earlier years of lifting in the 18-25 year age range due to faster recovery of tendons and the adaptive ability of the body to recovery and training…and even metabolism.

Posters like Majin have taken this and turned it into “stuffing your face” and adding fat nonstop.[/quote]

Can you blame me after you specifically quoted several paragraphs precisely about face-stuffing and called it genius?
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Quoting paragraphs of a discussion with Dave Tate and writing, “The man’s a genius” means you now attach any statement made by him to me as if I said it?

Uh…ok.

What exactly are you so angry about?

…and what exactly are you even disagreeing with?

The “you said he’s a genius so that means you stuff faces” routine isn’t going to get you too far…

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[quote]Majin wrote:
First off, this scenario is only plausible if the person in question has no clue about bodybuilding nutrition and are skinny-fat. Because if someone’s training hard, getting enough protein and carbs every day, while not doing much other physical stuff, and is eating to the most of their appetite, then they almost certainly don’t need extra calories to grow. It’s either their training, sleep schedule, lifestyle…etc.[/quote]

Wait…could you explain why this means they don’t ever need more calories to grow?

Eating to the most of your appetite does not ensure you are eating enough to grow…because many people don’t have big appetites.

What about growth spurts and how does that affect this?

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[quote]zraw wrote:
My guess is, most of the people here would rather have a stage ready look goal than to look like that white dude [/quote]

Really?

Most of the people here (considering the thousands logging in) are doubtfully anywhere near either goal and would see him as a large upgrade…yet you really think no one would ever have that as a goal even if that was just a short term goal on the way to something more?

Why are you so sure of this?

My guess is, most of the people logging in would be doing better if they just looked like a regular gym goer.

Do you think this forum is filled with guys like Bauber or yourself?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:
My guess is, most of the people here would rather have a stage ready look goal than to look like that white dude [/quote]

Really?

Most of the people here (considering the thousands logging in) are doubtfully anywhere near either goal and would see him as a large upgrade…yet you really think no one would ever have that as a goal even if that was just a short term goal on the way to something more?

Why are you so sure of this?

My guess is, most of the people logging in would be doing better if they just looked like a regular gym goer.

Do you think this forum is filled with guys like Bauber or yourself?[/quote]

Most of us have EXTREME muscular development goals. That ridiculously strong dude posted doesn’t have a great physique at all.

question mark stock image is on point btw

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Eating to the most of your appetite does not ensure you are eating enough to grow…because many people don’t have big appetites.
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^^^

Do people really not understand this??

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
Most of us have EXTREME muscular development goals. That ridiculously strong dude posted doesn’t have a great physique at all.

question mark stock image is on point btw[/quote]

If your goal is to carry more muscle than that without relying on steroids alone for most of it, it is pretty likely you will have to look something like that even if your goal is to eventually get leaner or bigger.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Quoting paragraphs of a discussion with Dave Tate and writing, “The man’s a genius” means you now attach any statement made by him to me as if I said it?[/quote]

I never said “any statement”. That’s your imagination. You quoted a specific part of the article about face-stuffing and approved of that specific part. Not the whole article. But the specific part about unbridled junk food shoveling. There was no ambiguity. And now you’re denying it. That’s called lying. How about manning up and standing by your position, whatever it is?

Only after you point out where exactly I said “ever”. Strawmanning now…geez.

I don’t know what specifically you mean by a big or small appetite. If you’re eating bodybuilding style, it doesn’t require THAT much calories to grow. I’ve never seen a guy who’s got all his shit dialed in, and then it turned out that he was wrong by a 1000 calories. That’s just not something that happens. Almost all the time it’s either they have no clue about what and how much they should be eating, or aren’t consistent with how much they’re getting from day to day. I.E. They don’t measure their intake. But it’s not the lack of appetite to the point where they can’t get a gram per pound of lbm of protein, some fat and several hundred grams of carbs. I’ll believe it when I see it.

You start training and eating bb-friendly food. You burn more energy. Appetite goes up. You gain some muscle, readjust your amount of food upward based on the new weight and continue adjusting slightly based on how the body responds. That’s all.

I’m assuming you mean hormonal growth spurts in young men. I don’t believe that eating more than slightly above maintenance will have any additional benefit as far as muscle growth is concerned. If there’s any proof for that, I haven’t seen or read it.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Majin wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Another of Matt Reynolds.

Gee, my guess is there are a lot of people who wouldn’t mind looking like that if he is exactly “10%” or not.

