This thread is just delicious.
Loving every second of it.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Also, regarding the collection of your pics, I have to repeat that you have absolutely no business calling yourself an “expert dieter.” Again, there’s a bit more to dieting than simply sticking to a difficult diet to prove you can stick to a difficult diet. I literally LOLd when I saw you have another ebook out titled “Do you want to get better at dieting?: Dieting perspectives and training for success.”[/quote]
I hear what you’re saying but there’s more to dieting than attaining an elite physique. I don’t know maybe things like insulin resistance, nutrition, and overall health.
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And… what do you know about those things? Quantifiably, I mean.
Are you healthier today because of what you’ve learned? How have you quantified that?[/quote]
How would you like me to quantify my knowledge on a particular topic? I’ve written over 400 pages on various topics, have one you want to throw out there to test me on?
Overall I’m a very healthy person and all my health metrics where ideal at the start of the experiments 2.5 years ago - weight, blood pressure, cholesterol, fasting glucose, etc. As long as you’re within reference ranges you can’t really say much about changes in numbers because most of them are reflective of temporary factors.
For example, if you have triglycerides of 120 and it goes down to 60 it doesn’t mean you got healthier it likely just means you’re eating less carbs. Reference ranges are also a representation of a statistical mean not a diagnosis themselves, so individual differences aren’t necessary reflective of health either. So with all that in consideration it’s hard to quantify if I got healthier from it.
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
This thread is just delicious.
Loving every second of it.[/quote]
x2
Just keeps getting better and better.
To be completely honest and not to be a jerk/a-hole but you have no business trying to tell anyone how to diet and train, especially on a site like this.
Based on your photos and your own admittance that your weight bodyfat and lifts have been fluctuating all over the place for the past 10 years it’s pretty obvious that you are a “yo-yo dieter”
That’s exactly what people who want/need to diet should stay away from. Consistency is the key and all things in moderation. These are two tried and true concepts that your approach is in stark contrast to and the results (physique and strength wise) are pedestrian at best.
You obviously fancy yourself as a scientist and an intellectual and that according to your posts, all of is knuckle dragging, mouth breathing, gym rat meat heads just can’t possibly understand the complexities of what you’re trying to accomplish BUT just look at some of the people on this site and in this thread. Their physiques and the people who they coach, train and eyre diets for speak for themselves. Even if they haven’t written over 400 pages.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Did you test any maxes, whether it be 1rm or 10rm, or something similar, right before you started the program? Specifically on bench, since as you mentioned, you haven’t really changed your form there? 20 rep sets aren’t particularly telling of actual strength IMO, since conditioning ends up being a more mitigating factor. Just curious how you’re going to assess progress at the end.[/quote]
I hit a 1RM for bench just prior and got 255, but within the last couple months I hit 275 so I’m sticking with 275 for assessment purposes.
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Also, regarding the collection of your pics, I have to repeat that you have absolutely no business calling yourself an “expert dieter.” Again, there’s a bit more to dieting than simply sticking to a difficult diet to prove you can stick to a difficult diet. I literally LOLd when I saw you have another ebook out titled “Do you want to get better at dieting?: Dieting perspectives and training for success.”[/quote]
I hear what you’re saying but there’s more to dieting than attaining an elite physique. I don’t know maybe things like insulin resistance, nutrition, and overall health.
[/quote]
And… what do you know about those things? Quantifiably, I mean.
Are you healthier today because of what you’ve learned? How have you quantified that?[/quote]
[…] So with all that in consideration it’s hard to quantify if I got healthier from it.[/quote]
So with all that in consideration it’s hard to quantify if you know anything about dieting for health.
I’ve read a good chunk of these posts but not all of them, so excuse me if any of what I’m going to say has been covered already. I just have so many questions.
First, you’re just doing this to “see what happens,” right? That’s your ONLY goal? Because when people criticize your lack of progress you seem to fall back on the explanation that you’re doing all these strange diets only as experiments so getting bigger, stronger, leaner, etc doesn’t matter to you. However, in other places you say that your goal is to get to 8% BF while maintaining some muscle mass. Which is it?
Second, do you realize that having a sample size of exactly one dude makes all of your experiments pretty much useless to anyone other than yourself? You’re not able to draw any real conclusions from these experiments because the sample size is just too small.
At best you’re able to conclude how YOU and YOU ALONE respond to eating raw meat every third day and nothing at all the rest of the time, but I’m not sure why that would be valuable information to you unless you plan on doing that regularly or expect it to have a positive outcome.
I also got a kick out of one your earlier posts where you say that your 4 week long all-potato diet taught you that your body doesn’t respond well to potatoes. That’s a hilarious conclusion to draw from that “experiment.”
Lastly, do you have any videos of you lifting those heavier weights that you claim as current and past maxes? No offense, but you don’t really seem like a guy with a 1000 lb total at 165 lbs, which if I’m not mistaken is what you claimed you had when you were training with “Westside principles” a few years ago. I’m particularly interested in your 365 lb squat.
