The Power Plate

i figured id do a pubmed search.

here’s a study showing inefficiency of whole-body vibration training…

'Int J Sports Med. 2005 Oct;26(8):662-8. Related Articles, Links
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Effects of whole body vibration training on muscle strength and sprint performance in sprint-trained athletes.

Delecluse C, Roelants M, Diels R, Koninckx E, Verschueren S.

Exercise Physiology and Biomechanics Laboratory, Faculty of Physical Education and Physiotherapy, Department of Kinesiology, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Leuven, Belgium.

Despite the expanding use of Whole Body Vibration training among athletes, it is not known whether adding Whole Body Vibration training to the conventional training of sprint-trained athletes will improve speed-strength performance. Twenty experienced sprint-trained athletes (13 male symbol, 7 female symbol, 17 - 30 years old) were randomly assigned to a Whole Body Vibration group (n = 10: 6 male symbol and 4 female symbol) or a Control group (n = 10: 7 male symbol, 3 female symbol). During a 5-week experimental period all subjects continued their conventional training program, but the subjects of the Whole Body Vibration group additionally performed three times weekly a Whole Body Vibration training prior to their conventional training program. The Whole Body Vibration program consisted of unloaded static and dynamic leg exercises on a vibration platform (35 - 40 Hz, 1.7 - 2.5 mm, Power Plate(R)). Pre and post isometric and dynamic (100 degrees /s) knee-extensor and -flexor strength and knee-extension velocity at fixed resistances were measured by means of a motor-driven dynamometer (Rev 9000, Technogym(R)). Vertical jump performance was measured by means of a contact mat. Force-time characteristics of the start action were assessed using a load cell mounted on each starting block. Sprint running velocity was recorded by means of a laser system. Isometric and dynamic knee-extensor and knee-flexor strength were unaffected (p > 0.05) in the Whole Body Vibration group and the Control group. As well, knee-extension velocity remained unchanged (p > 0.05). The duration of the start action, the resulting start velocity, start acceleration, and sprint running velocity did not change (> 0.05) in either group. In conclusion, this specific Whole Body Vibration protocol of 5 weeks had no surplus value upon the conventional training program to improve speed-strength performance in sprint-trained athletes.'

here’re two overviews that claim whole-body vibration training can be beneficial for athletes or whatnot, but little is understood and there are negative effects as well.

'J Strength Cond Res. 2005 May;19(2):459-66. Related Articles, Links
Click here to read
Vibration training: an overview of the area, training consequences, and future considerations.

Jordan MJ, Norris SR, Smith DJ, Herzog W.

Canadian Sport Centre-Calgary, University of Calgary, Calgary, Alberta T2N 1N4, Canada. mjordan@ucalgary.ca

The effects of vibration on the human body have been documented for many years. Recently, the use of vibration for improving the training regimes of athletes has been investigated. Vibration has been used during strength-training movements such as elbow flexion, and vibration has also been applied to the entire body by having subjects stand on vibration platforms. Exposure to whole-body vibration has also resulted in a significant improvement in power output in the postvibratory period and has been demonstrated to induce significant changes in the resting hormonal profiles of men. In addition to the potential training effects of vibration, the improvement in power output that is observed in the postvibratory period may also lead to better warm-up protocols for athletes competing in sporting events that require high amounts of power output. These observations provide the possibility of new and improved methods of augmenting the training and performance of athletes through the use vibration training. Despite the potential benefits of vibration training, there is substantial evidence regarding the negative effects of vibration on the human body. In conclusion, the potential of vibration treatment to enhance the training regimes of athletes appears quite promising. It is essential though that a thorough understanding of the implications of this type of treatment be acquired prior to its use in athletic situations. Future research should be done with the aim of understanding the biological effects of vibration on muscle performance and also the effects of different vibration protocols on muscle performance.'

'J Biomech. 2005 Apr 30; [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links
Click here to read
Vibration training: benefits and risks.

Mester J, Kleinoder H, Yue Z.

Institute of Training Science and Sport Informatics, German Sport University, Cologne, Germany.