Some of us want to look more powerful than cute.[/quote]

Gee, maybe some of us should stop posting images of lean bodybuilders and start using ones of powerlifters at 20% bf from now on. Seems like that would be more honest, don’t you think?[/quote]

Are you saying you think no one here would like to look like Matt?[/quote]

I am saying it would be much more honest of you to not incessantly post images of lean bodybuilders, considering your history and methods. Never having been lean yourself, you have no business giving advice to those who want to be (most people here). If that’s your ideal, - powerlifter @ 20% bf - then why not stick to those types of physiques in the pics you post, so that people know who they’re getting that information from? It’s only the honest thing to do.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:
My guess is, most of the people here would rather have a stage ready look goal than to look like that white dude [/quote]

Really?

Most of the people here (considering the thousands logging in) are doubtfully anywhere near either goal and would see him as a large upgrade…yet you really think no one would ever have that as a goal even if that was just a short term goal on the way to something more?[/quote]

He didn’t say “no one”, he said most people here. And I agree. The image and video of the guy you posted does not look like an inspiration to at least >95% of people here. Now, maybe there are better pics or videos of him with less fat. But the ones you posted aren’t it.

And your assertion that you have to look like that to get the most muscular growth as a natural is speculation. I don’t remember FattyFat getting any EXTREME development after losing the blubber. Maybe you can prove all that wrong when you lean out. Or, should I say IF you ever lean out?

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[quote]Majin wrote:

I don’t know what specifically you mean by a big or small appetite. If you’re eating bodybuilding style, it doesn’t require THAT much calories to grow.[/quote]

This is simply untrue. Yes, there are people who need over 4,000cals a day just to grow. This depends on activity level, age, training and many other variables. What is “bodybuilding style”?

Part of someone getting their shit dialed in is finding out how many calories it takes to grow…so yes, there are people who are off by 1,000cals until they get it right.

Gee, I lived it. Other people in this thread have said the same.

This isn’t all. I had a very poor appetite growing up. It took forcing those meals down initially in order to put on more weight. You really think this doesn’t happen?

That isn’t what I mean. Your gains ion muscle mass come in spurts and lulls. You do NOT just gain some constant amount of muscle at all times. What do you do if your body is ready to grow more but you are feeding it less?

Please stop telling me what I have done in my life. I am not over 20% body fat right now and spent many years dieting and gaining in the military. I simply haven’t pushed in a long time to get to 10%. That’s all. This idea that all I did was gain fat for years is ridiculous and untrue.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
That isn’t what I mean. Your gains ion muscle mass come in spurts and lulls. You do NOT just gain some constant amount of muscle at all times. What do you do if your body is ready to grow more but you are feeding it less?[/quote]

I’m having trouble understanding this.

You’ve talked a lot about needing to force down food because the appetite was low – I can relate to that.

But what do you do if your body is ready to grow more but you’re [still] not feeding it enough?

If you’re at that point of forcing down food because of low appetite, your hunger signals clearly aren’t working correctly.

So how do you know when you’ve had enough, and how do you know when you’ve had too much?

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Max Charles.

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Dude has some fucking delts on him[/quote]
Delts for daaaaaaaaaaays

Definitely a good look[/quote]

Do you think it’s possible to get that look naturally?[/quote]

Of course, but only if you are force feeding yourself 8 times a day

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
That isn’t what I mean. Your gains ion muscle mass come in spurts and lulls. You do NOT just gain some constant amount of muscle at all times. What do you do if your body is ready to grow more but you are feeding it less?[/quote]

I’m having trouble understanding this.

You’ve talked a lot about needing to force down food because the appetite was low – I can relate to that.

But what do you do if your body is ready to grow more but you’re [still] not feeding it enough?

If you’re at that point of forcing down food because of low appetite, your hunger signals clearly aren’t working correctly.

So how do you know when you’ve had enough, and how do you know when you’ve had too much?[/quote]

You won’t know that until you look at the progress being made.

Let me put it like this…a serious weight trainer in their first few years may see true growth in terms of “1lbs in September”, “no perceived gain in October”, “2lbs in November”. The idea used to be that you understood this about the human body so you made sure that you were eating enough to grow as much as the body was able to when it was ready to do so.

You do that by monitoring your progress, not by assuming that you can only gain “x amount” in a month so you only eat what the calculator told you.

Someone doing that can potentially hold back long term progress because when their body is ready to grow that “2lbs of muscle”, they were only feeding it enough to grow “1lbs” because they fear any and all fat gain.

The alternate concept is you cut back if you gain too much body fat and THAT is how you monitor your growth along with gains in strength and how you look…because your body will not gain muscle optimally unless every other need is met calorically first.

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For some reason…I just don’t think someone who only gains fat for years look like this.
[photo]38710[/photo]

But hey, I guess other people know better than me what it took to build myself up.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
For some reason…I just don’t think someone who only gains fat for years look like this.
[photo]38710[/photo]

But hey, I guess other people know better than me what it took to build myself up.[/quote]
No one has said you ONLY gained fat for years.

