Agreed. This is a bodybuilding forum. If the poster has no genetic inclination to build significant muscle at all, then they need to find a new hobby. Trying to force the rest of us who do have the goal of building muscle to accept people who make no progress makes no sense.
This is not a general fitness forum where we cheer on the simple act of going to a gym as if that is enough. If that is what Forlife wants he should pm TC and ask for a new forum added on.[/quote]
That’s the kind of people who start talking about hardgainers, or think about genetics as a limitation after setting the goal of getting 18" arms even before they try to train seriously.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This is a bodybuilding forum. When I speak, it is for those with the goal of gaining some serious fucking size. It is NOT for 40 year olds who just started lifting but think they will still gain 100lbs of lean body mass.
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I think every time one of these threads gets made, TribunalDudes “unified theory of bodybuilding success” from earlier in this thread should be the only response allowed before the thread is locked.
LOL man.
Fuckin Prof X eh
He doesn’t make ANY mistakes in his posts I swear. He knows exactly what he wants to say and he remembers what seems to be EVERYTHING he has said lol.
You just can’t fuck with him, you can’t cross him, and if you tell him “you said this” you better be 100% fuckin sure he said that…or he will call you out on making it up. Cause most likely you are jumping to conclusions to try to win the verbal battle you have bestowed upon yourself, when he definately knows what has said…and you are like a nervous secretary tryin to find the right papers for the boss scrambling to simply find anything to make the argument continue to justify to yourself that you are right.
This is particularly directed to anyone…it’s just something I have noticed lol.
Anyways…back to whatever you all were talkin about…
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
hawaiilifterMike wrote:
No, I am not kidding, how else can you gain / bulk quickly? And yes I do not look like I lift weights, like most of the people on this board (with a few exceptions).
Dude according to your numbers you have 148 lbs of LBM and 99 lbs of fat. [/quote]
Yeah, I am working on rectifying that. I now realize why I was/am so weak, I have no significant LBM to speak of. Most skinny 170 pound guys can out press me easily.
Well the right way to bulk i have figured out is to train 6 days a week if you dont eat enough your going to regret it !!
Modok i think has like 5-6 of us on it LOL
So anyone wanting to know how to bulk properly do the 6 day a week program i dare anyone undereat, you’ll figure out fast enough how to eat properly !
I admit i have only been in the gym 2 weeks and all my knowledge has come from Modok and Cephalic but thats the basic conclusion i have come to… train hard- beat you numbers from the last day, eat alot or god help you with the soreness and sleep alot or again your going to be saying ow alot
I really couldn’t see how anyone training the way i have been directed too could undereat aren’t those people SORE lol i wouldn’t even dare undereat.
[quote]forlife wrote:
People are ridiculed and told to fuck off because they haven’t met someone’s standard of having “enough size”. You started young, and it’s unrealistic to judge people by what you achieved, when they are starting at a later age. Obviously some people show no progress at all, but not everyone has to start in their 20s or achieve your size in order to be a “real bodybuilder”. [/quote]
Where the fuck have you seen me writing this? If I judged everyone by my size who would be able to post in this forum? Maybe 2 people? What the fuck are you talking about?
You’ve said the 20s are the window for putting on significant size, and that afterwards it is very difficult, if not impossible, to do it.
You’ve said, “This is a bodybuilding forum. When I speak, it is for those with the goal of gaining some serious fucking size. It is NOT for 40 year olds who just started lifting but think they will still gain 100lbs of lean body mass.”
So it seems you have defined this forum, and reserved the label “bodybuilder”, only for guys who start lifting in their 20s, and are capable of putting on serious fucking size. Guys that don’t get into lifting until later in life are SOL, and will never, according to you, be a “real bodybuilder”.
You’ve said the 20s are the window for putting on significant size, and that afterwards it is very difficult, if not impossible, to do it.
You’ve said, “This is a bodybuilding forum. When I speak, it is for those with the goal of gaining some serious fucking size. It is NOT for 40 year olds who just started lifting but think they will still gain 100lbs of lean body mass.”
So it seems you have defined this forum, and reserved the label “bodybuilder”, only for guys who start lifting in their 20s, and are capable of putting on serious fucking size. Guys that don’t get into lifting until later in life are SOL, and will never, according to you, be a “real bodybuilder”.
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Do you need Cliff Notes?
I was talking about BULKING UP and stated that there is no way someone can take advantage of their FULL POTENTIAL if they fuck around throughout their 20’s.
Are you disagreeing with this?
Again when I write it is not for people who fucked around throughout their entire lives for 40 years because this again goes back to BULKING UP.
Gee, do you remember when I wrote that someone shouldn’t bulk up much past the age of 30-35?
Do you not get how it all fits together now?
If I am talking about BULKING UP I am not NOT talking to SOMEONE IN THEIR FUCKING 40’S or later.
Someone in their FUCKING 40’S who is just getting started is not going to be able to take advantage of their full genetic potential.
It is like you are having a hard time keeping up with what is written.
None of that means that someone that just started gets run off the fucking forum so again what the hell are you talking about?
