What Supps To Take.

Diet and Nutrition
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I’m secondary Hypo and take 100mg of T cyp on Mon and Thursday. I also take arimidex on those days.

When Flameout is in stock I plan on buying it.

what othere supps do I need.

My goal is to lose weight I’m 6’7" 325 bf 20+

I’m not worried about muscle size as much as keeping my strength. If I could weigh 240 and still bench 405 that would be great!!!

I play softball alll over the country and need to be able to play all day.

I want some weight off my knees.

NOXplode gives me heart palpitations so nothing like that.

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For fat loss I would suggest HOT-ROX Extreme which will compliment the HRT program you are on. Read the article for it in the T-Nation store.

D

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I take protein. But reading this site I should be taking 1 of everything in the store.

What is a conservative approach to all these supplements.

I went through the big tub of Cell Mass in January My weight went from 325 - 340 My bench went from 1 rep at 315 - 6 reps at 315

Since I’m on HRT I gain weight and muscle real easy.

I want to lose weight. If My muscle shrinks that is ok just as long as I can still stay strong.

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The key to fat loss is calorie reduction combined with increased calorie burning. No supplement needed for that. However, a product like HOT-ROX Extreme is intended to ramp up the fat burning effect and amount when covering the two aforementioned areas. From your original post it sounds like that is what you want. You weigh 340 pounds? Your 315 for six would be more impressive if you weighed 240.

D

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Well, if you’re planning on losing some muscle size, I’d wager you’ll lose some strength as well. The trick is to maintain as much muscle as you can, while whittling away at your fat.
I’m taking HOT-ROX currently, and I dont know if it’s the Carbolin 19 in it, by I dont seem to be losing any muscle size, and may even have added a bit while on a diet.

S

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[quote]speedswing wrote:
I take protein. But reading this site I should be taking 1 of everything in the store.

What is a conservative approach to all these supplements.

I went through the big tub of Cell Mass in January My weight went from 325 - 340 My bench went from 1 rep at 315 - 6 reps at 315

Since I’m on HRT I gain weight and muscle real easy.

I want to lose weight. If My muscle shrinks that is ok just as long as I can still stay strong.[/quote]

If the Biotest products were as good as they say they are they wouldnt have to make training programs based on thier supplements to move more product. Because people would be ripping them off ther shelves

If you want to lose weight and keep strength or get stronger move your carbs into breakfast and post workout.

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[quote]n3wb wrote:
If the Biotest products were as good as they say they are they wouldnt have to make training programs based on thier supplements to move more product. Because people would be ripping them off ther shelves
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You’ll have to explain this as it doesn’t make any sense to me.

Supplements don’t take the place of training.

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Typical attitude. Take the supplements, and don’t provide the ‘change’ necessary to fully utilize it.

There’s a reason Biotest doesn’t have zillions of ads in every f*cking muscle magazine… people who know what they’re doing try them, realize that they’re some of the best stuff out there, and they tell other people. They don’t need to publish an entire magazine of ‘6 page ad-reports’ to move their shit (Musclemag anyone? -lol).

S

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[quote]Mod Brian wrote:
n3wb wrote:
If the Biotest products were as good as they say they are they wouldnt have to make training programs based on thier supplements to move more product. Because people would be ripping them off ther shelves

Supplements don’t take the place of training.[/quote]

Ok, the velocity diet is made out of all T-Nation supplements. I remember reading a article saying if your not going to use our sups dont bother you have to do it the right way.

I found that funny considering the supps were alot of money. And its not like you couldnt use mroe or less the same thing with a different brand for alot less.

This to me is creating programs to move more product.

theres also the The Super-Accumulation Program.

Im sure there are a shit load of other things like this that I havent seen, seeing how I have only been on here for a little more than a year.

What I was initialy trying to get acros is none of these supps are needed and people were strong as hell and big as hell long before these sups came out. So when people ask what they should be takeing I try my best to give them a new perspective on them.

Hope this is more understandable.

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Well if you notice that most of Biotests product line is simple basic stuff. THey don’t go claiming that their Whey powder is 500% better than ordinary Whey.

Add to that the fact that most of the writers and contributers on here are pretty much established and respected professionals, I imagine they would want their clients to utilize the best quality products to ensure the best results.

Or, look at it this way, Most supplement companies try to find gimicks with some totally obscure science to get people to buy their products. If Biotest is indeed one of the few that pays attention to what some of the top coaches and exercise researchers recommend, what’s the problem with that?! $27 for tub of Metabolic Drive protein that not only tastes great, but is an excellent blend of Casein and Whey powders similar to the original MetRx formula.

When I worked as a trainer, I would recommend the supplements to my clients that I used myself and felt would provide excellent results. As such, if I could design a diet around basic supplements that I knew would help, damn straight I would.

