The Rule: 6 Meals/Day

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]howie424 wrote:

But I do think that extreme goals can be reached pulse fasting throughout the day, not just recomp goals. PERSONALLY I don’t think it’s about how many meals you eat but how much and what you eat. I can put down A LOT of food in 2-3 meals, plus MAG-10/almonds throughout the day. [/quote]

First, the way you eat is by no means against what I am discussing here. You have already seen me write that this is NOT about 3 meals vs 6 meals.

You are basically eating all day long…so why do you think I am telling people something different?

Drinking protein all day is by no means missing meals.[/quote]

Easy big guy.

What exactly is this about then?

[quote]howie424 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]howie424 wrote:

But I do think that extreme goals can be reached pulse fasting throughout the day, not just recomp goals. PERSONALLY I don’t think it’s about how many meals you eat but how much and what you eat. I can put down A LOT of food in 2-3 meals, plus MAG-10/almonds throughout the day. [/quote]

First, the way you eat is by no means against what I am discussing here. You have already seen me write that this is NOT about 3 meals vs 6 meals.

You are basically eating all day long…so why do you think I am telling people something different?

Drinking protein all day is by no means missing meals.[/quote]

Easy big guy.

What exactly is this about then?[/quote]

Maybe read above?

How do I need to write this for you to understand I am discussing the role of insulin in building extreme levels of muscle mass?

[quote]howie424 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]howie424 wrote:

But I do think that extreme goals can be reached pulse fasting throughout the day, not just recomp goals. PERSONALLY I don’t think it’s about how many meals you eat but how much and what you eat. I can put down A LOT of food in 2-3 meals, plus MAG-10/almonds throughout the day. [/quote]

First, the way you eat is by no means against what I am discussing here. You have already seen me write that this is NOT about 3 meals vs 6 meals.

You are basically eating all day long…so why do you think I am telling people something different?

Drinking protein all day is by no means missing meals.[/quote]

Easy big guy.

What exactly is this about then?[/quote]

this i honestly dont know what you are trying to even discuss, if you agree that there is no difference between 3 and 6 meals a day. why are we still debating?

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]howie424 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]howie424 wrote:

But I do think that extreme goals can be reached pulse fasting throughout the day, not just recomp goals. PERSONALLY I don’t think it’s about how many meals you eat but how much and what you eat. I can put down A LOT of food in 2-3 meals, plus MAG-10/almonds throughout the day. [/quote]

First, the way you eat is by no means against what I am discussing here. You have already seen me write that this is NOT about 3 meals vs 6 meals.

You are basically eating all day long…so why do you think I am telling people something different?

Drinking protein all day is by no means missing meals.[/quote]

Easy big guy.

What exactly is this about then?[/quote]

Maybe read above?

How do I need to write this for you to understand I am discussing the role of insulin in building extreme levels of muscle mass?[/quote]

Please don’t talk to me as if I am stupid. I am no doctor, but let’s face it, neither are you.

Quite frankly I don’t think anybody is discussing anything with you. I am honestly confused as to why this thread was even started, or why it’s still going on.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]howie424 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]howie424 wrote:

But I do think that extreme goals can be reached pulse fasting throughout the day, not just recomp goals. PERSONALLY I don’t think it’s about how many meals you eat but how much and what you eat. I can put down A LOT of food in 2-3 meals, plus MAG-10/almonds throughout the day. [/quote]

First, the way you eat is by no means against what I am discussing here. You have already seen me write that this is NOT about 3 meals vs 6 meals.

You are basically eating all day long…so why do you think I am telling people something different?

Drinking protein all day is by no means missing meals.[/quote]

Easy big guy.

What exactly is this about then?[/quote]

Maybe read above?

How do I need to write this for you to understand I am discussing the role of insulin in building extreme levels of muscle mass?[/quote]

lol the effect that meal frequency has on insulin is negligible.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]howie424 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]howie424 wrote:

But I do think that extreme goals can be reached pulse fasting throughout the day, not just recomp goals. PERSONALLY I don’t think it’s about how many meals you eat but how much and what you eat. I can put down A LOT of food in 2-3 meals, plus MAG-10/almonds throughout the day. [/quote]

First, the way you eat is by no means against what I am discussing here. You have already seen me write that this is NOT about 3 meals vs 6 meals.

You are basically eating all day long…so why do you think I am telling people something different?

Drinking protein all day is by no means missing meals.[/quote]

Easy big guy.

What exactly is this about then?[/quote]

Maybe read above?

How do I need to write this for you to understand I am discussing the role of insulin in building extreme levels of muscle mass?[/quote]

lol the effect that meal frequency has on insulin is negligible.

