Damn straight. 
[quote]JFG wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
habits and getting in the meals don’t change from either approach. [/quote]
I would consider that to be incorrect. I would put money on the guy who makes his eating a regular activity will see more long term progress and less lay offs from random life events than someone who “eats whenever they feel like it”…at least as it concerns the beginner.
If you disagree, fine.
Prove me wrong by getting really big yet “eating whenever you feel like it” long term.
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If your plan is to hit 6 good meals, or hit your macros, but you go to bed without doing that, then that is inconsistency and lack of a making it a habit. You’re capslocksing things that aren’t being argued.
If someone doesn’t follow their diet consistently, then yes that’s an issue. Great illuminating point, thanks guru.[/quote]
Hey, once again, if you see no value here, excuse yourself. I’m not calling myself a “guru”.
I’m calling myself someone who got really big in spite of not having bodybuilding as my main priority in life…and just discussing how you do that.
Take it or leave it.
Apparently…you have much trouble just leaving it.[/quote]
I have trouble leaving it? I’m putting my viewpoint out there.
You may think you’re a big anonymous tough guy, but you’re not. If you want to have a discussion, then respond to my posts made and DO NOT quote stuff I’ve never said. You’ve done this before. I don’t care if you lie about yourself, but do not lie about me.
If, like you believe, we’re haters and want to knock you down a peg at any chance we get, we would. It would take only minutes to bomb your dental practice with negative reviews online, but we have integrity and would never do that, right? Please, have some integrity and don’t post libel related to me again.[/quote]
Does anyone even know if X is actually a dentist, or owns his own practice? I find it hard to believe that someone with that level of insecurities, issues and free time could actually be successful in the real world.[/quote]
Yes, and you have no place talking about something you know nothing about. We are talking food, personal attack are on par with hitting below the belt, not allowed anywhere.[/quote]
He didn’t say he knows of anything. He asked if X is actually a dentist and stated he he finds it hard to believe he is one considering his behavior.
With the dentist stuff…I would understand if it’s on topic. But it isn’t anyone’s expertise to judge the personal characteristics required to be one, or how that correlates with behavior on a message board. It’s a job, not a personality type. There are tons of “eccentric” and all kinds of kooky professionals at any level.
And I know that I’ll probably get the “well, he did it first” or “it’s 4 fun, lol”. But there’s some vitriol that’s getting in the way of being on point.
Stay classy, T-Nation. 
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I’d like to add that Bauber has actually competed before,
S[/quote]
Please explain what this has to do with anything outside of specifically talking about contest prep?
Most of the people here are not trying to compete. They are looking to gain muscle and get lean or whatever to varying degrees.
What Majin wrote was correct, Bauber gets NONE of the criticism that I have gotten when leaner than him.
It simply means none of that criticism was legit since you can’t remain constant. Quite the character flaw…blatant hypocrisy.
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when someones a dick to people for long enough then they will start pointing out there flaws…simple.
i think we all know bauber is carrying a good amount of fat. but bauber is also humble, polite and generally helpful. he also doesnt bring himself up as an example constantly in arguments then bitch if someone dares critique him.
i seriously encourage you to go to another serious weightlifting website and post the way you do here. id give it 3-5 days and you will have either been laughed off or banned. its only tnation that seems to just accept your arrogance, disrespect-fullness and undeserved sense of superiority. [/quote]
Yeah, this would be bullshit. I honestly don’t care if you or anyone else doesn’t like me.
What perplexes me is the effort you all put into shouting me down.
If I was really typing such useless words on the screen, you wouldn’t have to tell people not to listen to me. They simply wouldn’t listen to me.
It comes across like jealousy and butthurt…because you won’t see me spending my time worrying about what you type.
This thread was meant to help people…and judging by the responses, it did that to some degree.
If you or anyone else is trying to stop things like that, check yourself.
Posts like your own are what we need less of here.
I’m here to discuss how to get muscular with people with that same goal.
I couldn’t care less if you personally don’t like me. Put me on ignore and save the rest of us the whining.[/quote]
how many times has it actually been fucking stated that anywhere between 3-6 meals a day works fine, the difference is only personal preference.
no one cares if you think the person eating more frequent will see better progress! you cant judge someones dedication by simply how much they eat.
[quote]JFG wrote:
What is the title again? And your third or fourth post mentioned something about 6 meals a day when young to get big.[/quote]
First, the MODs changed the thread title…so criticizing me because of the thread title makes absolutely no sense.
Second, I brought up six meals a day because it literally was the staple in bodybuilding for decades. It makes perfect sense to discuss it in relation to what we know today.
