[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I am genuinely curious if people think the way conversations are being held here is conducive toward educating the other side, or if we all gave up and decided to be snarky just for the fun of it.[/quote]
This is one of the oddest threads I have seen in the history of this site. [/quote]
haha why exactly?[/quote]
I seriously can’t keep track of it and understand what is going on in here. Hence I wrote brief summaries of what I think everyone is talking about. The entire thesis of the thread should be summed up like this:
Eat enough protein and calories to get big.
Eat how many times you need to throughout the day to get this done depending on preference, lifestyle, hunger control, and caloric amount.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I am genuinely curious if people think the way conversations are being held here is conducive toward educating the other side, or if we all gave up and decided to be snarky just for the fun of it.[/quote]
This is one of the oddest threads I have seen in the history of this site. [/quote]
haha why exactly?[/quote]
I seriously can’t keep track of it and understand what is going on in here. Hence I wrote brief summaries of what I think everyone is talking about. The entire thesis of the thread should be summed up like this:
Eat enough protein and calories to get big.
Eat how many times you need to throughout the day to get this done depending on preference, lifestyle, hunger control, and caloric amount.
Anything else going on?[/quote]
you are a dietician who does not think protein is evil. I would take your advice over a lot of other peoples…
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I am genuinely curious if people think the way conversations are being held here is conducive toward educating the other side, or if we all gave up and decided to be snarky just for the fun of it.[/quote]
This is one of the oddest threads I have seen in the history of this site. [/quote]
haha why exactly?[/quote]
I seriously can’t keep track of it and understand what is going on in here. Hence I wrote brief summaries of what I think everyone is talking about. The entire thesis of the thread should be summed up like this:
Eat enough protein and calories to get big.
Eat how many times you need to throughout the day to get this done depending on preference, lifestyle, hunger control, and caloric amount.
Anything else going on?[/quote]
you are a dietician who does not think protein is evil. I would take your advice over a lot of other peoples…
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Thanks!
Many RD’s aren’t interested in sports and lifting. A few are, but most stay in healthcare and foodservice.
Macros is the new fad term for calories, carbs fats and protein. I am sure most here understand that making sure you eat enough calories is the goal.
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This has to be the funniest thing you’ve ever posted. Calories is not defined as macronutrients. Macronutrients contain calories! The macros are protein, fat, and carbs, NOT calories.
And this is a FAD word? It’s been around a lot longer than bodybuilding!
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lol i didn’t realize the proper name for something is now a fad word.
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
An iFBB pros food intake is irrelevant to 99.9% of the weight training community. we are not stage ready 250lb beasts.[/quote]
Guess I better ignore all of Shelby Starnes’ and John Meadows’s nutritional advice.
Considering that IFBB pros and other top assisted competitors are the biggest and leanest people that lift weights, it seems reasonable to pay attention to how they eat.
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stupid arguement… Meadows and Starnes would not tell a natty to eat as much as they do.
look at the video i posted before, eric helms is NOT the biggest/leanest guy around… yet has a ton more nutritional knowledge than probably 95% of IFBB pros. hence why alot of IFBB pros have coaches. you would be suprised at how much dumb shit IFBB pros say.[/quote]
Starnes frequently does diets for natty Bbers and gets them absolutely shredded. I guess he’s doing it wrong? He doesn’t haven’t them following the diet he follows though, see the difference [/quote]
where did i say otherwise?
i said AN IFBB pros intake is irrelevant to majority of us. having an IFBB pro (an actual knowledgable one) write you out a diet plan vs eating like an IFBB pro are two very different things.
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
An iFBB pros food intake is irrelevant to 99.9% of the weight training community. we are not stage ready 250lb beasts.[/quote]
Guess I better ignore all of Shelby Starnes’ and John Meadows’s nutritional advice.
Considering that IFBB pros and other top assisted competitors are the biggest and leanest people that lift weights, it seems reasonable to pay attention to how they eat.
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stupid arguement… Meadows and Starnes would not tell a natty to eat as much as they do.
look at the video i posted before, eric helms is NOT the biggest/leanest guy around… yet has a ton more nutritional knowledge than probably 95% of IFBB pros. hence why alot of IFBB pros have coaches. you would be suprised at how much dumb shit IFBB pros say.[/quote]
Are you deliberately acting like you have an IQ of 12, or are you really just that stupid? I NEVER said that nattys should eat the same as the pros, I simply said that drug use doesn’t mean that we should ignore how the pros eat.
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So we should not eat like the pros who are sauced to the gills…but we should take notes from their eating habits?
Been looking in on this thread a while. It was kind of funny but some of you are starting to get a little mean with each other. Lets take a timeout and discuss something else and settle down. Ok…3…2…1 BOOBIES! Discuss.
