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[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]AquaCruzer wrote:
With your meet looming, do you plan on dropping weight? On that note, what are your thoughts on making weight for meets?[/quote]

I surprisingly lost 5-10lbs during my time on Sheiko, I’m back down to 210lbs. This was not my intention, but I’ve been getting stronger, so I’ll take it.

The USAPL has 2 hour weigh-in’s. There’s no way I’d be able to lose 12lbs and do well haha

My thoughts on making weight for meets, as Matt Rhodes once told me “Don’t cut even a single pound unless you’re going for a World Record”[/quote]

And how many years/failed cuts did it take you to accept that advice? :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]AquaCruzer wrote:
With your meet looming, do you plan on dropping weight? On that note, what are your thoughts on making weight for meets?[/quote]

I surprisingly lost 5-10lbs during my time on Sheiko, I’m back down to 210lbs. This was not my intention, but I’ve been getting stronger, so I’ll take it.

The USAPL has 2 hour weigh-in’s. There’s no way I’d be able to lose 12lbs and do well haha

My thoughts on making weight for meets, as Matt Rhodes once told me “Don’t cut even a single pound unless you’re going for a World Record”[/quote]

That is sound advice. Much appreciated.

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[quote]inkaddict wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:
My thoughts on making weight for meets, as Matt Rhodes once told me “Don’t cut even a single pound unless you’re going for a World Record”[/quote]
That is probably the BEST advice I’ve ever heard regarding weight dropping for a meet.

Kicking ass in here man. Looks like there are more and more people turning to Sheiko these days, which is awesome. Why do you think many people are “scared” of it and think there’s no way they could do it? Serious question, btw.[/quote]

Haha thanks man. I’ve also read up on the idea that stunted growth occurs whenever a lifter cuts weight before they’ve fully matured. Considering that I’m only 22, and that I only weight 210lbs at 5’7, I still haven’t fully filled out my frame for Powerlifting and have room to grow.

Haha, I wish I could say I was part of the trend, but I think Ben has more to do with other lifters going to Sheiko than me haha

As for people being afraid of Sheiko… I had a similar conversation with my Coach about it. I think it takes a certain type of person to do Sheiko long term, a mental toughness to keep going. I think this may be in part that for many, Powerlifting is just something to do, or a way to get bigger that doesn’t require doing pure bodybuilding methods. People want to have fun in their training and “mix it up” in their training (I have no idea why mixing it up is a good reason to change your programming) whereas Sheiko is extremely repetitive. On a subconscious level, I think most lifters’ egos are far bigger than their totals, a large criticism of Sheiko is that the progress is akin to 5/3/1 it’s at a snail’s pace, and prefer doing things like Westside where you can max out every week and believe that doing maximal or supramaximal lifts will get you there faster. I think this is incorrect and that strength gains are like muscle gains: it takes a longer than most people feel comfortable with to put 10, 20, 30 pounds on their lifts, hell even that much on their total for that matter.

I just planned out the next 26 weeks of Sheiko for my next meet, which will be USAPL Raw Nationals. I can’t imagine my competition nor many lifters in general that are ready to run the table and put that much preparation for one meet. So in conclusion, I think it’s mindset more than anything else. Yes the training hurts and you get sore, but that goes away after a while, I think the question needs to ask themselves when they want to take the plunge into Sheiko is “Am I ready to ascend to that next level of strength?”

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[quote]buckeye girl wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]AquaCruzer wrote:
With your meet looming, do you plan on dropping weight? On that note, what are your thoughts on making weight for meets?[/quote]

I surprisingly lost 5-10lbs during my time on Sheiko, I’m back down to 210lbs. This was not my intention, but I’ve been getting stronger, so I’ll take it.

The USAPL has 2 hour weigh-in’s. There’s no way I’d be able to lose 12lbs and do well haha

My thoughts on making weight for meets, as Matt Rhodes once told me “Don’t cut even a single pound unless you’re going for a World Record”[/quote]

And how many years/failed cuts did it take you to accept that advice? :p[/quote]

LOL

I think it’s been 3 failed weight cuts right?

The Lexen Fall Classic, that backyard South Carolina meet, and the first time I did the Europa: Battles of Champions?

Those are some funny stories if my readers are interested in laughing at my stupidity.

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[quote]AquaCruzer wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]AquaCruzer wrote:
With your meet looming, do you plan on dropping weight? On that note, what are your thoughts on making weight for meets?[/quote]

I surprisingly lost 5-10lbs during my time on Sheiko, I’m back down to 210lbs. This was not my intention, but I’ve been getting stronger, so I’ll take it.

The USAPL has 2 hour weigh-in’s. There’s no way I’d be able to lose 12lbs and do well haha

My thoughts on making weight for meets, as Matt Rhodes once told me “Don’t cut even a single pound unless you’re going for a World Record”[/quote]

That is sound advice. Much appreciated.[/quote]

Anytime luv <3

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]inkaddict wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:
My thoughts on making weight for meets, as Matt Rhodes once told me “Don’t cut even a single pound unless you’re going for a World Record”[/quote]
That is probably the BEST advice I’ve ever heard regarding weight dropping for a meet.

