I didn’t see much wrong with that deadlift. If you get an explanation from him, please share it so that we can learn too.
Gnarly track workout. Personally, I think its a good idea to have one track workout and in exchange you can run free the rest of the time.
YEAH especially if it’s a PR it’s bound to be a little off, but it wasn’t really so bad at all??
Strange response from pullup guy regarding your DL, in my opinion.
It’s so super important to focus on form during regular training, when you’re repping away. But it’s perfectly normal for form to slip some during maximal pulls. If it doesn’t, you’re probably nowhere near your max. And I don’t even think your form is bad on that pull. So I find his response more than odd. When I pull a max effort with ugly form and comment on it to my coach, he always responds: “Did you make the lift?” At that level, that’s all that matters.
I should not take things out of context. He also said this: “The good thing is even though it wasn’t great, it didn’t look hard. Like Rippetoe says, you can be wrong if you’re strong.”
Quick explanation re pullup guys comments–his explanation to me–as I understand it.
2.I don’t think he thinks that 265 is at or close to my max. I have pulled 275 before. He thinks I’m capable of more than that, and probably right now. Thus, the degree of form breaks back rounding through the entire lift, not pulling back on the bar, are not justified.
His point is simply, I could do better than 265 if my form was better. 265 looks like it is at or near my max with my current set up. But it should not be.
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No training today. But, I’ll probably do a just for me fun run.
[quote]Nadia Comeandeat wrote:
I don’t think he thinks that 265 is at or close to my max.
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I agree with him.
[quote]Nadia Comeandeat wrote:
2. Also, I don’t set up correctly, at all, in the sense of getting tight. No big breath. [/quote]
I agree here too. You look like you’re bending over to pick up a piece of fine china. And you put it down as delicately as well. I don’t see a lot of tension in your body. Eventually, you’ll probably need to learn how to build more tension before you begin the pull. That being said, it works for you at this weight and you pull far more than I.
I fucking hate when I miss your tirades!! HAHA! But fine…
I’m glad that you posted what your coach said, as I’m delving into the PL type stuff I like seeing everyone’s form and hearing the positive AND the negative critiques, as well as what I think you may have done vs. what the experts say. This is good learning for me. So thank you, Nadia!! I don’t know shit, so this is helpful.
Did he give you any recs, cues, whatever to help you set up tighter?
Btw, you’re so freaking strong! I’ll have to agree with coach that you got waaaay more in you. So I’d be excited to see what happens if your heed his advice on the setup.
Anyways, awesome work. And I personally thought that his response was perfect! Both salty and sweet, just like little chocolate covered pretzel…YUM!
Oh wait! Looks like I didn’t miss a tirade and I see what the coach recommended. Nice!! Duly noted, madame.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
[quote]Nadia Comeandeat wrote:
I don’t think he thinks that 265 is at or close to my max.
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I agree with him.
[quote]Nadia Comeandeat wrote:
2. Also, I don’t set up correctly, at all, in the sense of getting tight. No big breath. [/quote]
I agree here too. You look like you’re bending over to pick up a piece of fine china. And you put it down as delicately as well. I don’t see a lot of tension in your body. Eventually, you’ll probably need to learn how to build more tension before you begin the pull. That being said, it works for you at this weight and you pull far more than I.[/quote]
I appreciate that, Snap. Thanks.
I haven’t paid attention to form at all on my own. Pullup guy cares about form. What’s worse, as you note, my instincts when lifting aren’t great. Before a heavy DL, I relax. Take a deep breath, Exhale (see I’m relaxing) and then pull. I don’t ever think to bring tension back to my body. My focus is quieting the mind, which I do by relaxing my body.
you need some of my rage. lol. i can’t see the video (fuck you T-Nation), but from the sounds of it, all you need is a little rage. get god damn fucking angry, and rip someone’s heart out! my two cents. lol
Re: tension, pull the slack out of the bar before you pull it off the ground.
his comments made sense…
Awesome pull. I do agree that you need to get more angry. I am surprised you can pull that much looking so relaxed!
Cal: I’ve heard that before, but I don’t get it. Is it like a little ineffective pull before you really pull? Hmm.
Frenchie: yeah, pullup guy is good. He knows his shit.
Dani: I have always thought that emotion interferes with athletic performance. So, my strategy has always been to try to stay comfortably relaxed. Maybe powerlifting is different. But, I don’t like being angry. If I had to feel Deadlifting like I do when I’m driving–I wouldn’t want to do it. With that said, I think you can lift with tension–ie keep your body tight while your mind is focused and relaxed. That’s what I need to work on I guess.