[quote]OldOgre wrote:
Been looking in on this thread a while. It was kind of funny but some of you are starting to get a little mean with each other. Lets take a timeout and discuss something else and settle down. Ok…3…2…1 BOOBIES! Discuss.[/quote]
this is one of the more tame threads on TNation. not too many personal attacks or malice.
but I won’t say this is not a clusterfuck or confusing lol.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I am genuinely curious if people think the way conversations are being held here is conducive toward educating the other side, or if we all gave up and decided to be snarky just for the fun of it.[/quote]
Bingo. You have people trying to act like they need to explain what a calorie is. I honestly think some are pissed the thread wasn’t trashed. I get the feeling many here would rather do that than discuss anything that could help someone.
Too much info here for them to act like the thread is useless…and if you are on this site acting like we don’t know what a calorie is or a macronutrient you are just being an ass for the sake of it.
This many pages of discussion where several false statements were ironed out is now trying to be trashed by the same people.
Let’s keep the thread on track…and if you don’t see value in the thread kindly stay out of it. We don’t need to hear how useless you think a thread viewed almost 20,000 times is.
[quote]OldOgre wrote:
Been looking in on this thread a while. It was kind of funny but some of you are starting to get a little mean with each other. Lets take a timeout and discuss something else and settle down. Ok…3…2…1 BOOBIES! Discuss.[/quote]
A nice squishy B cups is my preference… I do not like PEBs.
[quote]OldOgre wrote:
Been looking in on this thread a while. It was kind of funny but some of you are starting to get a little mean with each other. Lets take a timeout and discuss something else and settle down. Ok…3…2…1 BOOBIES! Discuss.[/quote]
A nice squishy B cups is my preference… I do not like PEBs.[/quote]
If she got hips and a onion booty, I might even be ok with a high A…
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
How did we get on the topic of steroids when it all started about frequency of meals and eating… not trying to emulate the pro’s 6-8lbs of meat a day and 8000 Calorie meal plans?[/quote]
Your guess is as good as mine…especially since most of the pictures chosen were not IFBB pros.
No, no one is saying to eat EXACTLY what someone who outweighs you by 200lbs of muscle is eating. I think we all understand steroids effect the results seen in a lifter. That doesn’t mean that you ignore how the guys who gained the most muscle approached their eating and training. That same stuff seems to work for quite a lot of people. I know it worked for me early on and that is one of the things we are discussing…what someone should do if their goal is beyond “tone and sculpt”.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
The obsession with steroids - however powerful they may be - is kind of sad. You can still get fat on steroids, and you can still look like shit on steroids. Hell, you can even not gain a ton of muscle on steroids. Look at the guys in our very own steroid section if you doubt… are all of them shredded mass monsters? Its highly genetic, but eating big while on will give you more gains, just like eating more while lifting hard will give you better gains than if you ate like you weren’t training.[/quote]
Great post. You have many who act as if steroid use is like having David Blaine over for a full cycle. Most of the people I ever knew who discussed their use of them were not that drastically impressive looking…just like most of the athletes being caught for steroid use don’t look anything like The Hulk.
If steroid use alone was all there was to it, there would be way more mass monsters on this website and in most gyms.
[quote]JBL5 wrote:
I understand that insulin being jacked up all the time is not ideal long term, but in my early twenties, I want to take advantage of growing easily while I am still young, and for me this requires way more food than I would ever say is comfortable.[/quote]
That is one of the reasons I stress utilizing those specific times in your life to work on that size if your goal is more extreme than “tone and sculpt”. Your body is still in a range for optimal growth in your 20’s. Much of the damage seen from eating certain foods will not be seen simply because of the age of the individual.
It is also the prime age range as far as tendon and joint recovery from the training that you do…which is ESSENTIAL when it comes to moving truly heavier weights than average that could lead to injuries the older you get and the slower you recover.
You seem to have a good understanding of this. The older you get, the harder it will be to recover from what you throw at it…so take advantage of those times to work on the most mass and strength.
Joint and tendon recovery affects muscle growth and recovery. One more reason you don’t expect the grow at the same rate in your late 30’s and 40’s. Take advantage of the time you have.
Eat how many times you need to throughout the day to get this done depending on preference, lifestyle, hunger control, and caloric amount.
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Bingo.
Won’t link to another site, but everyone in here should google “Q & A with IFBB Undercover Pro”. Pretty interesting, deals with this topic a bit. [/quote]
Thank you so much. This is an awesome read.
I think the biggest eye opener so far is where the pro puts steroids at #1 and training at #4 in terms of importance w/respect to top tier bodybuilding.
Won’t link to another site, but everyone in here should google “Q & A with IFBB Undercover Pro”. Pretty interesting, deals with this topic a bit. [/quote]
Thank you so much. This is an awesome read.
I think the biggest eye opener so far is where the pro puts steroids at #1 and training at #4 in terms of importance w/respect to top tier bodybuilding. [/quote]
Won’t link to another site, but everyone in here should google “Q & A with IFBB Undercover Pro”. Pretty interesting, deals with this topic a bit. [/quote]
Thank you so much. This is an awesome read.
I think the biggest eye opener so far is where the pro puts steroids at #1 and training at #4 in terms of importance w/respect to top tier bodybuilding. [/quote]
It’s a damn good thread.[/quote]
It really was fascinating. The truth is far more interesting than the illusion.