All this said, what you’re doing takes a certain amount of balls and a lot of perseverance so kudos to you for that. It’s oddly beautiful in a way; its sort of like you’re applying the principles of Dadaism and avant-garde art to diet and training. Weird and kind of upsetting, but definitely interesting to look at.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Consistency is the key and all things in moderation.[/quote]
Research conclusively shows that VLEDs have the best short-term and long-success for weight loss so as the general public is concerned consistency is far from being key.
If you want to talk about diabetics and people with insulin resistance which is a grand total of about 43% of the adult American population severe caloric restriction has also been shown to have the quickest impact on reversing Type II diabetes and insulin resistance.
VLED and severe caloric restriction are far from what I would consider to be a consistent/moderation approach.
References:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
So with all that in consideration it’s hard to quantify if you know anything about dieting for health.[/quote]
So I had to have been obese and unhealthy to show I know anything about getting healthy with diet?
I did a 4 week long all-hot sauce diet and it taught me that my body doesn’t respond well to siracha.
[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:
First, you’re just doing this to “see what happens,” right? That’s your ONLY goal? Because when people criticize your lack of progress you seem to fall back on the explanation that you’re doing all these strange diets only as experiments so getting bigger, stronger, leaner, etc doesn’t matter to you. However, in other places you say that your goal is to get to 8% BF while maintaining some muscle mass. Which is it?[/quote]
The purpose of the experiment is to see what happens because I’m interested in blood work, BMR adaptation, and body composition. The 8% target is to assess if it’s having a positive impact, but that’s not the goal of the experiment just a marker.
Plenty of individuals have done single person experiments like Morgan Spurlock, Tom Naughton, and Joe Cross. The experiments have been far from meaningless… And while you can’t say how results will generalize to other people we’re all human with the same basic anatomy so there’s a ton of overlap no matter of individual variations.
Why? My first four experiments were single food sources to also include 5.2 lbs of banana day, 36 eggs a day, and 4.5 lbs of raw beef a day for 4 weeks. The only one of them my body reacted poorly too was potatoes.
I’m at 275/325/375 bench/squat/deadlift now. I’ll video my maxes for the experiment at some point, but no I don’t have past videos.
Thanks for the feedback, hope it continues to entertain even if it’s at my expense.
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Consistency is the key and all things in moderation.[/quote]
Research conclusively shows that VLEDs have the best short-term and long-success for weight loss so as the general public is concerned consistency is far from being key.
If you want to talk about diabetics and people with insulin resistance which is a grand total of about 43% of the adult American population severe caloric restriction has also been shown to have the quickest impact on reversing Type II diabetes and insulin resistance.
VLED and severe caloric restriction are far from what I would consider to be a consistent/moderation approach.
References:
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Most of those people have insulin resistance and diabetes cause they are fat, don’t exercise and have terrible diets. Of course an extremely restrictive diet is going to have the fastest results because what they need is to 1. Not be so fat and 2. Not eat all the crap their eating.
BUUUUUUUUUT these people didn’t get to where they’re at overnight and crash dieting isn’t going to fix their issue when it comes to food and exercise. It’s not sustainable long term and after their crash diet they’re going to balloon back up Into being unhealthy fatties.
Just like you’ve been doing for the past decade. Gaining strength, gaining fat, losing strength, losing fat, losing weight… Never really making real progress with a constant back and forth.
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
Why? My first four experiments were single food sources to also include 5.2 lbs of banana day, 36 eggs a day, and 4.5 lbs of raw beef a day for 4 weeks. The only one of them my body reacted poorly too was potatoes.[/quote]
Have you considered that it wasn’t the potatoes that were the problem, but rather the lack of any other foods?
[quote]Thanks for the feedback, hope it continues to entertain even if it’s at my expense.
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Hope there aren’t too many hard feelings. I mean, you can’t post a video of yourself eating several lbs of raw meat on the internet and not expect to get a bit of flack about it.
Do you intend to submit any of your work for peer review/publication in any journals?
Side note: I keep getting confused by your numbers on the powerlifts when I read them. Most lifters use the following format: squat/bench/deadlift, in that order. It’s not truly important, but I thought I’d make you aware of that standard.
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
I’m at 275/325/375 bench/squat/deadlift now.
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None of these are legit. Not one single one. Dude, your squats, even after “correction,” are inches high. There is not a chance in a deep dark hell that you can legitimately bench more than 1.5 times your body weight and deadlift more than twice your bodyweight doing the absolutely idiotic shit you are doing.
It would be much easier to accept this as an intriguing novelty if you weren’t so delusional about everything.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Consistency is the key and all things in moderation.[/quote]
Research conclusively shows that VLEDs have the best short-term and long-success for weight loss so as the general public is concerned consistency is far from being key.
If you want to talk about diabetics and people with insulin resistance which is a grand total of about 43% of the adult American population severe caloric restriction has also been shown to have the quickest impact on reversing Type II diabetes and insulin resistance.
VLED and severe caloric restriction are far from what I would consider to be a consistent/moderation approach.
