[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Op, no one’s called you a douche. They’ve said you’re a li’l off, misguided and misinterpret information to see what you want to see, but not a douche. You are skinny fat though, so yeah.[/quote]
Playing the victim is a defense mechanism for those suffering from cognitive dissonance.[/quote]
Ugh, reading that gave me diabetes. Maybe OP can put me on a diet to control my symptoms.
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I think overall, for what you’re doing and the site you posted it on, the response has been pretty positive.
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x2.
You’ve gotten a lot of even-keeled feedback on your lifting form.
Several guys have said that they don’t agree with your approach, but they admire your dedication and/or are at least “mildly fascinated” by where it will take you.
The guys who have harshly disagreed with you have generally maintained a respectful tone. Calling you skinny-fat isn’t a character insult, it’s an accurate description of your body in comparison to many physiques built by posters on this forum.[/quote]
I can acknowledge this, but I’d have to disagree on what I consider respectful. Outside of this thread it’s been quite some time since I’ve been in the T-Nation forums though so relative to a real OP thrashing perhaps so.
So for reference can anyone link a thread that had a real OP thrashing? I want to see how bad it gets if this isn’t it…
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[…]maybe you’re just not cut out for this.
S[/quote]
Lol.
OP, you keep mentioning needing to know how people are “going to respond to my experiments” and “what they’re going to attack.” What are you referring to here? Are you planning on publishing all of this in an E-book or something? Do you hope/ expect to gain the notoriety of the pop-experimenters you’ve mentioned before?
Also, I’d be shocked if you haven’t read it already, but if not you should pick up a copy of the 4-Hour Body by Tim Ferris. Seems right up you alley.
This one was pretty rough if I recall correctly.
And of course there’s the thread where “The Shoe” reference came from. It’s so legendary I can’t even remember the thread itself, just the shoe…
[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:
OP, you keep mentioning needing to know how people are “going to respond to my experiments” and “what they’re going to attack.” What are you referring to here? Are you planning on publishing all of this in an E-book or something? Do you hope/ expect to gain the notoriety of the pop-experimenters you’ve mentioned before?
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Delusions of grandeur, somewhat, but OP has mentioned e-books earlier in the thread, and I think he’s already published at least one of them.
I’m guilty of this, on occasion: developing some statement in my head and telling a friend “Can you believe that so many people (think X, Y, Z)” and he just looks at me and says “Dude, who actually thinks that?”
OP is guilty of same. He’s trying to develop responses for the criticisms that people will have for his experiment, when in reality 99.999999% of the world will never hear of it or give a crap.
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:
OP, you keep mentioning needing to know how people are “going to respond to my experiments” and “what they’re going to attack.” What are you referring to here? Are you planning on publishing all of this in an E-book or something? Do you hope/ expect to gain the notoriety of the pop-experimenters you’ve mentioned before?
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Delusions of grandeur, somewhat, but OP has mentioned e-books earlier in the thread, and I think he’s already published at least one of them.
I’m guilty of this, on occasion: developing some statement in my head and telling a friend “Can you believe that so many people (think X, Y, Z)” and he just looks at me and says “Dude, who actually thinks that?”
OP is guilty of same. He’s trying to develop responses for the criticisms that people will have for his experiment, when in reality 99.999999% of the world will never hear of it or give a crap.[/quote]
These are yours correct OP?
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
He’s trying to develop responses for the criticisms that people will have for his experiment…[/quote]
I can’t blame him here. That’s a pretty logical way to go about defending your work.
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:
OP, you keep mentioning needing to know how people are “going to respond to my experiments” and “what they’re going to attack.” What are you referring to here? Are you planning on publishing all of this in an E-book or something? Do you hope/ expect to gain the notoriety of the pop-experimenters you’ve mentioned before?
[/quote]
Delusions of grandeur, somewhat, but OP has mentioned e-books earlier in the thread, and I think he’s already published at least one of them.
I’m guilty of this, on occasion: developing some statement in my head and telling a friend “Can you believe that so many people (think X, Y, Z)” and he just looks at me and says “Dude, who actually thinks that?”
OP is guilty of same. He’s trying to develop responses for the criticisms that people will have for his experiment, when in reality 99.999999% of the world will never hear of it or give a crap.[/quote]
I have a feeling it will probably be closer to 99.99999% that won’t hear of it than 99.999999%.
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
I’ve got to start from somewhere and right now it’s here. I’m doing the experiment regardless of how many people think it’s idiotic because I didn’t start it out of strength or physique goals. I can though use this time to address my basic lifts and get better so that later when I do include strength/physique goals I can make improvements.[/quote]
You keep saying this.
But the fact remains that you believed that the traditional methods don’t work for you, and so you’re looking for a new method.
You yourself wrote that this is different from the experiments you’ve done before. You didn’t know whether this one would be successful in building strength/physique or not, but you did say that was one of your goals.
" It is common for engineering to look to nature to solve problems and I believe this program has the potential to illicit major physiological changes."
Remember?
You wrote your bloody goal and expectations in the first post. It failed. Accept it.
Saying that you goal was to observe what will happen is only partially true, unless you actually didn’t mean what you wrote in your OP.
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:
OP, you keep mentioning needing to know how people are “going to respond to my experiments” and “what they’re going to attack.” What are you referring to here? Are you planning on publishing all of this in an E-book or something? Do you hope/ expect to gain the notoriety of the pop-experimenters you’ve mentioned before?
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Delusions of grandeur, somewhat, but OP has mentioned e-books earlier in the thread, and I think he’s already published at least one of them.
[/quote]
I know he’s published them in the past, one of which being a beginner’s guide to dieting or something. But when he was catching flack for not being a real expert but still writing about his crazy diet theories he was quick to point out that the stuff he’s actually published is much less insane than his current experiment and has pretty regular advice in it.