The main results of our recent several studies, i.e. the measurements of vibration training results for single case and group studies as well as the cardiovascular parameter measurements during vibrations and the corresponding hydrodynamic analysis, are summarized. Our studies and previous work all confirm that vibration training is an effective training method in order to improve maximal strength and flexibility as well as various other factors if the training is properly designed. Some recommendations regarding the proper ranges of frequencies, amplitudes and exposure duration of vibration training are made based on the existing vibration training practice and mechanism analysis, although much work remains to be carried out in order to set up clear rules for various groups of people so that maximal training results could be expected and in the meantime potential dangerous effects could be avoided. Cardiovascular parameter measurements confirm that total peripheral resistance (TPR) to the blood flow is increased during body vibration. Hydrodynamic analysis offers the mechanism for the increase of TPR through the deformation of vessels. As a reaction of compensation, more capillaries are probably opened in order to keep a necessary level of cardiac output needed for the body, resulting in more efficient gas and material metabolism between the blood and muscle fibres. This might be one of the reasons for the various potential beneficial effects of vibration training.'

despite the fact that it’s possible for vibration training to aid athletic progress it wont be any better than emphatic, wise conventional approaches because it wont do anything different; and it can cause negatives, so…

for the purposes of health and wisdom and spending 9K, it’s crap.

Isn’t this thing basically an electro-stim unit. The same thing they use to treat sprained ankles and like those ab toys?

zeb, I have the solution to your problem : First, by now, I assume you realize this $8500 unit is crap, right ? OK, tell your wife that an internationally known fitness-engineer genius(that would be me)has studied the vibration phenomenon extensively,
specifically the “power plate”,
and has declared that there were no measurable benefits.

There ya go ! Just tell her you read this on T-Nation and she’s gotta believe you. I just saved you $8500. Now you can buy more 45 lb plates for yourself !! Sweet, eh ?

Power-Plate changes the acceleration factor
For years we tried to become stronger and healthier through weight training. Adding extra weight made the muscle adapt to this heavier load and become stronger. This is what the Greeks did in ancient times and this is what we still do. Now there is Power-Plate, where we change the acceleration factor instead of the weight with much less strain on the ligaments and muscular-skeletal system and no more long exhausting sessions.

Changes the acceleration factor? What, does the $8500 include a trip to Jupiter (where g=21.9 m/s^2)?

Sounds like some B.S. Zeb, if you would like, we could disect the claims made on this website one by one for your wife.

If you want, I will build you a vibrating platform for a lot less than $8500. Lets just say $4250. That sounds about fair. That would be about 1000% profit for me too!

Jeff

[quote]wufwugy wrote:
i figured id do a pubmed search.

here’s a study showing inefficiency of whole-body vibration training…

'Int J Sports Med. 2005 Oct;26(8):662-8. Related Articles, Links
Click here to read
Effects of whole body vibration training on muscle strength and sprint performance in sprint-trained athletes.

Delecluse C, Roelants M, Diels R, Koninckx E, Verschueren S.

Exercise Physiology and Biomechanics Laboratory, Faculty of Physical Education and Physiotherapy, Department of Kinesiology, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Leuven, Belgium.

Despite the expanding use of Whole Body Vibration training among athletes, it is not known whether adding Whole Body Vibration training to the conventional training of sprint-trained athletes will improve speed-strength performance. Twenty experienced sprint-trained athletes (13 male symbol, 7 female symbol, 17 - 30 years old) were randomly assigned to a Whole Body Vibration group (n = 10: 6 male symbol and 4 female symbol) or a Control group (n = 10: 7 male symbol, 3 female symbol). During a 5-week experimental period all subjects continued their conventional training program, but the subjects of the Whole Body Vibration group additionally performed three times weekly a Whole Body Vibration training prior to their conventional training program. The Whole Body Vibration program consisted of unloaded static and dynamic leg exercises on a vibration platform (35 - 40 Hz, 1.7 - 2.5 mm, Power Plate(R)). Pre and post isometric and dynamic (100 degrees /s) knee-extensor and -flexor strength and knee-extension velocity at fixed resistances were measured by means of a motor-driven dynamometer (Rev 9000, Technogym(R)). Vertical jump performance was measured by means of a contact mat. Force-time characteristics of the start action were assessed using a load cell mounted on each starting block. Sprint running velocity was recorded by means of a laser system. Isometric and dynamic knee-extensor and knee-flexor strength were unaffected (p > 0.05) in the Whole Body Vibration group and the Control group. As well, knee-extension velocity remained unchanged (p > 0.05). The duration of the start action, the resulting start velocity, start acceleration, and sprint running velocity did not change (> 0.05) in either group. In conclusion, this specific Whole Body Vibration protocol of 5 weeks had no surplus value upon the conventional training program to improve speed-strength performance in sprint-trained athletes.'