References:
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/74/5/579.long
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Most of those people have insulin resistance and diabetes cause they are fat, don’t exercise and have terrible diets. Of course an extremely restrictive diet is going to have the fastest results because what they need is to 1. Not be so fat and 2. Not eat all the crap their eating.
BUUUUUUUUUT these people didn’t get to where they’re at overnight and crash dieting isn’t going to fix their issue when it comes to food and exercise. It’s not sustainable long term and after their crash diet they’re going to balloon back up Into being unhealthy fatties.
Just like you’ve been doing for the past decade. Gaining strength, gaining fat, losing strength, losing fat, losing weight… Never really making real progress with a constant back and forth.
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You know how you get no so fat? Lose more weight long term and that’s exactly what inconsistent VLED approaches will yield for the majority of people which is who I’m catering my material towards. That weight loss study was total lost over 5 years not yo-yo effects…
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
So with all that in consideration it’s hard to quantify if you know anything about dieting for health.[/quote]
So I had to have been obese and unhealthy to show I know anything about getting healthy with diet?
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I never said anything of the sort. I’m just trying to understand your claims.
You’ve suggested that you’re an “expert dieter” and that you know how to diet for success. I’m trying to understand the context you make those claims.
Here, you suggest that your diet knowledge doesn’t really cover physique improvement:
So, I’m trying to explore what exactly you’re qualified with out of those things you suggested. Since “health” is already vague, I went down that path and was trying to figure out what experience you had in “dieting for health”.
And yet you’ve said that your dieting has had little measurable impact on your health.
Please explain what you are an expert at dieting for? I can’t figure out the context.
This is doubly important if you’re going to use your own experiments of n=1 to back up your claims.
[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:
Have you considered that it wasn’t the potatoes that were the problem, but rather the lack of any other foods?[/quote]
No. Two reasons: 1) I had just come off a very nutrient rich, variety filled diet and nutrients last for months in the body; 2) All my other single food source experiments had similar lack of variety.
Criticism is the only way I’ll get better. Trust me if I couldn’t take it I wouldn’t be posting in this forum. If I wanted cheerleaders I’d stick to MFP.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Do you intend to submit any of your work for peer review/publication in any journals?
Side note: I keep getting confused by your numbers on the powerlifts when I read them. Most lifters use the following format: squat/bench/deadlift, in that order. It’s not truly important, but I thought I’d make you aware of that standard.[/quote]
What I’m doing (like the other n=1 experiments mentioned) wouldn’t be considered peer review worthy. I’ll write about it but that’s it. There are only two n=1 studies I’ve seen published: David Blaine after his 44 day fast and an 88 year old man that at two dozen eggs a day for decades.
Noted. I had been doing the other way for a long time. I’ll correct that.
[quote]Goldie4545 wrote:
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
I’m at 275/325/375 bench/squat/deadlift now.
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None of these are legit. Not one single one. Dude, your squats, even after “correction,” are inches high. There is not a chance in a deep dark hell that you can legitimately bench more than 1.5 times your body weight and deadlift more than twice your bodyweight doing the absolutely idiotic shit you are doing.
It would be much easier to accept this as an intriguing novelty if you weren’t so delusional about everything.[/quote]
I can definitely hit a 1.5x bench. After correcting squat depth I might not get 325 admittedly, but that’s one of the reasons I can’t use it as a direct comparison. Again I did train at lower depths just not usually ATG (I know that first video is going to haunt me but I’ll take it). The deadlift is my strongest lift now and historically. My back arch will go to shit at 375 lbs but I’ll get it fully locked out. Last time I was 143 lbs I still hit 325 lbs. I can hit 325 now easy.
I’ll toss in a deadlift max this next workout. I was going to wait for the other maxes until two weeks when I’m doing a small refeed (still all raw meat still working out before each time, but I’ll be on vacation so I’m going to eat and enjoy the workout time).
[quote]LoRez wrote:
You’ve suggested that you’re an “expert dieter” and that you know how to diet for success. I’m trying to understand the context you make those claims.
Here, you suggest that your diet knowledge doesn’t really cover physique improvement:
In my opinion a successful diet is one who can adhere to any diet for any length of time. The reality is the majority of the public cannot adhere to the diets they need to be on. Dieting and an ELITE physique are not exclusive but not dependent either - you can be elite in one and not the other.
I can adhere to any diet, any length of time… I can eat foods I find bland or disgusting just because I believe it’s better. One small example but I drink unflavored BCAA’s and L-Glutamine because I don’t want the dyes and sugars and it tastes like chewing an aspirin. I eat with purpose not for taste and I happy doing it. That’s why I consider myself an expert dieter.
[quote]So, I’m trying to explore what exactly you’re qualified with out of those things you suggested. Since “health” is already vague, I went down that path and was trying to figure out what experience you had in “dieting for health”.
And yet you’ve said that your dieting has had little measurable impact on your health.[/quote]
It has just not that’s quantifiable scientifically. I feel better, I have more energy, I haven’t gotten sick in years, etc.