[quote]Professor X wrote:
Steroids increase protein anabolism and increase the loss of body fat. They do not change the … basic physiology. [/quote]
They actually increase the number of satellite cells of muscles… FOREVER. [/quote]
You are not going to get 28 inch thighs if you don’t have some naturally thick leg muscles to begin with no matter what you take.
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is this just a random ass fun fact?
how about this one: people like Dorian Yates would NEVER be as big they were without drugs. no matter how often they eat!
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
def: a chemical element or substance (as protein, carbohydrate, or fat) required in relatively large quantities for normal development of organisms.
Certainly not a fad word. [/quote]
a calorie is a unit of energy. a macro is a biomolecule these are obviously the same thing. /sarcasm
I mean in a thread that educates newbs we should say that some macros provide essential amino acids and some macros are just basically sugar. when it comes to muscle gaining we dont just say eat calories all day.
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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
def: a chemical element or substance (as protein, carbohydrate, or fat) required in relatively large quantities for normal development of organisms.
Certainly not a fad word. [/quote]
a calorie is a unit of energy. a macro is a biomolecule these are obviously the same thing. derp[/quote]
Macronutrients provide calories, but by definition they aren’t synonymous.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
def: a chemical element or substance (as protein, carbohydrate, or fat) required in relatively large quantities for normal development of organisms.
Certainly not a fad word. [/quote]
a calorie is a unit of energy. a macro is a biomolecule these are obviously the same thing. derp[/quote]
Macronutrients provide calories, but by definition they aren’t synonymous. [/quote]
yup
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
It would seem that the anabolic environment provided by assistance would not allow the eating habits to be compared to a lifter that was natural?
Do you disagree?[/quote]
I do. I don’t think steroids change physiology so much that food intake is drastically different from naturals. Sure it may make things somewhat different, but not so much that we should just ignore the dietary habits of all drug users.
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Don’t mean this in a ‘rude’ way or anything, but do you know anyone who uses? Especially something like Tren? It literally transforms people lol
Look at their diets, and realize while it’s not a 100% change, drugs do change things. It’s like tennis and badminton: very similar, but still 2 completely different games. [/quote]
Knowing someone who uses =/= a deep knowledge about steroids and how they work.
Too many people on these forums think they know a ton about steroids/their effects despite never actually using them.
Also the comment was in response to IFBB pro’s dietary habits being worthless. These guys are the best because they use drugs and they also have their diets nailed down (among other things). All I am saying is that drug use doesn’t render their dietary practices useless to natural trainees.
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Wrong you watch someone on tren eat like shit increase their calories and do less cardio and get shredded. Yep your right its not a big change. Please go do some learning before posting nonsense
To clarify I am talking normal dude who look dyel before tren and after look like Greek gods
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
An iFBB pros food intake is irrelevant to 99.9% of the weight training community. we are not stage ready 250lb beasts.[/quote]
Guess I better ignore all of Shelby Starnes’ and John Meadows’s nutritional advice.
Considering that IFBB pros and other top assisted competitors are the biggest and leanest people that lift weights, it seems reasonable to pay attention to how they eat.
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stupid arguement… Meadows and Starnes would not tell a natty to eat as much as they do.
look at the video i posted before, eric helms is NOT the biggest/leanest guy around… yet has a ton more nutritional knowledge than probably 95% of IFBB pros. hence why alot of IFBB pros have coaches. you would be suprised at how much dumb shit IFBB pros say.[/quote]
Starnes frequently does diets for natty Bbers and gets them absolutely shredded. I guess he’s doing it wrong? He doesn’t haven’t them following the diet he follows though, see the difference
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Steroids increase protein anabolism and increase the loss of body fat. They do not change the … basic physiology. [/quote]
They actually increase the number of satellite cells of muscles… FOREVER. [/quote]
You are not going to get 28 inch thighs if you don’t have some naturally thick leg muscles to begin with no matter what you take.