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]howie424 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]howie424 wrote:

But I do think that extreme goals can be reached pulse fasting throughout the day, not just recomp goals. PERSONALLY I don’t think it’s about how many meals you eat but how much and what you eat. I can put down A LOT of food in 2-3 meals, plus MAG-10/almonds throughout the day. [/quote]

First, the way you eat is by no means against what I am discussing here. You have already seen me write that this is NOT about 3 meals vs 6 meals.

You are basically eating all day long…so why do you think I am telling people something different?

Drinking protein all day is by no means missing meals.[/quote]

Easy big guy.

What exactly is this about then?[/quote]

Maybe read above?

How do I need to write this for you to understand I am discussing the role of insulin in building extreme levels of muscle mass?[/quote]

lol the effect that meal frequency has on insulin is negligible. [/quote]

Do you remember the study posted saying otherwise?

Oh…maybe you missed that one while complaining about the thread serving no purpose.

To you and anyone else with the same gripe…if you see no value in this thread don’t post in it.

Stuffing your face all day leads to 20" blubber flaps and no more muscle built than a guy simply making sure to eat above maintenance and adding as needed. There’s no scientific OR in the trenches counter to that. Because you would need a control group, and there just ain’t none. For all we know, the “real big” guy would have gained the same amount of muscle without pigging out on 4 McD’s sandwiches at a time (which you so praised and which took a big pain in the ass to lose later).

It’s like your every damn thread is a backhanded way of justifying you staying 70’s big for a decade. Just get lean and then take everyone down with your RESULTS. Instead of postulating on shit that’s purely in the speculation realm.

28 inch ties!

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]howie424 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]howie424 wrote:

But I do think that extreme goals can be reached pulse fasting throughout the day, not just recomp goals. PERSONALLY I don’t think it’s about how many meals you eat but how much and what you eat. I can put down A LOT of food in 2-3 meals, plus MAG-10/almonds throughout the day. [/quote]

First, the way you eat is by no means against what I am discussing here. You have already seen me write that this is NOT about 3 meals vs 6 meals.

You are basically eating all day long…so why do you think I am telling people something different?

Drinking protein all day is by no means missing meals.[/quote]

Easy big guy.

What exactly is this about then?[/quote]

Maybe read above?

How do I need to write this for you to understand I am discussing the role of insulin in building extreme levels of muscle mass?[/quote]

lol the effect that meal frequency has on insulin is negligible. [/quote]

Do you remember the study posted saying otherwise?

Oh…maybe you missed that one while complaining about the thread serving no purpose.

To you and anyone else with the same gripe…if you see no value in this thread don’t post in it.

[/quote]

okay then could you please re-post the study showing a Significant difference between 3 and 6 meals a day for increasing muscle mass.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:
Yea I am a little lost too as to what an “extreme” goal is. What is the objective measurement to extreme?[/quote]

I would consider muscular arms over 18-19" “extreme development”. No one is saying someone smaller couldn’t appear “extreme”.

I would consider a chest well over 50" extreme development.

I would consider off season quads over 29" “extreme development”.

These are just to give ideas of what I am discussing.[/quote]

I find it amusing that all of the criteria listed for having “extreme development” are X’s self-proclaimed measurements. Before, it was arms “over 20 inches”. Now, it’s “over 18-19 inches”. Before, it was quads “around 30 inches”. Now, it’s “off season quads over 29 inches”. He literally just sets the bar at wherever he happens to be just so he can label himself as “extremely developed”.

If X leaned out and his arms dropped to 18 inches, you can bet your ass he would be saying, “I would consider leaner arms over 17-18 inches extreme”. It’s whatever places him above others. For the record, I eat whenever I feel like it. In the past two years, I have gone from 180 to 243. I dropped a bit the last few months to harden up. The lowest I dropped to was 230. I’m gaining weight slowly again. Granted, I drink milk often, so that apparently counts as meals now. Guess I didn’t get the memo.

[quote]Majin wrote:
Stuffing your face all day leads to 20" blubber flaps and no more muscle built than a guy simply making sure to eat above maintenance and adding as needed. There’s no scientific OR in the trenches counter to that. Because you would need a control group, and there just ain’t none. For all we know, the “real big” guy would have gained the same amount of muscle without pigging out on 4 McD’s sandwiches at a time (which you so praised and which took a big pain in the ass to lose later).

It’s like your every damn thread is a backhanded way of justifying you staying 70’s big for a decade. Just get lean and then take everyone down with your RESULTS. Instead of postulating on shit that’s purely in the speculation realm.[/quote]

What is strange is that even if I avoid using myself as any example, you will still try to focus the discussion on me and your perception of my results.