Of course people dont need supplements for results, but I’ll be the first of many to tell you, it’s a helluva lot easier for me to meet the nutritional requirements I set for myself, and recovery from my workouts with a few powders and pills thrown in than if I had to actually eat 2 chicken breasts and steamed broccoli every 2 hours all day long.
You sound like an inexperienced little kid with your statements.

-S

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This doesn’t really concern me, and I don’t post often, but, there’s a reason his name is n3wb.

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[quote]n3wb wrote:

If the Biotest products were as good as they say they are they wouldnt have to make training programs based on thier supplements to move more product. Because people would be ripping them off ther shelves

If you want to lose weight and keep strength or get stronger move your carbs into breakfast and post workout.

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If you want to optimize gains, I strongly believe you need to do something more than a simple moving of your carbs into breakfast and post workout. Supplements are very important; people just have to understand how THEIR body works…i.e. not every supplement will work for THEM. But how would you know unless you at least try?

In all my years of training and dieting, I can straightforwardly say that Biotest products are the tops when compared to ANY other companies products I have taken. And I have taken alot of all types of supplements. Yes, I could buy cheaper high grade proteins, but they won’t mix or be as palatable as Metabolic Drive for example.

Prices are also VERY reasonable for the quality of the ingredients used.

It isn’t necessary to take ALL of them; like I wrote above, it is important to find out which ones work best for YOU.

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[quote]n3wb wrote:
Mod Brian wrote:
n3wb wrote:
If the Biotest products were as good as they say they are they wouldnt have to make training programs based on thier supplements to move more product. Because people would be ripping them off ther shelves

Supplements don’t take the place of training.

Ok, the velocity diet is made out of all T-Nation supplements. I remember reading a article saying if your not going to use our sups dont bother you have to do it the right way.

I found that funny considering the supps were alot of money. And its not like you couldnt use mroe or less the same thing with a different brand for alot less.

This to me is creating programs to move more product.

theres also the The Super-Accumulation Program.

Im sure there are a shit load of other things like this that I havent seen, seeing how I have only been on here for a little more than a year.

What I was initialy trying to get acros is none of these supps are needed and people were strong as hell and big as hell long before these sups came out. So when people ask what they should be takeing I try my best to give them a new perspective on them.

Hope this is more understandable.
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I will agree with you on the fact that Biotest is trying to showcase their products; but the training and dieting programs specified will work with similiar type of products. Because of this, I wouldn’t really say Biotest is creating programs exclusively to sell product.

It’s their website, so for goodness sake they can pimp their stuff if they want. If they were pimping something that just plain is unhealthy or is “watered down”, then I wouldn’t support them or this site nor would anyone else.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Well if you notice that most of Biotests product line is simple basic stuff. THey don’t go claiming that their Whey powder is 500% better than ordinary Whey.[/quote]

So you assume Im talking about whey? And not the other 50 supplements they sell. How about BETA-7 the difference between 8 reps and 10. Talk about Surge being great for recovery how about throwing a banana in with some milk and whey.

Funny I have never seen them advertiseing anything other than Biotest supps, are you realy trying to say that they belive Biotest flat out has the world best supplements? I have a feeling that if this place was being sponsored by a different company we would be getting articles writen about their supps. Its a buisness for fucks sake.

If Im correct those top coaches are on the pay role being payed to write articles for this site. And this site sells Biotest supps. Im sure the coaches are doing the best they can to write good articles and give good programs but that dosent change what Im saying.

Ok thats your choice, but I highly doubt they did it because they knew it would work. Because I can write a program in the next 5 minutes involveing whole food and a different brand name of supps wich will no doubt be just as effective as the velocity diet.

Wich is why I brough up the fact that the author said to use out supplements for the diet or dont bother. Because you cant do the same damn thing with regular whey and a different brand of fishoil. oh wait…

You are talking about protein wich can come from any where. Only a ass would say protein dosent do anything. I get 72 scoops of whey for around 20$ or I can pay 27$ from here and get 46 scoops. I said Biotest supps arent all they are built up to be, not protein is worthless unless you get it from beef and chicken.

And Im sure Biotest supps work to some degree just not enough to spend my money on, show me one person who would benefit more from these supplements than a better diet. NO ONE so I dont feel the need to prescribe sups to people, like you do.

Had to insult me didnt you? I supose scott mendelson and Andy Bolton are inexperienced to? Im Prety sure that they dont take Biotest supplements. Maybe they just dont want to be big and strong, silly inexperienced losers benching 700+lbs raw and deadlifting 1000lbs. If only they had your wisdom.

It might be painfull to some of you that you can make the same or more progress by eating some dohnuts post workout than Surge but no need to throw a fit and go insulting people.

