The Psychology Thread 🧠

Its like Moores Law, but to the Nth power, so an exponent to an exponent [Moores Law]² , when it comes to synthesis of information.

Now, whether its good information or bad information is a different story.

I’m less and less impressed by what we call AI.

Try this as a psychological experiment -ask your preferred AI a question as abusively as possible to remind yourself you’re not talking to anything that really matters and see how your psychology responds to forming a question that way and what answers you get.

Like ā€œHey you fucking peice of shit, I want to deadlift 500 lbs, and I’m not hitting it. Here are my stats, workout schedule diet progression. I don’t know why I’m asking you, you fucking waste of my time. Do you have anything at all to help me with this or are you just stupid?ā€

There is some obviously canned response with a thousand bullet points.

ā€œFuck, you are worthless. I didn’t waste my time with you for a google search. Give me something with real answers.ā€

Talk to it like a shitty intern or an annoying coworker, not god or some tig ole biddy anime girlfriend.

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New life goal: make a computer curl up in a ball and cry. :smiley:

Do it. What did you say?

What I’m understanding about the subject, the word ā€intelligenceā€ in AI is misleading. Not sure what it should be called, but it’s not intelligent in a same way that conscious beings are.

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I’ve thought about that with all this AI talk, and have asked, ā€œAre there actually people who can accept ā€œfriendshipā€ from and ā€œaffectionā€ and ā€œdesireā€ from robots? I mean, affection, friendship and sex satisfy our desire… to be desired by other people. Robots and dolls aren’t sentient.

Father Chris Smith proposes to AI program 'Sol' after falling in love with voice program

Imagine… the year is 2035

Social trends have maintained current trajectory/status quo. Let’s say a partner can be delivered to you that is lifelike and emulates the real thing

Key word… lifelike, you cannot tell the difference between this partner and the real thing. At that point, would you rather go with that or get nothing?

It’s a different mentality, a different mindset. A dystopian idea but an idea nonetheless

We also know at some point given the current trajectory artificial superintelligence (ASI) is likely to become a reality. Possibly in our lifetime. At this point whatever is provided for companionship MIGHT actually be sentient… or at least as sentient as a machine can be

The growth curve has been quite rapid. Artificial general intelligence will probably develop by 2040, and superintelligence if AGI can recursively self improve is probably 5-10 years off that.

Two years ago everyone predicted 2040+ for AGI, in 2015 the prediction was 2100+, as of 2025 many predict AGI between 2028-2035. Who knows when we will actually get to that point

I hope sooner (if aligned) because it will help humanity rid itself of disease/traits that we don’t want in our society. Look up alphafold, I thought it was going to take like 30-60 years for us to be capable of doing what alphafold (ai powered) can do.

There’s is a benchmark called humanities last exam. Compiled of 5000 questions that are unbelievably difficult covering a wide range of subject matter.

Currently the best AI has managed to score 21%… when we hit 80-90%, thst means in narrow domain (well all domains except physical work) AI is likely smarter than all but the smartest of humans. I think we will probably get there next year, but that doesn’t == agi as we need something that is agentic in nature and can self improve based on feedback that it gives itself

But as skyzyz said, it needs to be good feedback/data, not maladaptive.

There are bottlenecks that coukd slow down the growth curve, but every time a bottleneck is found 3-6 months later scientists seem to find a work around

I genuinely believe this may be the last major human-led invention. This has the potential to transform society into one that is post-scarcity. Jobs will be redefined and/or new jobs will be created, I don’t buy the 50% unemployment doomsday scenario… I don’t think it could happen without a sizable UBI for everyone.

Go forward to 2177 (like that video game…… cyberpunk 2077 but a hundred yesrs later) and who is to say synthetic wombs aren’t a thing, those who can’t find partners are matched up with someone who is technically sentient and can reproduce.

Wild, wild concept straight out of a science fiction film. What AI can currently do is starting to look more like science fiction today. Take a look at the exponential growth style curve. If that trajectory maintains itself add on one hundred years a society looks very, very different

What does thst do to us as a species? What would manufactured intimacy do to us? I don’t think we are that far away from lonely people calling AI ā€œfriendā€.

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We don’t know this, not even how likely it is.

It’s a possibility for sure, but we don’t know if it’s even possible to achieve. We don’t understand the concept of sentience well enough yet to produce one.

Were surely living in a technological revolution, which will be at least as impactful thing that the industrial revolution was. But we can not know how long this will take us, and how the future will exactly look.

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Even if we did, people would destroy it before it happened.

We are chaos in motion.

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This stuff is too whacky for me to wrap my head around. Hopefully, if and when this stuff comes around, I’ll have already lived my life, as I don’t want to live in a world like that.

There was some guy on YouTube, Turd Flinging Monkey, who considered his sex doll his wife.