here’re two overviews that claim whole-body vibration training can be beneficial for athletes or whatnot, but little is understood and there are negative effects as well.

'J Strength Cond Res. 2005 May;19(2):459-66. Related Articles, Links
Click here to read
Vibration training: an overview of the area, training consequences, and future considerations.

Jordan MJ, Norris SR, Smith DJ, Herzog W.

Canadian Sport Centre-Calgary, University of Calgary, Calgary, Alberta T2N 1N4, Canada. mjordan@ucalgary.ca

The effects of vibration on the human body have been documented for many years. Recently, the use of vibration for improving the training regimes of athletes has been investigated. Vibration has been used during strength-training movements such as elbow flexion, and vibration has also been applied to the entire body by having subjects stand on vibration platforms. Exposure to whole-body vibration has also resulted in a significant improvement in power output in the postvibratory period and has been demonstrated to induce significant changes in the resting hormonal profiles of men. In addition to the potential training effects of vibration, the improvement in power output that is observed in the postvibratory period may also lead to better warm-up protocols for athletes competing in sporting events that require high amounts of power output. These observations provide the possibility of new and improved methods of augmenting the training and performance of athletes through the use vibration training. Despite the potential benefits of vibration training, there is substantial evidence regarding the negative effects of vibration on the human body. In conclusion, the potential of vibration treatment to enhance the training regimes of athletes appears quite promising. It is essential though that a thorough understanding of the implications of this type of treatment be acquired prior to its use in athletic situations. Future research should be done with the aim of understanding the biological effects of vibration on muscle performance and also the effects of different vibration protocols on muscle performance.'

'J Biomech. 2005 Apr 30; [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links
Click here to read
Vibration training: benefits and risks.

Mester J, Kleinoder H, Yue Z.

Institute of Training Science and Sport Informatics, German Sport University, Cologne, Germany.

The main results of our recent several studies, i.e. the measurements of vibration training results for single case and group studies as well as the cardiovascular parameter measurements during vibrations and the corresponding hydrodynamic analysis, are summarized. Our studies and previous work all confirm that vibration training is an effective training method in order to improve maximal strength and flexibility as well as various other factors if the training is properly designed. Some recommendations regarding the proper ranges of frequencies, amplitudes and exposure duration of vibration training are made based on the existing vibration training practice and mechanism analysis, although much work remains to be carried out in order to set up clear rules for various groups of people so that maximal training results could be expected and in the meantime potential dangerous effects could be avoided. Cardiovascular parameter measurements confirm that total peripheral resistance (TPR) to the blood flow is increased during body vibration. Hydrodynamic analysis offers the mechanism for the increase of TPR through the deformation of vessels. As a reaction of compensation, more capillaries are probably opened in order to keep a necessary level of cardiac output needed for the body, resulting in more efficient gas and material metabolism between the blood and muscle fibres. This might be one of the reasons for the various potential beneficial effects of vibration training.'

despite the fact that it’s possible for vibration training to aid athletic progress it wont be any better than emphatic, wise conventional approaches because it wont do anything different; and it can cause negatives, so…

for the purposes of health and wisdom and spending 9K, it’s crap.[/quote]

Oh I love this! Thanks man!

