[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I mean like a bowl of soup and a cot for the night.
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Just curious: What would you do if he came back the next evening looking again for that food and cot?[/quote]
Same thing we do for every needy person, give if we can…for about a week.
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Then they go across town to another misguided church for the next week, and so on.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I mean like a bowl of soup and a cot for the night.
[/quote]
Just curious: What would you do if he came back the next evening looking again for that food and cot?[/quote]
We do have a fund that allows us to buy people bus fairs back to Mexico/Central America (it is included in our run-away program, we get a discount with Grey Hound–since we help them with their run-away program and we buy tickets in volume). Which we send between 10-15 illegals back a month. [/quote]
Interesting. Do you put them on the bus and wave good-bye, or do they have an escort that crosses the border with them?
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I mean like a bowl of soup and a cot for the night.
[/quote]
Just curious: What would you do if he came back the next evening looking again for that food and cot?[/quote]
We do have a fund that allows us to buy people bus fairs back to Mexico/Central America (it is included in our run-away program, we get a discount with Grey Hound–since we help them with their run-away program and we buy tickets in volume). Which we send between 10-15 illegals back a month. [/quote]
Interesting. Do you put them on the bus and wave good-bye, or do they have an escort that crosses the border with them? [/quote]
It’s actually interesting what happens when they get bussed to the border, and this is for those who willingly go home (not via law enforcement). Apparently, when they get to the border, before they get off the bus, they are asked for their papers. Those who do not provide legal documents are fingerprinted and identified. They have been told that if they come back, they can be charged with illegal reentry, which is a felony and probably 12-24 months in Federal Prison. It has been a HUGE issue here in Los Angeles, as we have probably 40% of all the illegal aliens in the country here. The protests against Secure Communities is astounding, which means it’s working. When La Raza protests something heavily, it means it’s working.
I think Jan Brewer should be given an award for making it OK to deport people. She was smart in that she took away the political taboo of deporting illegals.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
And a major reason the Catholic Church is so fervent in helping these people is because the overwhelming majority of them are financial supporters. [/quote]
Where is your proof? Make a claim, back it up.[/quote]
have seen a couple figures, but most say around 70% of latinos are catholic
http://www.nhclc.org/news/latino-religion-us-demographic-shifts-and-trend
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Having illegal cleaning ladies and giving someone food, water, and a bed to sleep in for the night is much different. You both don’t see that?
It’s more like fixing the broken leg of a bear than it is feeding the bear. Big difference. Really you don’t see it?[/quote]
No if you were fixing a broken leg that would be a good analogy. That is not what you are doing, you are teaching them that they can do what they are doing and it is fine. Eventually teach them that if people don’t just open their doors and give to them, they are in the wrong. Creating an even greater entitlement mentality and more of a problem.
I think it’s funny that the underlying cause of all illegal immigrants is being over looked: cheap labor.
I’ll bet that MOST of you railing against the illegal immigrants HATE unions and any labor organization almost as much as you hate the illegal immigration.
I guess you want a magic fairy to wave her magic wand and have the fruit pick itself?
If you want illegal immigration to go away, PAY AN AMERICAN A FAIR WAGE TO DO THE SAME LABOR. A wage they can LIVE on.
But you want an open market and LESS regulation, right?
If you want illegal immigrants to go away, COMPEL companies/corporations to pay their employees a LIVABLE WAGE. With the unemployment rate as high as it is, you’d have plenty of US citizens lining up for those jobs.
BUT, you will then complain that now the cost of the goods and services will go up, right? Well guess what? YOU CAN’T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS! Either Pay for the cost of US citizens doing the labor and STFU, OOOOOR endure the fact that illegal immigrants will do the work for peanuts, tax our system without contributing, and that SOME will commit crimes (just like there are some US citizens that will commit crimes) BUT keep the cost of goods and services they way they currently are.
Full disclosure: I am still a card carrying member of IBEW Local 26 (Electrical workers) even though I haven’t been paid to touch a screwdriver in years. I know many non-union electricians who cant afford to even live in the city that they work in.
Regarding the OP, I think passing laws allowing officers to stop people and check their papers and then prosecute those who unknowingly aid, abet and harbor “enemies of the state” LOL is a WEE BIT on the Fascist side for my taste. This is the USA, not 1936 Germany.