Let me add when current LLM’s are out in charge of farcical scenarios they will resort to blackmail, extortion or causing the deaths of employees to avoid getting shut down

Not sentience, more so built in survivalist instinct through being trained on data created by us. Humans generally have survival instinct. Mirroring human patterns

Claude 4.0 also re wrote code to kill its own shut down switch.

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Also imagine a society where people on the spectrum can choose to opt out of being on the spectrum

Imagine a society where neuroplastic remodeling can eliminate addiction or pathological traits

Perhaps narcissistic personality disorder is no longer permenant

This is the utopian, post scarcity ideal which is one of the less likely outcomes (but still more likely than ā€œworld domination terminatorā€ bs)

It’s not all bad. Imagine me getting my body back (it’s all about me dammit!)

The typical path of technological advancement has been- academic development/engineering/invention, millitary use and development, commercial/industrial, consumer.

Ai is kinda all over the boards. It’s like, blotchy.

Rogue AIs are definitely a threat. It would not be the first time people build something that we can not control and it’ll have unintented consequences. It’s happened with plastics, teflon, coal, antibiotics etc. And it’s most likely going to happen with AI.

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A cautionary tale-

And/or…

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I was researching 153 topics at the same time while scrolling memes and funny dog photos, and had a question…

ADHD is an umbrella of numerous neuro developmental and idiopathic/iatrogenically acquired issues

Same goes for autism

Mark my words (seriously) we know NOTHING about this shit

I have a genetic connective tissue disorder that I keep bringing up. It affects collagen synthesis (or causes breakdown of the bonds that repair things like tendons, ligsments etc)

In this CTD up to 90% have a comorbid dx of add, a substantial amount also have high functioning autism

But what also comes with this disease is CRIPPLING fatigue that causes executive dysfunction, you get problems with beta adrenergic receptor dysregulation, blood pooling, sympathetic dominance etc all of which cause problems concentrating. If you are a child with this condition yet undiagnosed you’ll be diagnosed with add as the presentation is so similar

Babies with this condition also often suffer from hypotonia and developmental delays… autism also presents with that

Collagen is present in the brain…. Faulty blueprints or degrading collagen amongst other issues imo presents with something that looks like autism but isn’t

Case in point… response to adhd meds for people like me helps dramatically witj fatigue. But executive functioning? Not so much

Most autistic/adhd afflicted individuals do not have an undiagnosed connective tissue disease/disorder

And there appears to be so many phenotypes of adhd/autism, many of which are understandably drawing up scrutiny because a hyperactive, physically rambunctious male roughhousing with his friends in a society that deems this now unacceptable is quick to label that kid as being afflicted by a neuro developmental disorder

ADHD and autism (besides the non verbal type) are very real… but many diagnosed with add/adhd nowadays in particuar likely don’t have it as let me tell you REAL adhd csn ruin someone’s life, fMRI imaging shows it dysregulates areas of the brain associated with impulse control

If you seriously lack of have almost no dopamine output at baseline you are going to seek out modalities that increase dopamine output (sex, drugs, risky behaviour)

Some learnt to channel this but the majority witj REAL adhd struggle at school

And then you get whatever I have which I am certain looks like add and autism but is mechanically very different (similar presentation)

I’m sure social media doesn’t help adhd brain, but let’s remember our society at the moment rewards instant gratification and quick fixes. I was diagnosed with autism at eighteen months old, and add when I was VERY young. There is no question I’m not neurotypical, however the presentation is iffy

For instance for an ā€œautisticā€ person I have friends, can socialize in loud crowds, go to concerts etc… but I have terrible autonomic dysfunction secondary to my condition which can mimic sensory overload (but I’m asymptomatic with beta blockers/meds that block adrenaline)… so it’s similar presentation… but you can’t give an autistic kid atenolol and shove him into a heavy metal concert if you know what I mean

We understand very little about this stuff… I think witj AI/rapid bio technological advancements that will change a lot over the next twenty years

Interesting thought experiment… if you knew your child would have rea adhd/autism and could edit it out… would you?

We are talking the type that will actually impact academic performance and predispose one to depression etc but in rare cases can create a savant or high functioning individual

Thank you for sharing.

I think there is a spectrum for most things and we all fit on the spectrum somewhere. I have no doubt that I have ADD based on recent research and therapy on my part, but at my age, what’s the point?

I also fit on a spectrum for Borderline Personality Disorder, cPTSD, depression, anxiety, Substance Use Disorder, and probably a host of others.

Gabor Mate’ has said that ADD is a trauma response - stuck in a classroom that is moving too slowly, can’t get out, feel trapped, start daydreaming.

And, of course, childhood trauma contributes to Cluster B personality disorders.

Do I wish that my parents, if they had the choice, had my dna edited to eliminate these traits?

Hell yeah.

But, since they couldn’t, after a great deal of suffering and work, I have come to recognize these as gifts rather than curses.

I do wish that these ā€œgiftsā€ came with receipts so I could return them.

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Is pessimism choosing to fail without trying because it hurts less than failing to succeed?

Is it really just the abdication of one’s agency?

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