god damn tribunaldude you sure know a hell of alot, anychance you can help me?? ive started lifting about 5 months ago, anychance you can tell me how to become really big i mean i really want some serious muscle mass, like say vin deisel, will body supplements help at all? if so what should i use?
thx i appreciate it.
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
First of all “bulking up” is not a method or even a goal, for fuck’s sake. It is merely a consequence of eating a caloric surplus to gain bodyweight while (usually) lifting weights, thats all.
Secondly, MOST people reading this site have wretched potential, and should avoid the idea of “bulking up” altogether. You are most likely not prof X or someone who can someday step on stage carrying enough size and development - and if you WERE you would realize it in your first 1-2 years of training. Eat a slight surplus, track your weight change and add weight to the bar = gain muscle with some fat. Hold the size gained till you have some density and then lean out slowly = you can add 15-20 pounds of muscle to your frame. If you want to call that “bulking up” feel free to do that.
Thirdly, the fact is that most people who have added well over 55-60 pounds of lean mass after puberty allowed themselves to bulk up in the initial stages of their development - thats a far cry from saying that the best way for you to gain muscle is to bulk up since that assumes that you HAVE the potential to gain and keep significant size by allowing yourself to bulk up and then lean out.
In conclusion, allow yourself to “bulk up” ONLY if you know you are young enough
AND have the genetic inclination to hold on to size while dieting down
AND the frame to not look fat in everyday clothes after gaining 30-40 pounds of bodyweight (narrow clavicles and wide hips = a LOT of grief while you’re gaining bodyweight) unless you have the patience to build heavy deltoids over the next 10-12 years or so.
AND if you have the “add weight to the bar” mindset
AND if you have a clue how to make your muscles grow (understand movements within your first year or so of training).
if you satisfy most or all of these conditions, bulking up naturally is a possible solution to try and gain as much size as your body will allow you. [/quote]
Amazing. I never really post, but I had to drop in and say thank you for sharing your wisdom. I can’t believe how I over complicate lot of the bodybuilding concepts for myself. Your post definitely showed me the fallacy in my way of thinking. Thank you.
[quote]paulson wrote:
anychance you can tell me how to become really big i mean i really want some serious muscle mass, like say vin deisel
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classic
You missed the memo, I really am a skinny-fat 16-19 year old (don’t remember which) who never lifted a weight in my life, but merely had a series of epiphanies leading me to the truth.
[quote]Lusrelas wrote:
Amazing. I never really post, but I had to drop in and say thank you for sharing your wisdom. I can’t believe how I over complicate lot of the bodybuilding concepts for myself. Your post definitely showed me the fallacy in my way of thinking. Thank you. [/quote]
To properly bulk, visit and eat at fast food restaurants daily, it helped me get to 247lbs very quickly.
[quote]hawaiilifterMike wrote:
To properly bulk, visit and eat at fast food restaurants daily, it helped me get to 247lbs very quickly.[/quote]
I’ve seen your pictures from February. You don’t look like you lift weights. Why are you giving advice?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
hawaiilifterMike wrote:
To properly bulk, visit and eat at fast food restaurants daily, it helped me get to 247lbs very quickly.
I’ve seen your pictures from February. You don’t look like you lift weights. Why are you giving advice?[/quote]
Profile states:
“40% @ 247lbs”
Umm, yeah, you really shouldn’t give advice.
[quote]asusvenus wrote:
Professor X wrote:
hawaiilifterMike wrote:
To properly bulk, visit and eat at fast food restaurants daily, it helped me get to 247lbs very quickly.
I’ve seen your pictures from February. You don’t look like you lift weights. Why are you giving advice?
Profile states:
“40% @ 247lbs”
Umm, yeah, you really shouldn’t give advice.
[/quote]
I thought he was kidding. He has to be…right?
No, I am not kidding, how else can you gain / bulk quickly? And yes I do not look like I lift weights, like most of the people on this board (with a few exceptions).
[quote]hawaiilifterMike wrote:
No, I am not kidding, how else can you gain / bulk quickly? And yes I do not look like I lift weights, like most of the people on this board (with a few exceptions).[/quote]
You’re right…they shouldn’t be giving advice either.
[quote]hawaiilifterMike wrote:
No, I am not kidding, how else can you gain / bulk quickly? And yes I do not look like I lift weights, like most of the people on this board (with a few exceptions).[/quote]
No, you’re correct. Eating fast food daily is the only way to gain weight quickly. We’ve all seen Supersize Me. That was one impressive bulk.
Full disclosure: I’m not concerned with my scale weight, just that weight on the bar can continue to go up. I personally consider myself an “advanced beginner” having moved from shit to suck and onward to not pathetic by Oct. 31st 2009. I still think my experiences over the last 6 months are valid addition to the discussion.
