The Real Iraq

[quote]lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
lixy wrote:
This is the most disturbing account of the shit being done in Iraq I have seen. This war and attack on the Iraqi people by the USA should have never happened, and I sure hope the next White House administration apologizes for this so we can put this somber page behind us.

Says you.

Self defense is not an attack.

You mean that you actually approve of Iraqis defending their land against the aggressor? Nice change of pace.[/quote]

No - running over Iraqis who are too stupid to get out of the way of a convoy is not an attack.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
lixy wrote:
This is the most disturbing account of the shit being done in Iraq I have seen. This war and attack on the Iraqi people by the USA should have never happened, and I sure hope the next White House administration apologizes for this so we can put this somber page behind us.

Says you.

Self defense is not an attack.

You mean that you actually approve of Iraqis defending their land against the aggressor? Nice change of pace.

No - running over Iraqis who are too stupid to get out of the way of a convoy is not an attack. [/quote]

But invading their land is.

[quote]lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
lixy wrote:
This is the most disturbing account of the shit being done in Iraq I have seen. This war and attack on the Iraqi people by the USA should have never happened, and I sure hope the next White House administration apologizes for this so we can put this somber page behind us.

Says you.

Self defense is not an attack.

You mean that you actually approve of Iraqis defending their land against the aggressor? Nice change of pace.

No - running over Iraqis who are too stupid to get out of the way of a convoy is not an attack.

But invading their land is.[/quote]

Nope. We did not invade their land. We went in to to stop Sadaam. Now we are there killing terrorists. When your brothers leave, we will be right behind them, save for the military bases we will install and maintain.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Nope. We did not invade their land. [/quote]

By bad. You “liberated” them.

Argumenting with mules is futile. What kind of an idiot writes something like “we did not invade their land”?

[quote]lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Nope. We did not invade their land.

By bad. You “liberated” them.

Argumenting with mules is futile. What kind of an idiot writes something like “we did not invade their land”?[/quote]

What kind of idiot advocates the raping of teenaged girls?

Fuck off and die.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Nope. We did not invade their land.

By bad. You “liberated” them.

Argumenting with mules is futile. What kind of an idiot writes something like “we did not invade their land”?

What kind of idiot advocates the raping of teenaged girls?

Fuck off and die. [/quote]

They asked for it.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
lixy wrote:
This is the most disturbing account of the shit being done in Iraq I have seen. This war and attack on the Iraqi people by the USA should have never happened, and I sure hope the next White House administration apologizes for this so we can put this somber page behind us.

Says you.

Self defense is not an attack.

You mean that you actually approve of Iraqis defending their land against the aggressor? Nice change of pace.

No - running over Iraqis who are too stupid to get out of the way of a convoy is not an attack. [/quote]

No, it is murder.

Try that in Texas and let us know how it worked for you.

[quote]orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
lixy wrote:
This is the most disturbing account of the shit being done in Iraq I have seen. This war and attack on the Iraqi people by the USA should have never happened, and I sure hope the next White House administration apologizes for this so we can put this somber page behind us.

Says you.

Self defense is not an attack.

You mean that you actually approve of Iraqis defending their land against the aggressor? Nice change of pace.

No - running over Iraqis who are too stupid to get out of the way of a convoy is not an attack.

No, it is murder.

Try that in Texas and let us know how it worked for you.

[/quote]

Sorry - no one is stupid enough to stand in the middle of a military convoy. People try that on the freeway, which would be the closest you could get to the Iraqi situation, and no one gets put in jail unless they were drunk.

How was Saddam a buffer against the Soviets when he was their client? If you had read the links, you would have seen he had bought weapons from the Europeans and Soviets.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
And the links I presented mean nothing??

Wait…you actually believe anyone here is saying that he was still an ally even as the Gulf War was going on? Are you stupid?[/quote]

No, but you must be since you can not read. I said “if” he was an ally, why the need to drive him out of Kuwait? Why not let him have it? “If” he was our ally, he would have sold us their oil and we would have lost nothing.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Sikkario wrote:

Saddam and the CIA, look it up.

He got support before he was ever even dictator, he got support back when he was just a Baath party member.

Don’t need to look it up, junior. Get your history down before you pollute the forums with incomplete information. We already have Lixy to do that for us - you should look for another way to distinguish yourself.
[/quote]

Yeah, like going to Iran and convincing people that hate our very existance to like us. Isn’t that what you said you were going to do?

Good luck with this task.

[quote]Sikkario wrote:
As for the attack on the US Stark, I’ve never heard of that, but Israel bombed and knocked the fuck, out of another US ship, as well. And actually sank it.
[/quote]

If you had, you would know Iraq was not our ally in the 80’s.

As Dubya was cheering at the renewed violence, this comes along:

BAGHDAD (AP) - The U.S. Embassy says one American has been killed in rocket or mortar attacks against the Green Zone.
The announcement comes as the heavily fortified area and other parts of Baghdad have been hammered by rockets and mortars for most of this week. Embassy spokeswoman Mirembe Nantongo has identified the American killed Thursday as a government employee but says she can give no further details until relatives are notified. An American financial analyst also was killed Sunday in the first volley to strike the Green Zone.

Let’s see him twist this one around.

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

If you had, you would know Iraq was not our ally in the 80’s. [/quote]

Perhaps ally isn’t the best adjective, maybe client state?

Either way, Saddam was great at killing Iranians, and the U.S. government was all too willing to help him do that.

Dustin


Da real!

Shi’ites in Baghdad protest crackdown

[i]BAGHDAD - In a sign of growing rage against the Iraqi and US governments, tens of thousands of Shi’ites marched in their strongholds across Baghdad yesterday to protest a crackdown on Shi’ite militiamen that has led to more than 125 deaths. In a speech, Bush points to progress in Iraq.

