The Perfect Biotest Stack?

Diet and Nutrition
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Ok, for starters, I am not rich. I am a college student, which should say it all. However, I, like many others, like to dream and plan big. With this in mind, I began looking at Biotest supps and reading about each and planning the perfect stack.

So, if one were to follow a T-Dawg 2.0 diet, would this stack be the best possible? If not, what would you change? Has anyone taken this whole stack and wishes to comment on it? I just thought a centralized Biotest supplement post, with potential interactions and/or synergistic qualities, would not only be helpful, but eliminate some of the confusion that seems to be so inherent to a lot of T-Nation readers.

So, without further ado, here is what I think the perfect stack for mass/strength would be, as of right now:

The Supps~

Spike
Flameout
BCAA
Alpha Male
Rez-V
Carbolin 19
Methoxy-7
ZMA
Creatine
Surge
Power Drive
Grow! Whey
Metabolic Drive
Metabolic Drive Complete

The Schedules~

The way I would take them would be for weekdays, when I work out:

0:00 (Wake up) - Take Alpha Male, Methoxy-7, Rez-V
1:00 (Preworkout) - Spike, BCAA, Power Drive
1:30 (Workout) - Surge, BCAA
2:30 Finish workout
2:45 (Post workout) - Surge, Creatine, BCAA
3:45 - Grow! Whey
6:00 - Alpha Male
6:30 - Solid Meal
9:00 - Metabolic Drive Complete
11:30 - Methoxy-7
12:00 - Solid Meal
15:00 (1 Hour before bed) - ZMA
15:50 (Right before sleep)- Flameout, Metabolic Drive
16:00 - Sleep

This is what the weekends, non-workout days for me, would look like:

0:00 (Wake up) - Take Carbolin 19, Methoxy-7, Rez-V
0:30 - Grow! Whey
3:30 - Solid Meal
6:00 - Carbolin 19
6:30 - Solid Meal
9:30 - Solid Meal
11:00 - Methoxy-7
11:30 - Metabolic Drive Complete
15:00 (1 Hour before bed) - ZMA
15:50 (Right before sleep)- Flameout, Metabolic Drive
16:00 - Sleep

So that’s it. For the record, I would also take a multivitamin, ISS Super Vitamin Pak, but wanted to discuss Biotest supps and the best to take them and/or combine them. So, now tell me what stacks you have taken, what your perfect stack would be, what you would change about my stack and/or schedule, or anything else about Biotest supps. Let the games begin!

-Duffey

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DAMN! Can’t wait for the responses on this one. Would be nice if we had some of the top guys get in on this. Like, T&T.

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I personally think that would be a huge waste of money.

over 600$ a month on supplements? you must be an idiot

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Looks like you know what you’re doing. However, I’d be careful with the Spike and Alpha Male on the same day, since Alpha Male now contains Carbolin 19.

Personally, I’d just use Power Drive for a preworkout boost while using Alpha Male. It’s always done the trick for me.

Also, I noticed you said T-Dawg diet and then mentioned a stack for mass. So for the plan, the fork is your friend.

Good dreamin’.

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[quote]TRIPNATURE wrote:
I personally think that would be a huge waste of money.

over 600$ a month on supplements? you must be an idiot[/quote]

“However, I, like many others, like to dream and plan big.”

The guy’s just having a little fun, relax.

Like you don’t dream it’s Jamie Eason when you’re giving it to the last-call “lovely”.

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The perfect stack = every single Biotest supplement, period.

haha that’s awesome.

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[quote]atmosphere wrote:

Like you don’t dream it’s Jamie Eason when you’re giving it to the last-call “lovely”.[/quote]

Classic

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If you are going to take all that stuff you might want to time your Spike and Power Drive differently. I think the suggestion from Cy or Tim was to have Spike 4 hours before Power Drive as Power Drive can reduce the effects of Spike.

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[quote]helga wrote:
If you are going to take all that stuff you might want to time your Spike and Power Drive differently. I think the suggestion from Cy or Tim was to have Spike 4 hours before Power Drive as Power Drive can reduce the effects of Spike.[/quote]

So, either take Spike when I wake up, 4 hours later take Power Drive, and then workout, or take Spike before i work out, and 4 hours after that, like after my workout, take Power Drive for cns?