I have found that, for me, “bulking” has just been a side product of hitting the iron like I MEAN it. I currently weigh 190. I have weighed 190 for a while (like the last 4 years), but finally started to REALLY hit the iron end of Dec. '08. Over the course of the last few months, my weight has stayed relatively constant.
However, my fat levels have been dropping (pants loose) and shirts are tight (around shoulders and chest…not gut!) and lifts have been steadily increasing. It seems like my body wants to drop some fat before the scale weight goes up?
I don’t eat clean (tacos, burgers, pizza are staples in my diet), I just don’t eat sugary foods. If the pants get too tight, I throw in some cardio but I never reduce my caloric intake. I don’t know if this constitutes a “bulk”, but if my lifts are going up, fat is dropping and weight is staying the same that would equate to gaining muscle and a “bulk” in my book.
[quote]Player wrote:
The biggest T-Nation members claim that bulking is by far the most effective way to go when it comes to building large amounts of muscle. But many people try to bulk and just end up fat because they did it wrong. From the most experienced guys, what are some guidelines to “bulk right”?[/quote]
This is an excellent question. As you know, humans gain muscle very slowly, 2 lbs a month being quite good. Do you have to pack on 10 lbs/month to get that 2?
My problem with that is that you’re teaching the body to store fat. Our bodies take excess calories to mean that hard times are coming later and consequently begins storing up fat for the seige. Then, when most people diet to get rid of the fat, the body quite correctly takes that as the time of privation. Its a disaster waiting to happen.
Lift, do A LOT of aerobic training, and try eating a very tiny amount above maintenance. Hopefully, you won’t trigger the fat storage part of the primitive brain, is all I can say.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
hawaiilifterMike wrote:
No, I am not kidding, how else can you gain / bulk quickly? And yes I do not look like I lift weights, like most of the people on this board (with a few exceptions).
No, you’re correct. Eating fast food daily is the only way to gain weight quickly. We’ve all seen Supersize Me. That was one impressive bulk.[/quote]
I love that dvd, especially when he throws up after eating a double quarter pounder, his stomach got fucked up from eating his fiance’s vegetarian cooking for too long.
[quote]hawaiilifterMike wrote:
No, I am not kidding, how else can you gain / bulk quickly? And yes I do not look like I lift weights, like most of the people on this board (with a few exceptions).[/quote]
About 1/3 of the American adult population is bulking quickly too ( http://www.win.niddk.nih.gov/STATISTICS/images/figure1.gif ).
[quote]hawaiilifterMike wrote:
To properly bulk, visit and eat at fast food restaurants daily, it helped me get to 247lbs very quickly.[/quote]
Someone give this guy a trophy.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Player wrote:
The biggest T-Nation members claim that bulking is by far the most effective way to go when it comes to building large amounts of muscle. But many people try to bulk and just end up fat because they did it wrong. From the most experienced guys, what are some guidelines to “bulk right”?
This is an excellent question. As you know, humans gain muscle very slowly, 2 lbs a month being quite good. Do you have to pack on 10 lbs/month to get that 2?
My problem with that is that you’re teaching the body to store fat. Our bodies take excess calories to mean that hard times are coming later and consequently begins storing up fat for the seige. Then, when most people diet to get rid of the fat, the body quite correctly takes that as the time of privation. Its a disaster waiting to happen.
Lift, do A LOT of aerobic training, and try eating a very tiny amount above maintenance. Hopefully, you won’t trigger the fat storage part of the primitive brain, is all I can say.
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Man, fianlly some helpful AND straight forward advise form a vet! It seems that all the vets in this forum are dedicated to busting everyone else�´s balls for asking anything and when they do give advise, for some reason they can´t resist the urge to give the OP some shit.
[quote]eaboadar wrote:
Man, fianlly some helpful AND straight forward advise form a vet! It seems that all the vets in this forum are dedicated to busting everyone else�?�´s balls for asking anything and when they do give advise, for some reason they can�´t resist the urge to give the OP some shit.[/quote]
You don’t pay attention either huh?
Dude the vets bust nuts when people ask stupid questions that have been asked 200 times, or refuse to figure ANYTHING out for themselves.
(I notice that people don’t get shit on when they ask beginner questions in the BEGINNER forum.)
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
eaboadar wrote:
Man, fianlly some helpful AND straight forward advise form a vet! It seems that all the vets in this forum are dedicated to busting everyone else�??�??�?�´s balls for asking anything and when they do give advise, for some reason they can�??�?�´t resist the urge to give the OP some shit.
You don’t pay attention either huh?
Dude the vets bust nuts when people ask stupid questions that have been asked 200 times, or refuse to figure ANYTHING out for themselves.
(I notice that people don’t get shit on when they ask beginner questions in the BEGINNER forum.)[/quote]
Off to the BEGINNERS forum is where I have to go, obviously. (From the next post onward).
Came back, the BEGINNERS forum is too mundane.
Don’t hate on cookies, ice cream, or fast food.
When used sparingly they’re great ways to add calories and get bigger and stronger.
