[quote]rainjack wrote:
lixy wrote:
This is the most disturbing account of the shit being done in Iraq I have seen. This war and attack on the Iraqi people by the USA should have never happened, and I sure hope the next White House administration apologizes for this so we can put this somber page behind us.
Says you.
Self defense is not an attack. [/quote]
You mean that you actually approve of Iraqis defending their land against the aggressor? Nice change of pace.
[quote]Sikkario wrote:
He was an ally against Islamists and Soviets alike.
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If you think I’m lying, then let me ask you, who hates Switzerland?[/quote]
Wrong Saddam was armed by the Soviet Union. And the Iranians have no problem working with the Russians.
When did I ever say that we had the moral high ground? I just do not hate our country and feel more affiliation with it because I was born here than some other country in the middle east.
BTW, most of the world, including Europe and Russia backed Saddam against Iran, and I think our biggest mistake was actually turning on him when he took over Kuwait. If he was indeed our ally, as you wrongfully claim, why did we drive him from Kuwait? Would he not have sold the oil to his “ally”?
[quote]lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
lixy wrote:
This is the most disturbing account of the shit being done in Iraq I have seen. This war and attack on the Iraqi people by the USA should have never happened, and I sure hope the next White House administration apologizes for this so we can put this somber page behind us.
Says you.
Self defense is not an attack.
You mean that you actually approve of Iraqis defending their land against the aggressor? Nice change of pace.[/quote]
Defending the land means blowing up Shia in mosques, suicide bombs going off in markets crowded with civilians? Who are they defending the land against, themselves?
Sure we were allied with Saddam. Why would an ally do this:
http://usscoontz.tripod.com/id23.html
Sure we were allied with Saddam. That’s why he used our missiles to attack Israel in Gulf war one:
He gassed the Kurds. Name one war the Us has participated in where they used nerve gas. Here is some information about where Saddam got the gas:
Who armed Iraq? Who did not back the invasion?
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,972314,00.html
[quote]Sikkario wrote:
We aided this dictator in every way possible, his name was Saddam Hussein.[/quote]
The US supplied less than 2% of foreign help to Saddam - he was mostly a Soviet client over the years. And what help we provided was a function of bad choice-worse choice international politics.
“In every way possible”? Does every night have to be amateur night?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
lixy wrote:
<In essence, “I am the Everyready Bunny of anti-US propaganda”>
The great thing about noise is that, if it continues long enough, you kind of stop hearing it.
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No kidding, he wrote that? Yep, exactly what it is, anti-us PROPAGANDA.
[quote]Sikkario wrote:
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Wow, looks like one child got left behind…in History class.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Wow, looks like one child got left behind…in History class.[/quote]
I think we should get a general education fund going here.
Maybe start a T-Nation night school.
Wait, we practically already do.
Saddam and the CIA, look it up.
He got support before he was ever even dictator, he got support back when he was just a Baath party member.
And the links I presented mean nothing??
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
And the links I presented mean nothing??[/quote]
Saddam and always was a buffer against the Islamists and the Soviets.
If he worked with the Soviets as well, that is because they were trying to woo him as his ideology was neither American or Russian.
During the period he reigned, the Baath party was a third way in the middle east. Even going so far as to create a pan arab nation through the marriage of Egypt and Syria.
Part of the reason we didn’t back his invasion of Kuwait, is Saddam was not the lackey we had wanted him to be, much like Noriega, and had we been able to, we would have taken him out.
But noone had the balls at that point to do so.
The USA looked at Saddam, like a bad child, and not like an overt threat.
As for the attack on the US Stark, I’ve never heard of that, but Israel bombed and knocked the fuck, out of another US ship, as well. And actually sank it.
So these attacks on US Warships in the Middle East, probably have some reason behind them we don’t know about.
Both of these warship attacks remain unanswered.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
He gassed the Kurds. Name one war the Us has participated in where they used nerve gas. Here is some information about where Saddam got the gas:
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The Vietnam War
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,988536,00.html
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
And the links I presented mean nothing??[/quote]
Wait…you actually believe anyone here is saying that he was still an ally even as the Gulf War was going on? Are you stupid?
Wow American Defectors in Laos, sounds like Apocalypse Now.
I love the smell of napalm in the morning…smells like…victory
[quote]Sikkario wrote:
If he worked with the Soviets as well, that is because they were trying to woo him as his ideology was neither American or Russian.[/quote]
If? You mean you are lecturing us on “the way it was” and you didn’t even know the extent of the USSR’s relationship?
Shouldn’t you figure out the whole story and then offer an opinion?
EDIT: chart isn’t big enough as a picture, attached is a blog that reprinted it
[quote]Sikkario wrote:
Saddam and the CIA, look it up.
He got support before he was ever even dictator, he got support back when he was just a Baath party member.[/quote]
Don’t need to look it up, junior. Get your history down before you pollute the forums with incomplete information. We already have Lixy to do that for us - you should look for another way to distinguish yourself.