This whole paragraph is full of nonsense. I don’t even eat at Mc Donald’s so any idea that I told you or anyone else to eat four sandwiches is actually pretty hilarious.

If I do want a hamburger, it will probably be at Whataburger.

It’s a good thing no one wrote anything here about stuffing faces.

No one mentioned 20" “blubber flaps” either.

I mean, seriously, guy, do you think the insults make you look hard or something over the internet? This is making you appear badass?

I had 18" arms within the first three years of training. I had arms that size in that pic of me from 2001 kneeling in my parent’s backyard.

You aren’t making me feel bad about my progress. Your insults aren’t making me feel like I wasted my time in the gym.

Also, you won’t see me return the favor by insulting your progress.

Just let us all know what you consider “extreme development” in general measurements if you have so much of a problem with my own opinion.

??? He didn’t say YOU have 20 inch burger flaps, he said indiscriminate eating would lead to 20 inch burger flaps. This isn’t one of your “fans” from the peanut gallery.

Look, most people here accept that you look “jacked” (pro-size) from the front, sport less size but are decently built in the back for the most part (barring upper traps that are pro-size and non existent rear delts), BUT sport the leg size of someone who can barely squat three plates for reps AND (unfortunately) have the posterior chain strength of a frat boy who’s spent a year-ish in the gym - unless all thats changed in the three year since the video was made.

But then thats your goal isn’t it??? to look jacked in your “changing stations on the iPod pose” and fill out an XXL without being obese and little else?

I do agree that has little to do with your message here though. It will come up again and again however and there’s little you can do to quell it besides show that you are able to hold on to your size while dieting down. To be perfectly honest, that does not seem to be the case. Your “recomp” isn’t working, even from your trademark pics.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Majin wrote:
Stuffing your face all day leads to 20" blubber flaps and no more muscle built than a guy simply making sure to eat above maintenance and adding as needed. There’s no scientific OR in the trenches counter to that. Because you would need a control group, and there just ain’t none. For all we know, the “real big” guy would have gained the same amount of muscle without pigging out on 4 McD’s sandwiches at a time (which you so praised and which took a big pain in the ass to lose later).

It’s like your every damn thread is a backhanded way of justifying you staying 70’s big for a decade. Just get lean and then take everyone down with your RESULTS. Instead of postulating on shit that’s purely in the speculation realm.[/quote]

What is strange is that even if I avoid using myself as any example, you will still try to focus the discussion on me and your perception of my results.

This whole paragraph is full of nonsense. I don’t even eat at Mc Donald’s so any idea that I told you or anyone else to eat four sandwiches is actually pretty hilarious.

If I do want a hamburger, it will probably be at Whataburger.

It’s a good thing no one wrote anything here about stuffing faces.

No one mentioned 20" “blubber flaps” either.

I mean, seriously, guy, do you think the insults make you look hard or something over the internet? This is making you appear badass?

I had 18" arms within the first three years of training. I had arms that size in that pic of me from 2001 kneeling in my parent’s backyard.

You aren’t making me feel bad about my progress. Your insults aren’t making me feel like I wasted my time in the gym.

Also, you won’t see me return the favor by insulting your progress.

Just let us all know what you consider “extreme development” in general measurements if you have so much of a problem with my own opinion.[/quote]

[quote]jeremielemauvais wrote:

I do agree that has little to do with your message here though.

[/quote]

Then why are you discussing it?

Hey, maybe you can make another thread all about me…

Until then, stay on topic.

[quote]browndisaster wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:

habits and getting in the meals don’t change from either approach. [/quote]

I would consider that to be incorrect. I would put money on the guy who makes his eating a regular activity will see more long term progress and less lay offs from random life events than someone who “eats whenever they feel like it”…at least as it concerns the beginner.

If you disagree, fine.

Prove me wrong by getting really big yet “eating whenever you feel like it” long term.

[quote]
If your plan is to hit 6 good meals, or hit your macros, but you go to bed without doing that, then that is inconsistency and lack of a making it a habit. You’re capslocksing things that aren’t being argued.

If someone doesn’t follow their diet consistently, then yes that’s an issue. Great illuminating point, thanks guru.[/quote]

Hey, once again, if you see no value here, excuse yourself. I’m not calling myself a “guru”.

I’m calling myself someone who got really big in spite of not having bodybuilding as my main priority in life…and just discussing how you do that.

Take it or leave it.

Apparently…you have much trouble just leaving it.[/quote]
I have trouble leaving it? I’m putting my viewpoint out there.

You may think you’re a big anonymous tough guy, but you’re not. If you want to have a discussion, then respond to my posts made and DO NOT quote stuff I’ve never said. You’ve done this before. I don’t care if you lie about yourself, but do not lie about me.