You know something else? Dave tate is probably the strongest author on the site and he knows and gets information from the strongest and some of the largest people in the world. I dont remember him talking about any of the Biotest supplements.

Im realy dont like bashing Biotest supps and I wouldnt have gone to this extent if I wasnt asked to explain and then insulted by this guy but I guess thats how it goes.

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[quote]n3wb wrote:
Ok, the velocity diet is made out of all T-Nation supplements. I remember reading a article saying if your not going to use our sups dont bother you have to do it the right way.[/quote]

Metabolic Drive and Flameout. The other fat and fiber supplements, would be a different company.

There is a lot of difference between a Micellar Casein/WPI product and, say, ON Whey Protein, or really, most of the protein products out there. You can call them “more or less the same thing,” which is really just a way of admitting they’re different, but acting like you don’t believe it.

Those bastards. It’s almost as though Biotest is a company that manufactures things that they wish to sell!

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[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
n3wb wrote:
Mod Brian wrote:
n3wb wrote:
If the Biotest products were as good as they say they are they wouldnt have to make training programs based on thier supplements to move more product. Because people would be ripping them off ther shelves

Supplements don’t take the place of training.

Ok, the velocity diet is made out of all T-Nation supplements. I remember reading a article saying if your not going to use our sups dont bother you have to do it the right way.

I found that funny considering the supps were alot of money. And its not like you couldnt use mroe or less the same thing with a different brand for alot less.

This to me is creating programs to move more product.

theres also the The Super-Accumulation Program.

Im sure there are a shit load of other things like this that I havent seen, seeing how I have only been on here for a little more than a year.

What I was initialy trying to get acros is none of these supps are needed and people were strong as hell and big as hell long before these sups came out. So when people ask what they should be takeing I try my best to give them a new perspective on them.

Hope this is more understandable.

I will agree with you on the fact that Biotest is trying to showcase their products; but the training and dieting programs specified will work with similiar type of products. Because of this, I wouldn’t really say Biotest is creating programs exclusively to sell product.

It’s their website, so for goodness sake they can pimp their stuff if they want. If they were pimping something that just plain is unhealthy or is “watered down”, then I wouldn’t support them or this site nor would anyone else. [/quote]

Agreed Im just happy I can come here and learn.

Im just sayin if you never took a supplement from here and you asked people about them, you would want the truth right?

Look at Alpha Male, you would think its steroids by reading it.

http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1054351

Alot of people said it had no affect on them, wouldnt you want to know this if you were considering ordering it?

People get angry when I give them a different perspective.

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[quote]Mr. Clean & Jerk wrote:
n3wb wrote:
Ok, the velocity diet is made out of all T-Nation supplements. I remember reading a article saying if your not going to use our sups dont bother you have to do it the right way.

Metabolic Drive and Flameout. The other fat and fiber supplements, would be a different company.

I found that funny considering the supps were alot of money. And its not like you couldnt use mroe or less the same thing with a different brand for alot less.

There is a lot of difference between a Micellar Casein/WPI product and, say, ON Whey Protein, or really, most of the protein products out there. You can call them “more or less the same thing,” which is really just a way of admitting they’re different, but acting like you don’t believe it.

This to me is creating programs to move more product.

Those bastards. It’s almost as though Biotest is a company that manufactures things that they wish to sell![/quote]

I once read a dave tate article where he said the secret to his size and strength was due to getting lots of Micellar Casein Metabolic Drive and Flameout.

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[quote]n3wb wrote:

Agreed Im just happy I can come here and learn.

Im just sayin if you never took a supplement from here and you asked people about them, you would want the truth right?
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Totally with you here dude.

Sure. But that’s what these boards are for, right? Alot of people go to the forum discussing the particular supplement where people can indicate if it works or doesn’t. That doesn’t mean Biotest has to put up a calculated percentage of how many respond and how many don’t to their product.

It’s like I mentioned above, different things work for different people. No 2 people are really the same.

And for that matter, there are also alot of people who think Alpha Male is the schiznits (that’s a good thing) and who would support the items written in that article introducing the product.

And they really shouldn’t. Look, I have to give you some kudos and props with respect to defending your position in a very civil manner (or as best as you could). I also think it’s quite good to have a healthy amount of skepticism to anything that is written or stated as if it were in stone.

However, I think if we keep in mind that Biotest is trying to promote their stuff which they truly believe in, then we can probably forgive some “salesmanship” that pretty much in ANY product sold today.

Bottom line for me is I am very grateful for Biotest’s pursuit of worthy bodybuilding/powerlifting supplementation and using scientific research to help them move forward with product development.

Are they the only company out there doing this? Of course not. But they are one of the good guys, and I think we should really support the good guys.