Bodybuilding has throughout the years been AHEAD of some medical science when it comes to nutrition. The gyms were where the real world testing was going on…and that is why it grew throughout the training world.
The idea was to keep the body in an anabolic state throughout the day to facilitate even more growth from muscle tissue.
[quote]Read upon Dave Tate’s diet BEFORE his article here on how he lost that weight.
Also, PL’ers of the '90 were notorious for eating everything and anything.
Public domain, look it up.[/quote]
I’m not sure what your point here is. Please clarify.
I wasn’t aware I had to be Anthony Robbins to discuss this topic.
Nor was I aware that because Anthony Roberts exists there is no need for me to use my own brain and knowledge when it comes to real evidence.
I am not trying to be “Anthony Roberts”. I’m just discussing something I am passionate about enough to do daily.
[quote]Someone also mentioned about how old this lots of eating a day is. Well, it is not.
50’, 60’ and 70’s were all about 3 meals a day. Steve Reeve’s diet was three meal a day with breakfast being a shake with protein of his own design (again, public domain, look it up).
Weider in the '80 started the more meals a day (actually it was still three meals a day, but supplements two to three times a day with Weider products to get huge.) It would have been better if you did your research instead of relying only on your personal experience.
Does that mean nobody did it before the 80’s? Not a clue. Don’t know everyone that got big back then.[/quote]
Do you understand the before the 80’s you could not just go to a store and get a protein drink?
Any that did exist tasted like regurgitated fecal matter rolled in onions.
That was WHY you saw people back then eating like the rest of the populace. The 80’s was when the real growth began in the gyms and the mainstream.
That is why it helps to understand the history here to some degree.
When you see pictures of Arnold drinking a protein shake, it was usually some shit he mixed together himself or that Weider had JUST come out with.
Supplementation changed the entire game and protein shakes didn’t stop tasting like chalk until the 90’s.
Well, I do care that people are running around telling others that eating several times a day puts you at risk of diabetes even if you train regularly when that data does not exist.
That is why I am discussing it.
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
no one cares if you think the person eating more frequent will see better progress!
[/quote]
I seriously doubt you speak for all people here…and the issue is not whether 3 meals is better than 6. It may help to actually pay attention to what was written here seeing as this has been made clear several times already.
It was more geared at those who think they can fast all day and see the same results long term as those who make eating a more frequent occurrence…or those who think they will see maximal results long term by “eating whenever the feel like” with no regard for a regular schedule.
This was just a discussion about what it takes to see that type of muscle growth long term and not just when you are in school.
Insulin is now the “in” thing to fear…and that same insulin helped build a shit load of muscle throughout the years.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
If you have the dedication, you too can be a beefcake.
6+meal a day no matter what!
Beefcakes get their meals in despite of obesity, family deaths/births or even a world food shortage.[/quote]
Look at that pec delt tie in![/quote]
LOL
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
no one cares if you think the person eating more frequent will see better progress!
[/quote]
I seriously doubt you speak for all people here…and the issue is not whether 3 meals is better than 6. It may help to actually pay attention to what was written here seeing as this has been made clear several times already.
It was more geared at those who think they can fast all day and see the same results long term as those who make eating a more frequent occurrence…or those who think they will see maximal results long term by “eating whenever the feel like” with no regard for a regular schedule.
This was just a discussion about what it takes to see that type of muscle growth long term and not just when you are in school.
Insulin is now the “in” thing to fear…and that same insulin helped build a shit load of muscle throughout the years.[/quote]
I dunno. I see great gains eating whenever I feel like it as well as (pulse) fasting quite frequently.
[quote]howie424 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
no one cares if you think the person eating more frequent will see better progress!
[/quote]
I seriously doubt you speak for all people here…and the issue is not whether 3 meals is better than 6. It may help to actually pay attention to what was written here seeing as this has been made clear several times already.
It was more geared at those who think they can fast all day and see the same results long term as those who make eating a more frequent occurrence…or those who think they will see maximal results long term by “eating whenever the feel like” with no regard for a regular schedule.
This was just a discussion about what it takes to see that type of muscle growth long term and not just when you are in school.
Insulin is now the “in” thing to fear…and that same insulin helped build a shit load of muscle throughout the years.[/quote]
I dunno. I see great gains eating whenever I feel like it as well as fasting quite frequently.
[/quote]
This is much less about whether you made gains at all and way more about what builds the biggest muscles long term.
For some reason, I guess it is taboo to discuss what actually leads you to 19" arms or bigger if you have the genetics for it.
How much size have you gained fasting frequently and eating whenever you feel like?