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is this just a random ass fun fact?
how about this one: people like Dorian Yates would NEVER be as big they were without drugs. no matter how often they eat![/quote]
There was an argument that we shouldn’t look at how IFBB (or whatever) pros eat because STEROIDS are changing the way their bodies work. Then the response was that many IFBB pros bodies “work differently” already because they have genetic predispositions. That there are guys who can eat shitty and stay lean and build muscle even without steroids and that pro bodybuilders will tend to be those guys already. In other words, most people, if they choose to take steroids should not radically change their eating methodology just because they start taking steroids, but rather they should eat in line with their genetic predispositions.
Also there is a guy with 20 1/2 inch thighs where I work who is always “carb cycling” and swears that he’d be a monster if he took 'roids.
I don’t know why this is such a sticking point. Do you guys forget what puberty was like? I don’t know about you, but I grew about 6" in a year and a half and went from baby fat to “skinny”. I was able to eat anything and everything at any point in the day and I wasn’t getting fat. I ate more than when I had baby fat, like 3-4 full plates of spaghetti type eating, and had no issues.
Steroids put you into a state similar to puberty, where your metabolism is raging, and your body is in growth mode. Except your growth is muscular only (mostly). Your metabolism rages, so the calories you would normally consume that would make you fat gets burned or used to build the muscle you tear down from exercise. You consume larger quantities of the same foods. Eating like shit is no different than eating like shit during puberty. You can handle a couple bacon doublecheeseburgers and keep your abs, but you can’t handle it every single day, day in and day out, 4 times a day. Whomever tells you that is lying to your face.
Tren is a very powerful compound. It is one of the most loved and hated in the supplemented community. It has powerful results and powerful sides. Tren sweats, tren cough, rage, among other things. Where do all of these sides come from? Your body being thrown into super, hyper growth mode and things get out of whack.
Shelby and John are respected for what they do, because they can get guys there without using all of the drugs/diuretics/etc. that other gurus will recommend. They take the “less is more” approach and believe more in the training and diet than in just “upping the dose.” The obsession with steroids - however powerful they may be - is kind of sad. You can still get fat on steroids, and you can still look like shit on steroids. Hell, you can even not gain a ton of muscle on steroids. Look at the guys in our very own steroid section if you doubt… are all of them shredded mass monsters? Its highly genetic, but eating big while on will give you more gains, just like eating more while lifting hard will give you better gains than if you ate like you weren’t training.
How did we get on the topic of steroids when it all started about frequency of meals and eating… not trying to emulate the pro’s 6-8lbs of meat a day and 8000 Calorie meal plans?
Note that I do not speak for either Shelby or John, nor am I affiliated with them or represent them and their thoughts/methodologies/perspective. This is all based on what I’ve learned and is not from the horses mouth so to speak.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
It would seem that the anabolic environment provided by assistance would not allow the eating habits to be compared to a lifter that was natural?
Do you disagree?[/quote]
I do. I don’t think steroids change physiology so much that food intake is drastically different from naturals. Sure it may make things somewhat different, but not so much that we should just ignore the dietary habits of all drug users.
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Don’t mean this in a ‘rude’ way or anything, but do you know anyone who uses? Especially something like Tren? It literally transforms people lol
Look at their diets, and realize while it’s not a 100% change, drugs do change things. It’s like tennis and badminton: very similar, but still 2 completely different games. [/quote]
Knowing someone who uses =/= a deep knowledge about steroids and how they work.
Too many people on these forums think they know a ton about steroids/their effects despite never actually using them.
Also the comment was in response to IFBB pro’s dietary habits being worthless. These guys are the best because they use drugs and they also have their diets nailed down (among other things). All I am saying is that drug use doesn’t render their dietary practices useless to natural trainees.
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Wrong you watch someone on tren eat like shit increase their calories and do less cardio and get shredded. Yep your right its not a big change. Please go do some learning before posting nonsense
To clarify I am talking normal dude who look dyel before tren and after look like Greek gods [/quote]
Apparently people cannot read. I never said that they don’t change physiology. What I said was that steroid use does not mean we should ignore how the pros eat.
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
An iFBB pros food intake is irrelevant to 99.9% of the weight training community. we are not stage ready 250lb beasts.[/quote]
Guess I better ignore all of Shelby Starnes’ and John Meadows’s nutritional advice.