Kicking ass in here man. Looks like there are more and more people turning to Sheiko these days, which is awesome. Why do you think many people are “scared” of it and think there’s no way they could do it? Serious question, btw.[/quote]

Haha thanks man. I’ve also read up on the idea that stunted growth occurs whenever a lifter cuts weight before they’ve fully matured. Considering that I’m only 22, and that I only weight 210lbs at 5’7, I still haven’t fully filled out my frame for Powerlifting and have room to grow.

Haha, I wish I could say I was part of the trend, but I think Ben has more to do with other lifters going to Sheiko than me haha

As for people being afraid of Sheiko… I had a similar conversation with my Coach about it. I think it takes a certain type of person to do Sheiko long term, a mental toughness to keep going. I think this may be in part that for many, Powerlifting is just something to do, or a way to get bigger that doesn’t require doing pure bodybuilding methods. People want to have fun in their training and “mix it up” in their training (I have no idea why mixing it up is a good reason to change your programming) whereas Sheiko is extremely repetitive. On a subconscious level, I think most lifters’ egos are far bigger than their totals, a large criticism of Sheiko is that the progress is akin to 5/3/1 it’s at a snail’s pace, and prefer doing things like Westside where you can max out every week and believe that doing maximal or supramaximal lifts will get you there faster. I think this is incorrect and that strength gains are like muscle gains: it takes a longer than most people feel comfortable with to put 10, 20, 30 pounds on their lifts, hell even that much on their total for that matter.

I just planned out the next 26 weeks of Sheiko for my next meet, which will be USAPL Raw Nationals. I can’t imagine my competition nor many lifters in general that are ready to run the table and put that much preparation for one meet. So in conclusion, I think it’s mindset more than anything else. Yes the training hurts and you get sore, but that goes away after a while, I think the question needs to ask themselves when they want to take the plunge into Sheiko is “Am I ready to ascend to that next level of strength?”

[/quote]
Fucking perfect answer man, much appreciated. Oh, and you’re only 22? FML. LOL

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In your Sheiko plan leading up to the USAPL Raw Nationals are you planning on following certain Sheiko programs to the letter? I recall you substituting things like flies for rear delt work, how do you go about making such tweaks? Would you ever substitute one of the main lifts for a different variation, say SSB squats for squats? Sorry for the barrage of questions, you just seem to really know your stuff and are able to articulate what you know well.

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[quote]AquaCruzer wrote:
In your Sheiko plan leading up to the USAPL Raw Nationals are you planning on following certain Sheiko programs to the letter? I recall you substituting things like flies for rear delt work, how do you go about making such tweaks? Would you ever substitute one of the main lifts for a different variation, say SSB squats for squats? Sorry for the barrage of questions, you just seem to really know your stuff and are able to articulate what you know well.[/quote]

I plan on following all the CMS/MS plans in order (which is going to be the hardest thing I’ve done in my lifting career ha)

I’ll tweak the Supplemental and Developmental lifts like Dumbell Flyes for Rear Delt Work or Rack Pulls with Block Pulls.

I will not substitute the Competitive Lifts in the programming. You can do SSB Squats instead of Front Squats whenever the program calls for a Squat Variation, but the point of doing the competitive lifts so much is for practice and the neuromuscular adaptions. If you change the Competitive lifts for a variation, it’s not Sheiko.

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[quote]inkaddict wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]inkaddict wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:
My thoughts on making weight for meets, as Matt Rhodes once told me “Don’t cut even a single pound unless you’re going for a World Record”[/quote]
That is probably the BEST advice I’ve ever heard regarding weight dropping for a meet.

Kicking ass in here man. Looks like there are more and more people turning to Sheiko these days, which is awesome. Why do you think many people are “scared” of it and think there’s no way they could do it? Serious question, btw.[/quote]

Haha thanks man. I’ve also read up on the idea that stunted growth occurs whenever a lifter cuts weight before they’ve fully matured. Considering that I’m only 22, and that I only weight 210lbs at 5’7, I still haven’t fully filled out my frame for Powerlifting and have room to grow.

Haha, I wish I could say I was part of the trend, but I think Ben has more to do with other lifters going to Sheiko than me haha

As for people being afraid of Sheiko… I had a similar conversation with my Coach about it. I think it takes a certain type of person to do Sheiko long term, a mental toughness to keep going. I think this may be in part that for many, Powerlifting is just something to do, or a way to get bigger that doesn’t require doing pure bodybuilding methods. People want to have fun in their training and “mix it up” in their training (I have no idea why mixing it up is a good reason to change your programming) whereas Sheiko is extremely repetitive. On a subconscious level, I think most lifters’ egos are far bigger than their totals, a large criticism of Sheiko is that the progress is akin to 5/3/1 it’s at a snail’s pace, and prefer doing things like Westside where you can max out every week and believe that doing maximal or supramaximal lifts will get you there faster. I think this is incorrect and that strength gains are like muscle gains: it takes a longer than most people feel comfortable with to put 10, 20, 30 pounds on their lifts, hell even that much on their total for that matter.

