Would improved connective tissue strength have something to do with it? (or is this related to inhibition?)
There is more to producing an optical lift than motor unit recruitment. For instance,
-changes in the elastic quality of connective tissue.
-Changes in z-line isoform composition, therebye altering contribution of parallel elastic components of the muscle.
-Optimization of timming of motor unit recruitment. i.e. calling muscle into play when it’s most needed, eg. your sticking point.
-Changes in force of contraction in response to the same neural output.
-Changes in relative proportion of myosine heavy chain isoforms, thus allowing a given physiological cross sectional area to have faster shortening velocity.
-Reduction of cross sectional area of slow-twitch fibers, thus reducing potential dampening effect on whole muscle shortening velocity.
-Changes in penation angle of muscle, thus increasing physiological cross sectional area.
These are just a few potential factors that could contribute to changes in strength in the abscence of changes in bodyweight. Add these to the factors that others have put forth, and you can see that it’s no longer much of a paradox. Instead it is an oversimplification of what is actually taking place. That is, the assumption that bodyweight is the only contributing factor to force production on an external object.
D Barr(bell)
Like the new avatar better. I have just started doing 1 arm db snatches. I got 5x5 @80 last week. Looks like about 150 in you avatar. I have got a way to go but it is great to have a new goal.
when all else fails you can always turn to the juice!
Yeah I know this isnt really along the lines of this discussion but have seen people reap new meet PR’s in the same weight class with the help of some AAS
I would spend more time on lifting than thinking. It’s a great start.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
I would spend more time on lifting than thinking. It’s a great start.[/quote]
Yeah, because being stupid and overtrained is “hardcore.”
David,
IMHO, reasons/ways to get stronger without weight gain…
1.You will not stabilize at a bodyweight until you get to your optimal bodyweight.
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Learning to cycle.
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Understanding how to use and when to use the supportive gear.
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attacking weak points
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24 hour plus weigh ins.
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The internet. It has provided more technical and coaching info than was available anytime in the past.
7.Bands, chains, boards.
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reps under 3.
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Rules and gear changes.
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Perfect practice makes perfect.
jack
Attitude and a good training environment with supportive partners.
[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
tom63 wrote:
I would spend more time on lifting than thinking. It’s a great start.
Yeah, because being stupid and overtrained is “hardcore.”
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And failing to see the big picture and attacking others is “mature”. 
I imagine that a guy like tom63, who is a chiropractor, ART practicioner (thanks to Timmy P, of course), and a contributor over at elitefts would have a little more in mind with his comments than “Og lift rock”. But I’m just hazarding a guess there.
There is a continuum between being “stupid and overtrained” and “thinking about lifting but never accomplishing anything”. Perhaps some people need to shift one way or the other along it.
Given how often I see people working hard with no plan at all, I strongly disagree. That, and this thread was started as a technical discussion - not “how can I get Hyooge?!” or “How can I reshape my z line and myosine fillaments to get ripped quads?!” Inappropriate place for that comment.
-Dan
[quote]RickJames wrote:
Chris Shugart wrote:
tom63 wrote:
I would spend more time on lifting than thinking. It’s a great start.
Yeah, because being stupid and overtrained is “hardcore.”
And failing to see the big picture and attacking others is “mature”. I imagine that a guy like tom63, who is a chiropractor, ART practicioner (thanks to Timmy P, of course), and a contributor over at elitefts would have a little more in mind with his comments than “Og lift rock”. But I’m just hazarding a guess there.
There is a continuum between being “stupid and overtrained” and “thinking about lifting but never accomplishing anything”. Perhaps some people need to shift one way or the other along it. [/quote]
Jared, perhaps Tom should say what he means instead of tossing out a barb against four people involved in this discussion who are also educated, published and involved in performance and powerlifting (Barr, Robertson, Thibaudeau, and Cressey.) I’m sure these guys got their lifting in today. But since training takes only 3-6 hours a week, I think it’s quite okay to think the rest of the time.