Don’t you mean LOOKED like that? That photo is almost 3 years old isn’t it?

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[quote]gregron wrote:
No one has said you ONLY gained fat for years.[/quote]

What thread are you reading?

[quote]Majin wrote:
. Nobody argues against that. While PX piled on the fat from high school to middle age without stopping.[/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
No one has said you ONLY gained fat for years.[/quote]

What thread are you reading?

[quote]Majin wrote:
. Nobody argues against that. While PX piled on the fat from high school to middle age without stopping.[/quote][/quote]

That isn’t saying ONLY fat. That just says gaining fat for a long period of time. Not that any other tissue was not gained in the process. Good way to try and twist things though

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
No one has said you ONLY gained fat for years.[/quote]

What thread are you reading?

[quote]Majin wrote:
. Nobody argues against that. While PX piled on the fat from high school to middle age without stopping.[/quote][/quote]

That isn’t saying ONLY fat. That just says gaining fat for a long period of time. Not that any other tissue was not gained in the process. Good way to try and twist things though [/quote]
Exactly.

You have not gained ONLY fat but you have put on a lot of fat with the considerable amount of muscle that you’ve built.

Any response to the first part of my post? Care to put up the same shot but a version taken this week?

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
No one has said you ONLY gained fat for years.[/quote]

What thread are you reading?

[quote]Majin wrote:
. Nobody argues against that. While PX piled on the fat from high school to middle age without stopping.[/quote][/quote]

That isn’t saying ONLY fat. That just says gaining fat for a long period of time. Not that any other tissue was not gained in the process. Good way to try and twist things though [/quote]
Exactly.

You have not gained ONLY fat but you have put on a lot of fat with the considerable amount of muscle that you’ve built.

Any response to the first part of my post? Care to put up the same shot but a version taken this week?[/quote]

I’d wager he won’t. He knows he doesn’t look anywhere near as lean as that anymore. Saddest part is, he looked pretty good in that photo.

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[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
No one has said you ONLY gained fat for years.[/quote]

What thread are you reading?

[quote]Majin wrote:
. Nobody argues against that. While PX piled on the fat from high school to middle age without stopping.[/quote][/quote]

That isn’t saying ONLY fat. That just says gaining fat for a long period of time. Not that any other tissue was not gained in the process. Good way to try and twist things though [/quote]
Exactly.

You have not gained ONLY fat but you have put on a lot of fat with the considerable amount of muscle that you’ve built.

Any response to the first part of my post? Care to put up the same shot but a version taken this week?[/quote]

I’d wager he won’t. He knows he doesn’t look anywhere near as lean as that anymore. Saddest part is, he looked pretty good in that photo.
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He did look pretty good there. If he smartly dropped 20 pounds or so from there he would have looked pretty sick.

Either way, everyone’s physique goes through “phases” where you are leaner or softer depending on any number of factors. I just asked for a current photo because posting a the a 3 year old picture of yourself in order to represent your physique when that isn’t how you currently look is a bit disingenuous to say the least.

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X, how do you know when an upcoming month is going to be one in which you gain 1 or 5 pounds so you can adjust the diet accordingly? What indicators do you use, and how much do you up the cals according to how much you’re gonna gain?

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Cliff Notes …Majin is wrong to think I simply avoided losing body fat at all for over a decade.

My very first picture I posted on this site was after dieting for “damage control” and that alone was over a decade ago. I have heard that I am too fat to even discuss losing body fat at all…which is absolutely ridiculous. I have dieted many times in my life, I just never cared about being super lean like a competing bodybuilder and usually used that as “damage control” when gaining…

It is simply not an issue to me or to most of the people on this site or this planet. Most of the people here aren’t looking to stand on stage…and seriously, if you think looking like I do or did even in that pic came from being lazy, I don’t know what to tell you.

I just know I don’t see too many people here carrying more size than that who disagree with everything I write in regards to training.

Oh, and kids…posts like this:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
X, how do you know when an upcoming month is going to be one in which you gain 1 or 5 pounds so you can adjust the diet accordingly? What indicators do you use, and how much do you up the cals according to how much you’re gonna gain? [/quote]

Are ludicrous…because anyone acting like they can tell how much they are going to gain in muscle in the future isn’t discussing biology.

A person’s biology is not something controlled by the individual on a conscious level. You can not predict gains in the future.

What you can do is make sure that when your body is ready to supercompensate the most, it has what it needs to build as much as it can.

You cover that by actually monitoring an actual controlled weight gain and your progress. Don’t believe the hype, kids.

Your body is not a calculator. It is a variable.