What if there is a homeless person person at the intersection and I give him a dollar - are they going to arrest me for not checking his immigration status? How does one become qualified to check ALL people’s immigration status? I know that as a bartender, even if someone presents me with a fake ID and I serve them alcohol, if they are underage I AM STILL LIABLE. I see this as a HUGE slippery slope that will simply be used to generate MORE fines and missed days of work to be in court for law abiding regular people. It’s bullshit - we need LESS laws and more freedom, not an other excuse for the government to interfere with our lives, cuz that’s exactly what this law will enable.
it works the other way around.
As long as you can hire illegals to do these jobs, these jobs will be underpayed.
And, as long as the americans doesn’t want to get these underpayed jobs themselves, someone will import cheap (and illegal) labor.
You want less mexicans on your territory ? work like a mexican.
or better yet, make two or three sons who will work like mexicans.
that, or enjoy the low prices and shut up.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I think it’s funny that the underlying cause of all illegal immigrants is being over looked: cheap labor.
I’ll bet that MOST of you railing against the illegal immigrants HATE unions and any labor organization almost as much as you hate the illegal immigration.
I guess you want a magic fairy to wave her magic wand and have the fruit pick itself?
If you want illegal immigration to go away, PAY AN AMERICAN A FAIR WAGE TO DO THE SAME LABOR. A wage they can LIVE on.
But you want an open market and LESS regulation, right?
If you want illegal immigrants to go away, COMPEL companies/corporations to pay their employees a LIVABLE WAGE. With the unemployment rate as high as it is, you’d have plenty of US citizens lining up for those jobs.
BUT, you will then complain that now the cost of the goods and services will go up, right? Well guess what? YOU CAN’T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS! Either Pay for the cost of US citizens doing the labor and STFU, OOOOOR endure the fact that illegal immigrants will do the work for peanuts, tax our system without contributing, and that SOME will commit crimes (just like there are some US citizens that will commit crimes) BUT keep the cost of goods and services they way they currently are.
Full disclosure: I am still a card carrying member of IBEW Local 26 (Electrical workers) even though I haven’t been paid to touch a screwdriver in years. I know many non-union electricians who cant afford to even live in the city that they work in.
Regarding the OP, I think passing laws allowing officers to stop people and check their papers and then prosecute those who unknowingly aid, abet and harbor “enemies of the state” LOL is a WEE BIT on the Fascist side for my taste. This is the USA, not 1936 Germany.
What if there is a homeless person person at the intersection and I give him a dollar - are they going to arrest me for not checking his immigration status? How does one become qualified to check ALL people’s immigration status? I know that as a bartender, even if someone presents me with a fake ID and I serve them alcohol, if they are underage I AM STILL LIABLE. I see this as a HUGE slippery slope that will simply be used to generate MORE fines and missed days of work to be in court for law abiding regular people. It’s bullshit - we need LESS laws and more freedom, not an other excuse for the government to interfere with our lives, cuz that’s exactly what this law will enable.[/quote]
What’s wrong with hiring LEGAL immigrants to do the work…or does the work ethic go away as soon as citizenship is achieved?
[quote]kamui wrote:
it works the other way around.
As long as you can hire illegals to do these jobs, these jobs will be underpayed.
And, as long as the americans doesn’t want to get these underpayed jobs themselves, someone will import cheap (and illegal) labor.
You want less mexicans on your territory ? work like a mexican.
or better yet, make two or three sons who will work like mexicans.
that, or enjoy the low prices and shut up. [/quote]
You bastardize the situation as is typical of the liberal media…it’s NOT about wanting LESS MEXICANS…it’s about wanting less ILLEGAL MEXICANS.
Understand?
I am all for more mexican workers as long as they are legal.
[quote]You bastardize the situation as is typical of the liberal media…it’s NOT about wanting LESS MEXICANS…it’s about wanting less ILLEGAL MEXICANS.
Understand?[/quote]
yep
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I am all for more mexican workers as long as they are legal.[/quote]
then legalize them.
My solution to the problem…
Perform an ICE raid at the worksite, arrest those who cannot prove they are in the country legally, and audit the employment forms. Should illegals be found to be working at the jobsite, the employer is will be told to join E-Verify or face fines. Then deport the illegals who were working there. You solve the problem at both ends, knowing that businesses will be checking to see that employers are legal, and the threat of deportation, will cause many illegals to not even risk going there. Word will get around, that E-Verify is being used, and ICE is raiding and deporting people, they will leave since the risk is too great. This strategy was used at a plant here in Southern California, within hours of the raid, people were showing up with their resume to fill those jobs. Over 200 illegals were deported, and within 2 days the company had rehired people at those positions with very little drop off in output, and the company now uses E-Verify.