Tom wrote that he’d spend more time lifting than thinking. Tom’s smart but that’s an oversimplified, dumb statement. While I’m sure he’s attempting to preach to the choir about getting too wrapped up in the minutia, I think those contributors involved in this discussion are well aware of that trap and capable of lifting and thinking.
what if you were not getting 98% in all other muscles? i mean you could get 98% recruitment in the quads and 25% in the glutes or hamstrings and guess what? you are not gonna more that much weight in the squat! I think you are looking at this issue with a narrow view. The body works as a whole to move big weights for power lifting.
…but very interesting and thought provoking topic
[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
Jared, perhaps Tom should say what he means instead of tossing out a barb…
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And perhaps you should have had a more mature response and not stepped down to his level. But I guess the high road is too hard to take sometimes.
[quote]While I’m sure he’s attempting to preach to the choir about getting too wrapped up in the minutia, I think those contributors involved in this discussion are well aware of that trap and capable of lifting and thinking.
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That’s your opinion; obviously his was different.
Rick, are you getting paid to wave around somebody elses e-penis?
If someone has a problem, perhaps they can get on here and wave their own e-penis around… unless you just like hanging on to other’s e-penises?
Actually chris I have found that the mroe people think tenfs to gravitate to less strength. I have a 260 pound drug free guy working out with me that just hit a 750 squat last week.
I myself will be hitting in the mid to high 600s at 198 in a month and a half.
To much thinking leads to to little lifting. I’m a moderator on a different forum with world class guys that lift world class weights.
[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
tom63 wrote:
I would spend more time on lifting than thinking. It’s a great start.
Yeah, because being stupid and overtrained is “hardcore.”
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[quote]tom63 wrote:
Actually chris I have found that the mroe people think tenfs to gravitate to less strength. I have a 260 pound drug free guy working out with me that just hit a 750 squat last week.
I myself will be hitting in the mid to high 600s at 198 in a month and a half.
To much thinking leads to to little lifting. I’m a moderator on a different forum with world class guys that lift world class weights.
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No one is arguing for an armchair expert philosophy. Try to avoid that strawman. You said to lift more than think. I pointed out that training takes an hour a day, might as well think some too. I’m sure Tate and Louie think way more than they lift. It would be impossible not to. I’m Tate’s editor on this site, and it’s obvious he spends a whole lot of time thinking about and pondering a variety of strength subjects.
People can get into technical discussions during the time they’re not in the gym. They can look to science and research without becoming armchair experts. No one is saying to read, discuss and debate without training too. This thread (before we hijacked it) had four published, well-respected coaches having a discussion. They all walk the walk, and they don’t need a lecture or told to think less.
You said you’re a mod on another site. Well, if people should be lifting rather than thinking and discussing, why not shut down that site? Why have a forum if we should all just camp out in the gym?
How many hours a day do people think and how many hours a day do people train?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
How many hours a day do people think and how many hours a day do people train?[/quote]
Depends on the people, doesn’t it?
Some poeple don’t seem to think at all.
And hey…Shugart…what the hell?
That time of the month? You don’t usually go off like that.
Nice attempted ass kissing by vroom too…“do you get paid to wave other people’s e-penises”
…shit.
You already got your t-shirt, vroomie, what else do you want?
The lesssons you learn by lifting and being around strong people are lessons that cannot be debated. they simply work.
I held an elite seminar a month ago at my office. I met some nice people, but veruyfew strong people. But very well versed in this and that people.
Hmm, tom, it takes a lot of time and effort to become seriously strong. Years would be a good way to describe it.
What harm in keeping yourself occupied, working your brain, while you aren’t in the gym?
Barring checmical enhancement how long should it take to add 100 lbs to a raw lift:
a) Prior to developing expertise in that lift - as a beginner.
b) After developing expertise in that lift?
Perhaps for such lifts as squats, deads and of course benching.