The government announced a curfew across the capital until Sunday in an attempt to quell violence, which has spread to several cities since the offensive began Tuesday in the southern city of Basra.

Loyalists of Shi’ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr rejected US and Iraqi assertions that the Basra operation was aimed at rogue militiamen, and insisted it was targeting Sadr’s Mahdi Army militia. A statement released late yesterday by Sadr’s political office said the clergyman remained committed to a cease-fire that Sadr imposed on his militia last August.

“Moqtada al-Sadr is calling on everyone to follow political solutions and peaceful protest, and not to spill Iraqi blood, to reach a solution to the current crisis,” the statement said.

But a fourth day of ferocious rocket and mortar attacks in and around the US-guarded Green Zone, home to the US Embassy and most Iraqi government offices, underscored the sense among Shi’ite fighters that the United States and Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki were working to cripple Sadr’s movement ahead of local elections planned this fall.

The US military said the attacks were launched from Shi’ite areas of eastern Baghdad and that American forces killed two “terrorists” yesterday suspected of involvement in the barrages. An American civilian working with the US Embassy was among those killed yesterday when a rocket was fired into the Green Zone in central Baghdad.

The showdown has placed Iraqi and US officials in an awkward position. Both have described the Iraqi Security Force crackdown as a sign of Maliki’s determination to stabilize areas plagued by fighting between rival Shi’ite militias. But they also are insisting that Sadr’s fighters are not the problem, despite his militia’s role in such unrest. Mollifying Sadr is crucial if he is to continue his cease-fire, which is credited with helping to reduce violence nationwide.

“This is not the Sadr trend led by Sayyid Moqtada Sadr that has been the ongoing source of violence and instability,” said a US Embassy spokesman, Philip Reeker. His use of the honorific “Sayyid” was a sign of the United States’ attempts to remain on relatively good terms with Sadr.

Reeker blamed a “subset” of the Mahdi Army for the violence. “They really are essentially criminal militias, and they are the ones that have been the difficulty in Basra,” said Reeker.

Such statements have been met with skepticism from Sadr supporters.

“They made this crisis because the Sadr movement, they feel, will be an obstacle in the upcoming elections. They feel they won’t succeed in the elections,” said Abu Ali, a Mahdi Army member in Sadr City. The Baghdad slum is a stronghold of Sadr, and thousands took part in yesterday’s march.

Ali said violence would soar if Maliki did not halt the operation and meet Sadr’s demands for negotiations. “We will be more determined. Enough humiliation,” he said.

Maliki reiterated his demand that “criminal gangs” causing unrest in Basra should disarm within a three-day deadline that expires tomorrow.

“We are capable of facing any forces everywhere. We are determined to eradicate these criminal gangs. There will not be any negotiations with them,” he said. Maliki also made a point of not naming Sadr’s Mahdi Army as the troublemaker.

Scores of people have died since the fighting erupted early Tuesday, including at least 80 in Basra, Iraq’s second-largest city, police said.

They said another 45 people had died in Kut, the capital of Wasit Province, in clashes between militiamen and Iraqi security forces.

In Baghdad, the dead have included at least two Americans fatally injured by rockets fired into the Green Zone Sunday and yesterday. The State Department ordered employees yesterday not to go outside without wearing helmets and flak vests, harkening back to the summer when daily bombardments were the norm.

At least five barrages hit the Green Zone or nearby neighborhoods yesterday, the US military said.[/i]

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2008/03/28/shiites_in_baghdad_protest_crackdown/

Sounds like my plan for Desert Disney should kick off, and end this all. Iraq will be a glass parking lot and we can set up Diseny in Iran and Lebanon.

Analysis: Iraqis’ Basra fight not going well

[i]WASHINGTON (CNN) – The Iraqi military push into the southern city of Basra is not going as well as American officials had hoped, despite President Bush’s high praise for the operation, several U.S. officials said Friday.

A closely held U.S. military intelligence analysis of the fighting in Basra shows that Iraqi security forces control less than a quarter of the city, according to officials in both the United States and Iraq, and Basra’s police units are deeply infiltrated by members of radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr’s Mehdi Army.

“This is going to go on for a while,” one U.S. military official said.

Iraqi forces launched their offensive in Basra this week. Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki was personally overseeing operations in the southern city against what government officials called “rogue” or “outlaw” militia elements, most loyal to al-Sadr.[/i]

Lixy if you are such a supporter of these assclowns, then why don’t you get off your ass and get down there. Wrap a towel around your head, sit in some of that donkey shit and wait for some of these baby stomping Marines you like to talk about. You won’t do this because you wouldn’t last two seconds in a combat zone at least the radicals there fight and die for what they believe in, I’m sure they would rather have you heralding their greatness than be in the mud and the blood with them. (sarcasm)
Until you are ready to fight for your cause maybe you should just shut the hell up.

I repeat and stand on, shut or put up!

These things we do so that others may live free!

[quote]Cpl. Mongo wrote:
Lixy if you are such a supporter of these assclowns, then why don’t you get off your ass and get down there. [/quote]

To achieve what exactly?

You got that right! I can’t associate with either the Iraqi nationalists opposing US presence, the crew of Al-Sadr, the one paid for by Al-Maliki, the PKK or the criminals at Al-Qaeda. And without organization and money, the best I can hope for is get myself shot or blown-up or shot by either one of those.

Oh, I’m ready to fight for my cause alright. Show up with your tanks and flags where I am, and see for yourself how much fighting I’ll do.

I’m not that arrogant. I fully respect a people’s right to determine their own fate. But go ahead and delude yourself that the Baghdadi housewife lives free, when in reality she’s scared shitless to go to the market.

You do what you do for money.