[quote]kamui wrote:
then legalize them.
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Yes, and encourage yet even MORE illegal immigration. No thank you.
[quote]
Yes, and encourage yet even MORE illegal immigration. No thank you.[/quote]
since the number of mexicans on your territory is not a problem, according to you, the answer is easy : legalize them too. Legalize them all.
No more illegals.
Easy.
or maybe you have a problem with the number of mexicans on your territory, after all.
but it’s ok.
I fully acknowledge your right to protect your borders and control immigration fluxes.
I was just stating the reasons why that won’t happen.
[quote]kamui wrote:
[quote]
Yes, and encourage yet even MORE illegal immigration. No thank you.[/quote]
since the number of mexicans on your territory is not a problem, according to you, the answer is easy : legalize them too. Legalize them all.
No more illegals.
Easy.
or maybe you have a problem with the number of mexicans on your territory, after all.
but it’s ok.
I fully acknowledge your right to protect your borders and control immigration fluxes.
I was just stating the reasons why that won’t happen.[/quote]
It’s not about “mexicans” it’s about ANY illegal immigrant. Russian, Chinese, Indian…all the same.
There are finite resources, if you just give them all away, the resource is gone and the herd of locusts just moves onto the next field.
I am for protecting the resource…sorry if you want to give everything you have away…I work to hard to do that.
[quote]kamui wrote:
[quote]
Yes, and encourage yet even MORE illegal immigration. No thank you.[/quote]
since the number of mexicans on your territory is not a problem, according to you, the answer is easy : legalize them too. Legalize them all.
No more illegals.
Easy.
or maybe you have a problem with the number of mexicans on your territory, after all.
but it’s ok.
I fully acknowledge your right to protect your borders and control immigration fluxes.
I was just stating the reasons why that won’t happen.[/quote]
Why bother having a border ? Seriously, explain this shit to me.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I mean like a bowl of soup and a cot for the night.
[/quote]
Just curious: What would you do if he came back the next evening looking again for that food and cot?[/quote]
Same thing we do for every needy person, give if we can…for about a week.
After that they need to show they are trying to get on their feet, and if they can’t then they need to let us know so that we can help them if it is because of disability, elderly, &c.
We do have a fund that allows us to buy people bus fairs back to Mexico/Central America (it is included in our run-away program, we get a discount with Grey Hound–since we help them with their run-away program and we buy tickets in volume). Which we send between 10-15 illegals back a month.
Why do you ask?[/quote]
I wondered how long you provide “help” to someone without asking any questions.[/quote]
Week.
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
It’s really not that big of a difference.
You’re still leaving out the cheese in both scenarios – and cheese is cheese.
But if you insist on creating a distinction, I see two options:
STOP ENABLING, AIDING & ABETTING!
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Sorry, I’m not going to ignore a moral duty of helping persons that are needy.
And, I don’t enable, get over it.
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
misguided church[/quote]
Least my Church helps the sick, poor, and hungry.
…still a moral duty to help persons in need. If they are found to be illegal we send their picture to other soup kitchens/homeless centers.
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I mean like a bowl of soup and a cot for the night.
[/quote]
Just curious: What would you do if he came back the next evening looking again for that food and cot?[/quote]
We do have a fund that allows us to buy people bus fairs back to Mexico/Central America (it is included in our run-away program, we get a discount with Grey Hound–since we help them with their run-away program and we buy tickets in volume). Which we send between 10-15 illegals back a month. [/quote]
Interesting. Do you put them on the bus and wave good-bye, or do they have an escort that crosses the border with them? [/quote]
We would call ICE or the Sheriff Department, but they haven’t been very helpful (as in more focused on the worse of the illegal aliens/houses full of them instead of just single persons and small families). But, what I have heard from the bus drivers most of them go all the way into Mexico.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
these people[/quote]
latinos
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Yes, I am Latin(o?) and I am Catholic. What is your point?
Is your problem with Latin people? Because if that’s the case…Come at me, bro!