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[quote]atmosphere wrote:
Looks like you know what you’re doing. However, I’d be careful with the Spike and Alpha Male on the same day, since Alpha Male now contains Carbolin 19.

Personally, I’d just use Power Drive for a preworkout boost while using Alpha Male. It’s always done the trick for me.

Also, I noticed you said T-Dawg diet and then mentioned a stack for mass. So for the plan, the fork is your friend.

Good dreamin’.[/quote]

Although, I thought it was said not to take Spike and Carbolin 19 because of the sclaremax and the potential vasodilatory effect, so wouldnt it be ok now to take together? Cause I wouldn’t be taking the Spike on the weekends with pure Carbolin 19.

The reason I said T Dawg was cause I have done the AD and other low carb diets, and I tend to do better, whether physiologically or simply mentally, with higher carbs to go along with all the meats and eggs. That way I can have my Surge too. So, T-Dawg seems like a much better fit. Why, is there a better diet for mass that would compliment or just plain go with these supps better?

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You know, while looking at this mass stack, a cut stack wouldn’t be much different, depending on your goals. If you add in HRX, take out Alpha Male, Spike, and Carbolin 19 by itself, you are no burning fat faster. You could even take in more or less protein to simulate a velocity-style diet, with no solid meals, or an anabolic-style diet with only meats, eggs, nuts, protein shakes, olive oil, etc. This is really cool since I’ve always figured, misguided or not, that taking supps from the same company, especially one as phenomenal as Biotest, would work better than mix and matching different companies since you never know what active, or even inactive ingredients would interact with each. When everything is one uniform company, however, you can’t help but feel that there will be an additive property at least, if not synergistic. Just a thought.

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I’d actually skip the Alpha Male and buy the ingredients individually.

-TRIBEX Gold (I’d rekon that the tribulus in this has a bit more “bite” than in the AM)

-RED KAT (still sold elsewere)

-Vitex Angus Castus

-Drop the stand-alone Carbolin 19

That way the stack’s a bit more potent, and you’d be able to add in the HOT-ROX Extreme.

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I posted this in another recent thread. I do beleive that this would be the ideal situation to have if you ever win the Lottery, and didn’t want to use AAS.

-TRIBEX gold
-RED KAT (still available at other sites)
-Rez-V
-Vitex Angus Castus
-ZMA
-HOT-ROX Extreme
-Methoxy-7 (12 caps/day)
-BCAA’s (30g/day)
-Surge + creatine (2 servings with each workout)
-Power Drive pre/post each workout
-Charles Poliquin’s glutamine regiment for maximizing GH levels
-Super high dose HMB (TC even admitted once that it can work but only at very high, very expensive daily doses)
-Quit your day job to focus entirely on training and recovery
-Dietary/training consulting from JB’s Science Link
-Personal training services simply to load/unload all weights for you, give good spots, and provide aditional motivation
-Personal chef to cook all daily meals using only organic/free range foods
-Weekly ART/deep tissue sessions
-Daily naps

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[quote]Soldierslim wrote:
I posted this in another recent thread. I do beleive that this would be the ideal situation to have if you ever win the Lottery, and didn’t want to use AAS.

-TRIBEX gold
-RED KAT (still available at other sites)
-Rez-V
-Vitex Angus Castus
-ZMA
-HOT-ROX Extreme
-Methoxy-7 (12 caps/day)
-BCAA’s (30g/day)
-Surge + creatine (2 servings with each workout)
-Power Drive pre/post each workout
-Charles Poliquin’s glutamine regiment for maximizing GH levels
-Super high dose HMB (TC even admitted once that it can work but only at very high, very expensive daily doses)
-Quit your day job to focus entirely on training and recovery
-Dietary/training consulting from JB’s Science Link
-Personal training services simply to load/unload all weights for you, give good spots, and provide aditional motivation
-Personal chef to cook all daily meals using only organic/free range foods
-Weekly ART/deep tissue sessions
-Daily naps

[/quote]

Geez, wouldn’t steroids and food be cheaper, less confusing, and produce better results?

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Wow. This is why the general public squirms at anyone drinking a protein shake. You have taken supplements to a whole new level of retard.