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Training.
So, I’ve been deloading.
Gymnastics on Wed. No progress to report on my casts. Also worked on beam–trying to connect a cartwheel step through to a back walkover. It was very interesting to try to work those skills in combination. I enjoyed it. I never actually connected them, but I liked the experience of my head not being able to keep up with what my body was doing–ie no time for thinking–just going and moving and trusting my body.
Also, I’m not sure if this will make sense to anyone but me–but I had the experience of recognizing myself on wed at gymnastics. I think in our minds we are all a certain age–the age that we were at our best. For me, emotionally and intellectually I am 26. That’s when I came into my own and became really sure of who I was and what I wanted. Physically, I think I’m 13. I think my body should work and feel like it did then. When it was at my best. And I’ve been trying to get there. It’s quite a trick transforming a 41 year old body that spent years doing too much of one thing (steady state cardio) into the body of a 13 year old gymnast who was training more 12-16 hours a week. But, I haven’t given up on the idea. And damn if I’m not getting closer to it.
Running. I’ve been doing that during my deload too. 8 miles today. Longest I have run in awhile. Hilly course. I felt really good–smooth up and down the hills–like my legs were wheels.
Tomorrow I’ll hit the track for some speed work. I’m not sure what I’m going to do there. I’m keeping the speed work random. My skills are lagging here. Gotta just keep going.
I do most of my lifting comfortably relaxed, and have a lot of trouble tapping into the angry while lifting (plenty of other instances when it’s not at all an issue, sigh). I have found though that angry helps. Those times when it’s too heavy or I’m too tired angry is what gets me through. It tends to be anger at myself, like “the fuck? You did this last time!” but anger none the less. All that to say, I totally understand where you’re coming from and think you should keep angry in your back pocket for occasional use.
I don’t know that I’ve had a perfect age. I was a fatty until my early 20s. Hopefully that means it’s yet to come?
Happy lifting and running. I’ve been listening to the propaganda!
It sounds to me that you are training to get a feeling. And that you are making progress on getting to it. Great! Its good days on the beam and on the road that make up for the more challenging times.
8 miles of hills…yeah! I need help figuring out how to run downhill.
hmm… wendler? or tate? might have been tate… talked about how when it came time for max effort 1RM kinda stuff zippy did the lift for him. i get something like that. like with standing up heavy cleans / 1-3RM squats. there comes that moment whether either i give up or i close my eyes and go numb and the lift gets done. sometimes with a bit of a roar.
snatches… i used to amp up purposely. when i trained them frequently what i most needed for them was aggression, aggression, aggression. that was the difference between my finishing the pull and making the lift or not. controlled fire, apparently, that is (ideally) what a snatch is supposed to be.
you lift calm for reals? um… how?? is that how you do the high rep thing? i simply can’t do high reps… the torture… the agony… coming to learn that i have absolutely no idea how to pace myself at all.
Pulling the slack out of the bar - basically it gets you to engage your lats and upper back muscles before you get started for real. I find it a useful cue for myself since I tend to roundback.
I like the idea of “no time for thinking” - I think that’s one of the great thing about athletics. Sometimes not thinking, and just doing yields the best results.
And I also can’t channel anger when I lift, Its simply not who I am. I think its partly due to my athletic training, anger isn’t something you channel when you play soccer. But then again maybe I haven’t lifted anything heavy enough? In any case, for me its a similar headspace, Nadia - clear mind, tighten muscles, set in place, lift weight. Kind of like watching a snake recoil before its prey. I like it because its methodological in a way, and I myself can be quite methodological. In the soundtrack of my head I would be playing, Ravel’s Bolero or Rachmaninoff’s Prelude in g Minor.
Nice job on the running! 8 miles sounds lovely. I haven’t done a long run in a loooong time. Could be a nice change.
Keep up the awesome work!
But wait, I thought we gave the big “F YOU” to beam?
I read ‘cartwheel back walkover’ and shuddered. I would rather do anything…ANYTHING, other than a cartwheel series. Kudos to you. Beam series are a good way to learn to trust yourself and let the flow take over.
I went to see my old team compete yesterday and realized that all these years later, I (we) are still jumping into spandex every weekend to be judged. Must be some deep Freudian thing that needs to be figured out.
Great job on the running. You almost. almost. make me miss putting in long runs on the weekends. Coach LK approves 