If, like you believe, we’re haters and want to knock you down a peg at any chance we get, we would. It would take only minutes to bomb your dental practice with negative reviews online, but we have integrity and would never do that, right? Please, have some integrity and don’t post libel related to me again.[/quote]

Come on man, how would you even think of the idea of posting negative reviews of X’s dental practice? You take this site way too seriously if the idea of messing with someone’s real life would even cross your mind as a result of an argument over food

[quote]pwolves17 wrote:

Grow up man, how would you even think of the idea of posting negative reviews of X’s dental practice? You take this site way too seriously if the idea of messing with someone’s real life would even cross your mind as a result of an argument over food[/quote]

What people don’t get is some of these guys are actually taking it to this level.

You don’t see me running around insulting people for absolutely no reason on a personal level…yet that seems to be the ONLY reason some of these guys post here like browndisaster and prufrock.

It’s real harassment at that point…and this site shouldn’t tolerate it.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]pwolves17 wrote:

Grow up man, how would you even think of the idea of posting negative reviews of X’s dental practice? You take this site way too seriously if the idea of messing with someone’s real life would even cross your mind as a result of an argument over food[/quote]

What people don’t get is some of these guys are actually taking it to this level.

You don’t see me running around insulting people for absolutely no reason on a personal level…yet that seems to be the ONLY reason some of these guys post here like browndisaster and prufrock.

It’s real harassment at that point…and this site shouldn’t tolerate it.
[/quote]
none of the above is true. If it were, you could easily back it up.

My point of contention is you quoting things I didn’t say in an attempt to elevate your viewpoint over mine. If you do this in the future, I’ll report it to the mods, as this is truly a reality “the site shouldn’t tolerate.”

If you are really getting harassed in real life from posting here, stop being a pussy and get legal help. In the meantime, I don’t tolerate baseless accusations - so shut up or put up. Peace

[quote]browndisaster wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]pwolves17 wrote:

Grow up man, how would you even think of the idea of posting negative reviews of X’s dental practice? You take this site way too seriously if the idea of messing with someone’s real life would even cross your mind as a result of an argument over food[/quote]

What people don’t get is some of these guys are actually taking it to this level.

You don’t see me running around insulting people for absolutely no reason on a personal level…yet that seems to be the ONLY reason some of these guys post here like browndisaster and prufrock.

It’s real harassment at that point…and this site shouldn’t tolerate it.
[/quote]
none of the above is true. If it were, you could easily back it up.

My point of contention is you quoting things I didn’t say in an attempt to elevate your viewpoint over mine. If you do this in the future, I’ll report it to the mods, as this is truly a reality “the site shouldn’t tolerate.”

If you are really getting harassed in real life from posting here, stop being a pussy and get legal help. In the meantime, I don’t tolerate baseless accusations - so shut up or put up. Peace
[/quote]

No one made up anything quoted…and you are about as threatening as a chia pet. The tough talk some of you are trying to do looks cute on the internet.

Your previous post:

[quote]habits and getting in the meals don’t change from either approach. If your plan is to hit 6 good meals, or hit your macros, but you go to bed without doing that, then that is inconsistency and lack of a making it a habit. You’re capslocksing things that aren’t being argued.

If someone doesn’t follow their diet consistently, then yes that’s an issue. Great illuminating point, thanks guru.[/quote]

This was quoted word for word in my response to you…so what are you whining about now?

Oh, that’s right…nothing.

Question regarding the Insulin insensitivity topic:

TC chimed in early the thread (sort of a long time ago now) about his take on meal frequency how he correlates this to insulin insensitivity.

(link here: A New Way to Eat - Part 1 , 6 meals a day will ultimately muck up your insulin sensitivity, and that be bad news.)

Professor X stated that there have been no studies done that corroborate this stance. From searching myself I think that he is correct.

However, let me throw the question out there: Has anyone run into any studies on this topic?

Diabetes (type 2) does run in my family and as I am getting older I am interested in this topic. Not fearful as I am in good health but definitely would like to know if anyone has found any studies. Before TC posted I was eating fairly constantly throughout the day, due to the conventional wisdom of keeping my metabolism going. Since he posted I have, as an experiment, grouped my meals into 4 eating sessions, with no change to calories or macros. I feel no different with either eating method.

I did a search myself but could not find anything directly addressing the question. There were some proponents of TC’s idea in the IF camp (example: Meal Frequency ) and a few articles addressing insulin insensitivity on PubMed but nothing directly related.

I suppose the next thing for me to do to explore this topic is to run my meal timing experiment over a few weeks (each way) while taking daily blood glucose readings. I really don’t look forward to this so was hoping someone else out here has either done that already or has a link to some more related studies.

Cheers,
Cpt Needa