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[quote]n3wb wrote:

So you assume Im talking about whey? And not the other 50 supplements they sell. How about BETA-7 the difference between 8 reps and 10. Talk about Surge being great for recovery how about throwing a banana in with some milk and whey.
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Hey man, I dont take Surge, I eat a f*cking Poptart post workout -lol,… No one says you have to take all, or even any of their supplements

[quote]n3wb wrote:

Funny I have never seen them advertiseing anything other than Biotest supps, are you realy trying to say that they belive Biotest flat out has the world best supplements? I have a feeling that if this place was being sponsored by another company we would be getting articles writen about their supps. Its a buisness for fucks sake.
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Yeah, but then every article would be called a “6 page ad-report”

[quote]n3wb wrote:

Ok thats your choice, but I highly doubt they did it because they knew it would work. Because I can write a program in the next 5 minutes involveing whole food and a different brand name of supps wich will no doubt be just as effective as the velocity diet.

Wich is why I brough up the fact that the author said to use out supplements for the diet or dont bother. Because you cant do the same damn thing with regular whey and a different brand of fishoil. oh wait…
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This may come as a shock to you, but that’s what most people do anyway. I certainly cant afford all the cool supplements I’d like to, so you look at whats in the product that the author’s suggesting, consider WHY, and do what you can… most people on this site are pretty smart.

[quote]n3wb wrote:
You are talking about protein wich can come from any where. Only a ass would say protein dosent do anything. I get 72 scoops of whey for around 20$ or I can pay 27$ from here and get 46 scoops. I said Biotest supps arent all they are built up to be, not protein is worthless unless you get it from beef and chicken.
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Dude, if you’re comparing Simple $20 Whey protein to the blend in Met Drive then you really dont understand basic protein absorption rates and how to best make use of them.

[quote]n3wb wrote:
And Im sure Biotest supps work to some degree just not enough to spend my money on, show me one person who would benefit more from these supplements than a better diet. NO ONE so I dont feel the need to prescribe sups to people, like you do.
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I don’t prescribe supplements to people,… of course if someone is looking for things to improve, or enhance what they’re already doing, there are many suggestions. ask yourself… are you content with what you have been doing? IF YOU ALWAYS DO WHAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE, YOU WILL ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE GOTTEN (look at your profile photos and think about that. This is not an insult, but hopefully a suggestion)

You sound like an inexperienced little kid with your statements.

[quote]n3wb wrote:
Had to insult me didnt you? I supose scott mendelson and Andy Bolton are inexperienced to? Im Prety sure that they dont take Biotest supplements. Maybe they just dont want to be big and strong, silly inexperienced losers benching 700+lbs raw and deadlifting 1000lbs. If only they had your wisdom.
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If you think saying that your comment makes you sound like an inexperienced little kid, then you most likely are. I’ve made zillions of stupid comments, and if I continue to disagree with someone, I’ll defend it and accept their differing viewpoint. And the last time I checked, you weren’t Scott Mendelson or Andy Bolton. Just like I’m not Dorian Yates, for as much as I practice my Brittish accent while doing deads, it ain’t gonna happen brother, and it’s not because I’m using a different protein powder than he does. (lol)

[quote]n3wb wrote:

It might be painfull to some of you that you can make the same or more progress by eating some dohnuts post workout than Surge but no need to throw a fit and go insulting people.
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(again, I dont use Surge, I actually use Poptarts and Whey, but I know enough to know that as much as a doughnut would be tastey, the fat content would slow the quick absorption of the whey, and I wouldnt benefit the most from my post workout nutrition,… but you already knew that didn’t ya)

[quote]n3wb wrote:
Im realy dont like bashing Biotest supps and I wouldnt have gone to this extent if I wasnt asked to explain and then insulted by this guy but I guess thats how it goes.
[/quote]

Dude, you’re on a Biotest sponsored Website that provides soooooooo much information (for Free by the way), and you complain about their products, just what were you expecting?

S

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[quote]n3wb wrote:

Ok thats your choice, but I highly doubt they did it because they knew it would work. Because I can write a program in the next 5 minutes involveing whole food and a different brand name of supps wich will no doubt be just as effective as the velocity diet.

[/quote]

I’m calling BS on that statement.

n3wb, the whole beauty of the V-Diet is ease of execution.

No thinking, no measuring…just scoop, mix and drink.

There is just no way a whole food diet using the exact macros of the V-Diet could be executed with ease and simplicity the way the V-Diet does it.

It’s for people that want ease of preparation and simplicity with all the nutrients they need to lose fat and retain muscle. That just isn’t the case with a whole food diet. Measuring, preparation, storage. Those are all factors that have room for error. The V-Diet is just purely simple and effective.