[quote]magyar wrote:
zeb, I have the solution to your problem : First, by now, I assume you realize this $8500 unit is crap, right ? OK, tell your wife that an internationally known fitness-engineer genius(that would be me)has studied the vibration phenomenon extensively,
specifically the “power plate”,
and has declared that there were no measurable benefits.

There ya go ! Just tell her you read this on T-Nation and she’s gotta believe you. I just saved you $8500. Now you can buy more 45 lb plates for yourself !! Sweet, eh ?[/quote]

Don’t think I didn’t consider this. Good offer.

[quote]Jeff Parsons wrote:
Power-Plate changes the acceleration factor
For years we tried to become stronger and healthier through weight training. Adding extra weight made the muscle adapt to this heavier load and become stronger. This is what the Greeks did in ancient times and this is what we still do. Now there is Power-Plate, where we change the acceleration factor instead of the weight with much less strain on the ligaments and muscular-skeletal system and no more long exhausting sessions.

Changes the acceleration factor? What, does the $8500 include a trip to Jupiter (where g=21.9 m/s^2)?

Sounds like some B.S. Zeb, if you would like, we could disect the claims made on this website one by one for your wife.

If you want, I will build you a vibrating platform for a lot less than $8500. Lets just say $4250. That sounds about fair. That would be about 1000% profit for me too!

Jeff[/quote]

Honestly from the bottom of my heart I would not spend $4.25 for this type of device. I’m just looking for ways out and I think you guys have given me some just by the many “anti Power Plate” posts.

Please keep them coming!

Buy her the darn thing and go out and get yourself a Harley…

Hi Zeb
Something for you to take into account; I came across these at a fitness expo in the UK a couple of years ago and after 5 mins of using these things we all (the team of instructors I work with) had headaches. Good calf massage though!

Yes, they are junk!

Regards Youch

[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
Buy her the darn thing and go out and get yourself a Harley…[/quote]

Or remove one of the legs from the washer and have her stand on it during the spin cycle.

[quote]pookie wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
Buy her the darn thing and go out and get yourself a Harley…

Or remove one of the legs from the washer and have her stand on it during the spin cycle.[/quote]

Whahahaha…you killed me with that one Pook!

Just saw this and had to post it.

Figured it wasn’t worth starting a new thread so I’d just bump this one

From the article:
"With her heavily muscled arms, you would be forgiven for thinking it is the result of a punishing exercise regime at the gym.

But it seems the Queen of Pop’s incredible shape is, in part, thanks to The Power Plate - dubbed the ‘miracle’ machine."

and

“The new exercise machine removes the need to actually work out.”

I think I’m gonna go buy a box of vibrators to stand on and try it out;)

I wonder if Zeb’s wife ended up getting the machine…

http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/5/f/5f3c7-Mueller-exerciser-belt-1930’s.jpg

Here’s something just as effective that you could buy for your wife for a lot less money.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
She’s your wife. This is what she wants.

So you have 2 options:
o You give it to her without putting up a fight.
o You give it to her after you put up a fight.

Which is it going to be?

Okay, I finally stopped laughig and can answer your post. My wife will listen to reason. Up to this point I have simply dismissed her pleas for this machine because I simply don’t think it works. And since the cost is $8,500 it is a major purchase.

She wants some logical reasons why it won’t work. She will respect the majority opinion of the T-Nation if there are some solid points to be made against machine.[/quote]

Given that it is a major purchase (?8500!!!) surely the burden of truth should be on your wife to prove that it does work, not for you to disprove it.

I happen to know a girl (Caroline Pearce - a fitness model you can look up on LA Muscle website) who works for Power Plate and markets this, I went to uni with her, although I am not really in contact with her anymore. I can tell you this - she built her hot body through years of competing in heptathlon, heavy weight lifting and even olympic lifting (i have seen her do this)… it has precisely fuck all to do with any vibration plate device.

You can buy a very sweet entire home gym for that sort of money, probably including a squat rack, weights, maybe even a treadmill or rowing machine. And you know and can prove that all that stuff really does work.

Why does she want this thing so much?

EDIT: Just realised how old this thread is… Would be interested to know if you got it though?