Considering that IFBB pros and other top assisted competitors are the biggest and leanest people that lift weights, it seems reasonable to pay attention to how they eat.
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stupid arguement… Meadows and Starnes would not tell a natty to eat as much as they do.
look at the video i posted before, eric helms is NOT the biggest/leanest guy around… yet has a ton more nutritional knowledge than probably 95% of IFBB pros. hence why alot of IFBB pros have coaches. you would be suprised at how much dumb shit IFBB pros say.[/quote]
Are you deliberately acting like you have an IQ of 12, or are you really just that stupid? I NEVER said that nattys should eat the same as the pros, I simply said that drug use doesn’t mean that we should ignore how the pros eat.
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
An iFBB pros food intake is irrelevant to 99.9% of the weight training community. we are not stage ready 250lb beasts.[/quote]
Guess I better ignore all of Shelby Starnes’ and John Meadows’s nutritional advice.
Considering that IFBB pros and other top assisted competitors are the biggest and leanest people that lift weights, it seems reasonable to pay attention to how they eat.
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stupid arguement… Meadows and Starnes would not tell a natty to eat as much as they do.
look at the video i posted before, eric helms is NOT the biggest/leanest guy around… yet has a ton more nutritional knowledge than probably 95% of IFBB pros. hence why alot of IFBB pros have coaches. you would be suprised at how much dumb shit IFBB pros say.[/quote]
Are you deliberately acting like you have an IQ of 12, or are you really just that stupid? I NEVER said that nattys should eat the same as the pros, I simply said that drug use doesn’t mean that we should ignore how the pros eat.
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So we should not eat like the pros who are sauced to the gills…but we should take notes from their eating habits?
I am genuinely curious if people think the way conversations are being held here is conducive toward educating the other side, or if we all gave up and decided to be snarky just for the fun of it.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I am genuinely curious if people think the way conversations are being held here is conducive toward educating the other side, or if we all gave up and decided to be snarky just for the fun of it.[/quote]
I have nothing constructive to add but I literally lol’d
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
An iFBB pros food intake is irrelevant to 99.9% of the weight training community. we are not stage ready 250lb beasts.[/quote]
Guess I better ignore all of Shelby Starnes’ and John Meadows’s nutritional advice.
Considering that IFBB pros and other top assisted competitors are the biggest and leanest people that lift weights, it seems reasonable to pay attention to how they eat.
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stupid arguement… Meadows and Starnes would not tell a natty to eat as much as they do.
look at the video i posted before, eric helms is NOT the biggest/leanest guy around… yet has a ton more nutritional knowledge than probably 95% of IFBB pros. hence why alot of IFBB pros have coaches. you would be suprised at how much dumb shit IFBB pros say.[/quote]
Are you deliberately acting like you have an IQ of 12, or are you really just that stupid? I NEVER said that nattys should eat the same as the pros, I simply said that drug use doesn’t mean that we should ignore how the pros eat.
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So we should not eat like the pros who are sauced to the gills…but we should take notes from their eating habits?
Huh??
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They just use the creatinze and BCAA’s. I follow what they do. Why am I not as big?
[quote]CircaThursday wrote:
im glad you showed up anonym. do think 6 means a day is significantly more conducive to building muscle than 3 meals a day is?[/quote]
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I am genuinely curious if people think the way conversations are being held here is conducive toward educating the other side, or if we all gave up and decided to be snarky just for the fun of it.[/quote]
I respect professor X’s opinion. I may not agree with everything he says but so what. This thread has lots of good info.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I am genuinely curious if people think the way conversations are being held here is conducive toward educating the other side, or if we all gave up and decided to be snarky just for the fun of it.[/quote]
This is one of the oddest threads I have seen in the history of this site.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I am genuinely curious if people think the way conversations are being held here is conducive toward educating the other side, or if we all gave up and decided to be snarky just for the fun of it.[/quote]
This is one of the oddest threads I have seen in the history of this site. [/quote]
haha why exactly?