Interesting finding:
[quote]Smoking cannabis could reduce the risk of diabetes by controlling blood sugar
Marijuana users had 16% lower fasting insulin levels than non-users
They were also less likely to be insulin resistant and had smaller waists
Previous research has found cannabis smokers are less likely to be obese
[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]howie424 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
no one cares if you think the person eating more frequent will see better progress!
[/quote]
I seriously doubt you speak for all people here…and the issue is not whether 3 meals is better than 6. It may help to actually pay attention to what was written here seeing as this has been made clear several times already.
It was more geared at those who think they can fast all day and see the same results long term as those who make eating a more frequent occurrence…or those who think they will see maximal results long term by “eating whenever the feel like” with no regard for a regular schedule.
This was just a discussion about what it takes to see that type of muscle growth long term and not just when you are in school.
Insulin is now the “in” thing to fear…and that same insulin helped build a shit load of muscle throughout the years.[/quote]
I dunno. I see great gains eating whenever I feel like it as well as fasting quite frequently.
[/quote]
This is much less about whether you made gains at all and way more about what builds the biggest muscles long term. If you would like a before picture to compare to the video I can surely provide one.
For some reason, I guess it is taboo to discuss what actually leads you to 19" arms or bigger if you have the genetics for it.
How much size have you gained fasting frequently and eating whenever you feel like?[/quote]
I will refer you to my log and you can see for yourself. I weighed about 190 a year ago, I weighed 239 this morning.
[quote]howie424 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]howie424 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
no one cares if you think the person eating more frequent will see better progress!
[/quote]
I seriously doubt you speak for all people here…and the issue is not whether 3 meals is better than 6. It may help to actually pay attention to what was written here seeing as this has been made clear several times already.
It was more geared at those who think they can fast all day and see the same results long term as those who make eating a more frequent occurrence…or those who think they will see maximal results long term by “eating whenever the feel like” with no regard for a regular schedule.
This was just a discussion about what it takes to see that type of muscle growth long term and not just when you are in school.
Insulin is now the “in” thing to fear…and that same insulin helped build a shit load of muscle throughout the years.[/quote]
I dunno. I see great gains eating whenever I feel like it as well as fasting quite frequently.
[/quote]
This is much less about whether you made gains at all and way more about what builds the biggest muscles long term.
For some reason, I guess it is taboo to discuss what actually leads you to 19" arms or bigger if you have the genetics for it.
How much size have you gained fasting frequently and eating whenever you feel like?[/quote]
I will refer you to my log and you can see for yourself.
I actually already looked it up and I think your progress is great.
I also think you are not the size I am referring to.
Once again, no one here is degrading your progress.
This about how you reach more extreme levels of size over the long term. Keep up the good progress.
Also, a “pulse fast” is not true fasting.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]howie424 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]howie424 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
no one cares if you think the person eating more frequent will see better progress!
[/quote]
I seriously doubt you speak for all people here…and the issue is not whether 3 meals is better than 6. It may help to actually pay attention to what was written here seeing as this has been made clear several times already.
It was more geared at those who think they can fast all day and see the same results long term as those who make eating a more frequent occurrence…or those who think they will see maximal results long term by “eating whenever the feel like” with no regard for a regular schedule.
This was just a discussion about what it takes to see that type of muscle growth long term and not just when you are in school.
Insulin is now the “in” thing to fear…and that same insulin helped build a shit load of muscle throughout the years.[/quote]
I dunno. I see great gains eating whenever I feel like it as well as fasting quite frequently.
[/quote]
This is much less about whether you made gains at all and way more about what builds the biggest muscles long term.
For some reason, I guess it is taboo to discuss what actually leads you to 19" arms or bigger if you have the genetics for it.
How much size have you gained fasting frequently and eating whenever you feel like?[/quote]
I will refer you to my log and you can see for yourself.
I actually already looked it up and I think your progress is great.
I also think you are not the size I am referring to.
Once again, no one here is degrading your progress.
This about how you reach more extreme levels of size over the long term. Keep up the good progress.
Also, a “pulse fast” is not true fasting. [/quote]
Thank you for the kind words, always appreciated.
What type of size are you referring to? I plan on getting to about 250 and lean with my current methods. Not a matter of if, but when.
Also, I agree that pulse fasting/feasting is not true fasting. I guess personally I don’t see any reason to TRUE FAST with a product like MAG-10 around. \
I realize I am late to the party. I read the first bit but got bored with all the nonsensical crap that this board has become.
[quote]howie424 wrote:
Thank you for the kind words, always appreciated.
What type of size are you referring to? I plan on getting to about 250 and lean with my current methods. Not a matter of if, but when.
[/quote]
That is all well and good and I hope you get there.