So I was just wondering if he was planning on eventually releasing this and his other bizarre experiments, and if so how he would respond to the criticism that it’s irresponsible to proclaim yourself an expert without any formal education, training, or accomplishments and then write about dieting protocols that not only don’t work but are also very dangerous.
Trashing exhibit #1
Thrashing exhibit # 2
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/music_movies_girls_life/enigma666_im_calling_you_out
[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:
OP, you keep mentioning needing to know how people are “going to respond to my experiments” and “what they’re going to attack.” What are you referring to here? Are you planning on publishing all of this in an E-book or something? Do you hope/ expect to gain the notoriety of the pop-experimenters you’ve mentioned before?
Also, I’d be shocked if you haven’t read it already, but if not you should pick up a copy of the 4-Hour Body by Tim Ferris. Seems right up you alley. [/quote]
I want to conduct the experiments in meaningful ways. While a good portion just pertains to me I want to see what others think is needed for a better experiment. For example, as has been mentioned the need to separate the variables of correcting lifts from the eating pattern.
I write about all my experiments… So let’s take cholesterol for an example… In my prior cholesterol experiments I stabilized my cholesterol with a banana only diet to 143 mg/dL ± 3% deviation across 2 years and six different confirmed measurements. Cholesterol is in part a function of dietary saturated fat and dietary cholesterol intake. Eating 36 eggs a day raised my cholesterol to 346 mg/dL and eating 4.5 lbs of beef a day it was at 324 mg/dL. Anytime I stopped eating saturated fat and cholesterol it dropped to under 200 mg/dL in less than 4 weeks.
So one outstanding question that boggles me is how can people get cholesterol levels in the 400’s eating less than 60g of saturated fat and 1,000 mg of cholesterol daily when cholesterol stabilizes within 2 - 4 week? And just as an FYI that time frame is supported by a lot more than just my experiments but I’m sparing the details for now.
I have a theory that serum cholesterol buildup may be due to the body’s inability to process it in a timely fashion similarly to glucose. And just like glucose cholesterol has a genetic condition for this called familial hypercholesterolemia.
During my cholesterol experiments there was a day that I tried to spike my cholesterol by eating 3 lbs of beef and 20 eggs on a single day. I had my cholesterol stabilized to 143 mg/dL and the next day after eating this my cholesterol didn’t budge. I then tested it again at one week to verify and it was still stabilized at one week. So what gives? How can I eat that much saturated fat and cholesterol and it does nothing? I tried again with 4 days of spiking and it budged significantly.
Now many people argue only 15% - 25% of cholesterol is from diet, but that’s false it’s just a statistical mean from the average person and average diet not a hard limit. Plus I’ve got proof that mine changes radically with extreme diets. Going back to the glucose comparison I have desired to see what would happen with a fasting pattern like this. If the fasting and lack of intake would allow my body to process it better.
I’ve got several blood draws with comparable average intakes to this diet. I want to see how they match up.
I’m not seeking fame… I’m just interested and most modern studies on diet (particularly cholesterol) don’t control variables well at all. Just sharing with health enthusiasts interested…
goddammit this guy and this thread.
just lift and eat. The more you lift hard the more you get to eat WTF you want to.
(squat + bench + DL) * (fat + carbs +protien) = Big and strong.
Is this when we really miss having Professor X around? Can anyone imagine what this thread would be like with him involved?
Don’t get me wrong I’m nor expert, I’ve just been able to get a lot bigger and stronger over 6 yrs.
OP, go read some Jim Wendler books/articles.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
He’s trying to develop responses for the criticisms that people will have for his experiment…[/quote]
I can’t blame him here. That’s a pretty logical way to go about defending your work. [/quote]
Bingo. Where better to go than the place that will thrash you the most?
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Trashing exhibit #1
Thrashing exhibit # 2
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/music_movies_girls_life/enigma666_im_calling_you_out
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Oh lawdy forgot about these…
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
He’s trying to develop responses for the criticisms that people will have for his experiment…[/quote]
I can’t blame him here. That’s a pretty logical way to go about defending your work. [/quote]
Bingo. Where better to go than the place that will thrash you the most?[/quote]
You’re a pretty sensitive guy if you think this thread is trashing you.
(You’re even more sensitive than I thought if you think this^^ is an attack)
You have gotten a lot of constructive criticism and very few personal attacks, if any st all. (I’m sure there are 1 or 2 in here somewhere)
You came to a bodybuilding and fitness site who’s monicur is “Building High-Performance Muscle” trying to promote off the wall dietary habits like eating 5 pounds of raw hot dogs whenever there’s a crescent moon and expected a big hug and a bunch of pats on the back?
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Trashing exhibit #1
Thrashing exhibit # 2
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/music_movies_girls_life/enigma666_im_calling_you_out
[/quote]
Holy shit… Thrashing exhibit #2 is epic. It’s before my time. Thanks for sharing.
[quote]gregron wrote:
You’re a pretty sensitive guy if you think this thread is trashing you.
(You’re even more sensitive than I thought if you think this^^ is an attack)[/quote]
That’s not an attack at all.
[quote]gregron wrote:
You have gotten a lot of constructive criticism and very few personal attacks, if any st all. (I’m sure there are 1 or 2 in here somewhere)[/quote]
Agreed on the constructiveness, disagree there were only 1 or 2 personal attack.
[quote]gregron wrote:
You came to a bodybuilding and fitness site who’s monicur is “Building High-Performance Muscle” trying to promote off the wall dietary habits like eating 5 pounds of raw hot dogs whenever there’s a crescent moon and expected a big hug and a bunch of pats on the back? [/quote]
Understood and that’s why I’m here with this.