You’re in college. You’re shit young. You’re probably skinny/moderately-sized depending on how long you’ve been working out and eating a lot, and you’re thinking, probably subconsciously, that taking these supplements will make you hyooge without putting in as much work.

I doubt you have the base you need to start taking all this shit. Leave it to the pro athletes and bodybuilders. Stick to any MRP to fulfill your daily protein needs, Surge post-workout, because it’s basically a meal, and go lift and eat.

The only things I’d consider acceptable for you to take are Flameout and ZMA, and I’d steer clear of ZMA unless you have a zinc/magnesium deficiency or you have trouble sleeping.

Save your money for strippers.

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You guys are no fun, sound like some grumpy old men.

The OP wanted to have a little roleplay, fantasy type shit regarding supplements.

Is this not a thinktank? Can we just have a little fun, and simply discuss taking completely absurd amounts of shit and/or having one’s life revolve around training?

Are you trying to tell me that if you won the Lottery, and for some reason refused to use AAS, you wouldn’t just try the above stack for a month simply for the hell of it?

So what of some of it doesn’t work? So what if you piss half of it out? You’re rich bitch!!

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[quote]danmaftei wrote:
Wow. This is why the general public squirms at anyone drinking a protein shake. You have taken supplements to a whole new level of retard.

You’re in college. You’re shit young. You’re probably skinny/moderately-sized depending on how long you’ve been working out and eating a lot, and you’re thinking, probably subconsciously, that taking these supplements will make you hyooge without putting in as much work.

I doubt you have the base you need to start taking all this shit. Leave it to the pro athletes and bodybuilders. Stick to any MRP to fulfill your daily protein needs, Surge post-workout, because it’s basically a meal, and go lift and eat.

The only things I’d consider acceptable for you to take are Flameout and ZMA, and I’d steer clear of ZMA unless you have a zinc/magnesium deficiency or you have trouble sleeping.

Save your money for strippers.[/quote]

OK, I ignored the first poster who said this is ridiculous cause I did not want this thread to turn into a debate over whether or not to use supps or how much. This was supposed to be a place to discuss who has taken what Biotest supps, what supps can not or should not be taken together, and also to discuss the best way to take them. The BCAA thread and the 2x4 thread both have people taking ridiculous amounts of supps, yet no one complained. In fact, it was even said taking/doing some of it was better than none at all. So if we talk about the best way to stack/take these supps, the take home message for people would be how to best take what you can afford. I would really like to hear from people who have taken some or all of these supps, and not from people who are old, fat, and too poor to take a multi. I’m not saying any of you or any of these things, but lets stay on topic here, ok?

BTW, I am an amatuer bodybuilder who refuses to take anything illegal, so legal supps are the only choice. And, as for my stats, I know none of you will believe anything I say, and will continue to think I am some skinny, scrawny kid, but for the record, I am 215, 5’10", 9.6% bf and have placed in three teen natural bb competitions. So I’m not some scrawny kid who doesn’t know what I’m talking about. And, just to reiterate, this is if you had enough money. I never said I was going to take it, in fact, I said I’m not rich, but I like to dream and plan big. Read the post before you condemn. Thanks to everyone else who actually tried to be helpful.

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And as for my work ethic…I work hella hard. I’d like to see anyone my age outwork me in the gym. However, because I train so hard and frequently, the supps could help not only with maximizing my growth potential and keeping me in an anabolic state, but also with recovering faster so I either don’t overtrain, or can work out more frequently or even longer. Aren’t those the only reasons why anyone educated would take supps anyway?

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Dude, danmaftei, you’re and idiot. I’ve gone to school with Geneticsynergy9 since high school and trust me he’s like 3 times the size of your skinny ass. He’s one of the biggest guys I know. I’m a regular sized kid, not even close to looking anything like a bodybuilder, and I’m bigger than you. Plus I’ve worked out with him and he’s a beast in the gym. He knows his shit, he’s not some dumbass meathead tryin to get huge. Next time maybe you should do a little research before you downplay other peoples’ knowledge that’s greater than yours.

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Genetic… You and I think exactly alike (as far as supplements). That supplement stack and schedule is exactly what I had in mind:) I think its perfect… except I substitute the standalone Carbolin 19 and Spike with HRX…everything else is good.