I already mentioned the level I am referring to. Most people with muscular arms over 18-19" didn’t build most of that mass fasting most of the day.
Is it beyond the realm of possibility that insulin surges throughout the day could actually help build more muscle long term?
I used MAG-10 to lean up and think it is great for recomp. I would not recommend a “MAG-10 fast” like I did to someone who was just starting or even most intermediates if they have more extreme goals.
Once again, this is not about whether it builds muscle but what route helps builds the MOST muscle long term and possibly why.
Keep up the good work.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]howie424 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]howie424 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
no one cares if you think the person eating more frequent will see better progress!
[/quote]
I seriously doubt you speak for all people here…and the issue is not whether 3 meals is better than 6. It may help to actually pay attention to what was written here seeing as this has been made clear several times already.
It was more geared at those who think they can fast all day and see the same results long term as those who make eating a more frequent occurrence…or those who think they will see maximal results long term by “eating whenever the feel like” with no regard for a regular schedule.
This was just a discussion about what it takes to see that type of muscle growth long term and not just when you are in school.
Insulin is now the “in” thing to fear…and that same insulin helped build a shit load of muscle throughout the years.[/quote]
I dunno. I see great gains eating whenever I feel like it as well as fasting quite frequently.
[/quote]
This is much less about whether you made gains at all and way more about what builds the biggest muscles long term.
For some reason, I guess it is taboo to discuss what actually leads you to 19" arms or bigger if you have the genetics for it.
How much size have you gained fasting frequently and eating whenever you feel like?[/quote]
I will refer you to my log and you can see for yourself.
I actually already looked it up and I think your progress is great.
I also think you are not the size I am referring to.
Once again, no one here is degrading your progress.
This about how you reach more extreme levels of size over the long term. Keep up the good progress.
Also, a “pulse fast” is not true fasting. [/quote]
this is the bigger stronger leaner forum, why must everything be about extreme size? because for 98% of this forum im pretty sure extreme (ifbb pro) size is not their goal.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]howie424 wrote:
Thank you for the kind words, always appreciated.
What type of size are you referring to? I plan on getting to about 250 and lean with my current methods. Not a matter of if, but when.
[/quote]
That is all well and good and I hope you get there.
I already mentioned the level I am referring to. Most people with muscular arms over 18-19" didn’t build most of that mass fasting most of the day.
Is it beyond the realm of possibility that insulin surges throughout the day could actually help build more muscle long term?
I used MAG-10 to lean up and think it is great for recomp. I would not recommend a “MAG-10 fast” like I did to someone who was just starting or even most intermediates if they have more extreme goals.
Once again, this is not about whether it builds muscle but what route helps builds the MOST muscle long term and possibly why.
Keep up the good work.[/quote]
Again, thanks for the kind words. I take kind words personally.
But I do think that extreme goals can be reached pulse fasting throughout the day, not just recomp goals. PERSONALLY I don’t think it’s about how many meals you eat but how much and what you eat. I can put down A LOT of food in 2-3 meals, plus MAG-10/almonds throughout the day. I’ll never eat six meals a day again. Hell, sometimes I feel like a pig eating twice a day.
Then again, what is an extreme goal? I think my goal is extreme, lol. You don’t see a lot of guys 250 and lean. Way above average.
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
this is the bigger stronger leaner forum, why must everything be about extreme size? because for 98% of this forum im pretty sure extreme (ifbb pro) size is not their goal.
[/quote]
No offense, but where would we discuss extreme size if not here?
No one mentioned any IFBB pros.
Also, even if 98% of the people here were after only one goal, then let this thread be for that other 2%.
Why would you be against me discussing this?
[quote]howie424 wrote:
But I do think that extreme goals can be reached pulse fasting throughout the day, not just recomp goals. PERSONALLY I don’t think it’s about how many meals you eat but how much and what you eat. I can put down A LOT of food in 2-3 meals, plus MAG-10/almonds throughout the day. [/quote]
First, the way you eat is by no means against what I am discussing here. You have already seen me write that this is NOT about 3 meals vs 6 meals.
You are basically eating all day long…so why do you think I am telling people something different?
Drinking protein all day is by no means missing meals.
Yea I am a little lost too as to what an “extreme” goal is. What is the objective measurement to extreme?
[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:
Yea I am a little lost too as to what an “extreme” goal is. What is the objective measurement to extreme?[/quote]
I would consider muscular arms over 18-19" “extreme development”. No one is saying someone smaller couldn’t appear “extreme”.
I would consider a chest well over 50" extreme development.
I would consider off season quads over 29" “extreme development”.
These are just to give ideas of what I am discussing.