So guys who don’t start lifting until their fucking 40s and will never achieve their full potential, but are dedicated to building as much muscle as possible despite those limitations, still have a place in the forum and can still be called bodybuilders?
[quote]forlife wrote:
So guys who don’t start lifting until their fucking 40s and will never achieve their full potential, but are dedicated to building as much muscle as possible despite those limitations, still have a place in the forum and can still be called bodybuilders?
Cool, glad we cleared that up.[/quote]
You are arguing the use of the word “bodybuilder” now? isn’t that an entirely different topic than this one?
The title of this thread is “the right way to bulk” not “who gets to be called a bodybuilder”.
You seem really fucking lost so if you want to debate that other topic, start a new fucking thread about it.
No, everyone who lifts a weight does not exactly get called a “bodybuilder” if they make ZERO progress after years of lifting. If that offends you, I doubt many people care.
I’m pretty sure I said “dedicated to building as much muscle as possible despite those limitations”, not “makes ZERO progress after years of lifting”.
How about answering the question?
According to you, do guys that don’t start lifting until their fucking 40s and will never achieve their full potential, but are dedicated to building as much muscle as possible despite those limitations, still have a place in the forum and can they still be called bodybuilders?
[quote]forlife wrote:
I’m pretty sure I said “dedicated to building as much muscle as possible despite those limitations”, not “makes ZERO progress after years of lifting”.
How about answering the question?
According to you, do guys that don’t start lifting until their fucking 40s and will never achieve their full potential, but are dedicated to building as much muscle as possible despite those limitations, still have a place in the forum and can they still be called bodybuilders?[/quote]
If they look like they lift weights, why wouldn’t they be considered bodybuilders?
If you are asking if people that start lifting in their 40s, way past their prime, that don’t look like they lift weights at all, then no they would not be considered bodybuilders regardless of how hard they are trying.
[quote]forlife wrote:
I’m pretty sure I said “dedicated to building as much muscle as possible despite those limitations”, not “makes ZERO progress after years of lifting”.
How about answering the question?
According to you, do guys that don’t start lifting until their fucking 40s and will never achieve their full potential, but are dedicated to building as much muscle as possible despite those limitations, still have a place in the forum and can they still be called bodybuilders?[/quote]
If someone is truly dedicated to building as much muscle as possible, then it will be evident through their progress. Who, pray tell, do you see on these forums who IS making good progress but gets ridiculed anyway?
It doesn’t happen and I am again waiting on you to point this out. Why haven’t you?
This board has been filled with people who barely lift. Some of these people don’t even lift weights AT ALL.
Why do you think I keep asking for pictures?
In this very thread, an obese guy (who is NOW trying to lose some of it) with less than 150lbs of lean body mass is telling everyone to bulk up on daily fast food feedings. By your logic, we should accept this simply because he is “trying”.
No offense but how stupid do you think I or any of these other people are that we can’t tell the difference between someone truly working their ass off…and someone testing their fingers out on a keyboard with no progress to back it up?
Just out of curiosity forlife, how much do you weigh, and how long have you been training? If you are dedicated to building as much muscle as possible, that doesn’t rhyme very well with staying at 160 lbs (which is what I remember as your weight from another thread) for years.
I just think that sometimes people define “progress”, intentionally or not, according to what would be expected from a guy in his 20s rather than a guy in his 40s.
For example, I didn’t start lifting until 36. I’m nowhere near as big as you, and never will be. I wish I had seen the light in my 20s, but I didn’t.
Does that mean I’m not a “bodybuilder”? I work my ass off 5 days/week in the gym, and I’ve seen steady progress, but it has taken a lot longer than it would have if I’d started younger.
[quote]forlife wrote:
I just think that sometimes people define “progress”, intentionally or not, according to what would be expected from a guy in his 20s rather than a guy in his 40s.
For example, I didn’t start lifting until 36. I’m nowhere near as big as you, and never will be. I wish I had seen the light in my 20s, but I didn’t.
Does that mean I’m not a “bodybuilder”? I work my ass off 5 days/week in the gym, and I’ve seen steady progress, but it has taken a lot longer than it would have if I’d started younger.
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Why is it so important to you if you are considered a “bodybuilder?” I train with weights and try to get bigger and stronger. No-one asks me if I’m a bodybuilder, but they do ask if I work out. When they start asking if I’m a bodybuilder, maybe I’ll think of myself as one.
How did we get into this anyway, we were discussing blanket advice about bulking.
I was using myself as an example of a broader observation. Guys who start lifting later in life often get a bad rap in this forum. You may be working hard in the gym like everyone else, but unless you weigh X pounds, your opinions are dismissed, or you are told to fuck off and go to another forum because you’re not a real bodybuilder.
Well I don’t think your a bodybuilder. There’s nothing wrong with that.
Your just another guy who likes to lift weights and bust their ass.
I’m the same way…I’m in no way a bodybuilder…I’ve been doing bodybuilding type training lately, but that still doesn’t make me a bodybuilder. In reality, you technically have to compete in it to be called one I think. Other than that your just a guy who likes the sport of bodybuilding and are trying to achieve that type of look. Still not a bodybuilder though. Just like “powerlifters” who never compete aren’t really powerlifters…they just train the big 3.