I just planned out the next 26 weeks of Sheiko for my next meet, which will be USAPL Raw Nationals. I can’t imagine my competition nor many lifters in general that are ready to run the table and put that much preparation for one meet. So in conclusion, I think it’s mindset more than anything else. Yes the training hurts and you get sore, but that goes away after a while, I think the question needs to ask themselves when they want to take the plunge into Sheiko is “Am I ready to ascend to that next level of strength?”

[/quote]
Fucking perfect answer man, much appreciated. Oh, and you’re only 22? FML. LOL[/quote]

Ha, thank you man

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Doing the CMS in order is a poor idea at best. That would be 4/6/5 or 15 weeks of prep then 5 weeks of peaking so a 20 week cycle… Unless you do it with too low maxes, it is likely going to have negative effects and even with lower maxes it is not going to be a good use of time. You might gain soemthing, but it’s probably more efficient to run 8-12 weeks of prep. my 0.02.

Remember that there is no such thing as a sheiko spreadsheet… These ones you find online are just examples of something that an athlete might have done. You ought to be smart about setting it up to suit you, and not mindlessly follow some random spreadsheet for some other random guy some time ago.

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hahahahahahahahaha, oh man, this is good

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[quote]arramzy wrote:
Doing the CMS in order is a poor idea at best. That would be 4/6/5 or 15 weeks of prep then 5 weeks of peaking so a 20 week cycle… Unless you do it with too low maxes, it is likely going to have negative effects and even with lower maxes it is not going to be a good use of time. You might gain soemthing, but it’s probably more efficient to run 8-12 weeks of prep. my 0.02. Remember that there is no such thing as a sheiko spreadsheet… These ones you find online are just examples of something that an athlete might have done. You ought to be smart about setting it up to suit you, and not mindlessly follow some random spreadsheet for some other random guy some time ago.[/quote]

I appreciate the concern, but I intend to stick with my plan.

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[quote]BlueLineCretin wrote:
hahahahahahahahaha, oh man, this is good[/quote]

Which part?

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]BlueLineCretin wrote:
hahahahahahahahaha, oh man, this is good[/quote]

Which part?[/quote]

well, you handled that a little differently than i had anticipated. I’m sure you’ve posted your logs from IM, but i think it would behoove some people to actually read them.

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[quote]BlueLineCretin wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]BlueLineCretin wrote:
hahahahahahahahaha, oh man, this is good[/quote]

Which part?[/quote]

well, you handled that a little differently than i had anticipated. I’m sure you’ve posted your logs from IM, but i think it would behoove some people to actually read them.[/quote]

I’m still lost

Do you mean the poster saying how bad an idea doing MS plans are? Or substituting the main lifts? Or weight cuts?

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]BlueLineCretin wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]BlueLineCretin wrote:
hahahahahahahahaha, oh man, this is good[/quote]

Which part?[/quote]

well, you handled that a little differently than i had anticipated. I’m sure you’ve posted your logs from IM, but i think it would behoove some people to actually read them.[/quote]

I’m still lost

Do you mean the poster saying how bad an idea doing MS plans are? Or substituting the main lifts? Or weight cuts?[/quote]

Sorry buddy, i was referring to the poster questioning your MS plans. Having read your other logs and seeing the amount of time you put into planning your routines, it just struck me as funny.

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[quote]BlueLineCretin wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]BlueLineCretin wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]BlueLineCretin wrote:
hahahahahahahahaha, oh man, this is good[/quote]

Which part?[/quote]

well, you handled that a little differently than i had anticipated. I’m sure you’ve posted your logs from IM, but i think it would behoove some people to actually read them.[/quote]

I’m still lost

Do you mean the poster saying how bad an idea doing MS plans are? Or substituting the main lifts? Or weight cuts?[/quote]

Sorry buddy, i was referring to the poster questioning your MS plans. Having read your other logs and seeing the amount of time you put into planning your routines, it just struck me as funny.[/quote]

It’s quite alright, I thought I missed the joke or something for a second.

Yeah, I think it’s funny that someone would be worried if I burnt out or can’t handle a training plan. I understand how hard it’s going to be, I mean I have the total tonnage and volume charts right in front of me, the MS plans are going to suck, the first one especially.

However… this is why I said I’m running the table and putting everything into this plan because I feel my time for Powerlifting Greatness starts this year for me. I’ve learned enough under my Coaches about Periodization and I know how to manipulate the variables well enough to cater to my individuality.

I appreciate the concern, but think of this as a testament to my will, not only will I be fine during my next prep, but I’ll thrive under the system.

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Carlos, I want to hear all about your weight cutting fails. What’s your problem dood?

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Just stopping by to show support. Not really a PL’er or anything, but you seem to be both very strong, and very intelligent. I feel like as someone a lot less experienced, I’ll probably learn a lot just creeping in you log every so often. Keep it up, man.

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Friday

Bench Press, Competition Grip

55% 1x2 230lbs
65% 1x2 275lbs
70% 1x3 295lbs
80% 2x3 335lbs

Facepulls - 5x10

Squat, Beltless

55% 2x3 295lbs
65% 1x2 350lbs
70% 1x3 380lbs
75% 1x3 405lbs
80% 2x3 430lbs

GHR - 5x5