The Nation's Cruelest Immigration Law?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
I agree with the new Alabama law. Now, I’d really be impressed if they actually enforced it — and sent the bill to the Federal Government for failing to protect the border in the first place.

The good churches have plenty of other opportunities to show their love, grace, mercy, etc. – go to U.S. citizens in need in the jails, hospitals, poor neighborhoods, schools, etc. It shouldn’t be difficult to find U.S. citizens that would benefit from a little churchly attention. Or, if they really wanted to be helpful to the illegal immigrants, they could escort the illegals back to where they came from, or at least to deportation officers, but I’m sure that would become problematic.

If you really want to talk CRUELTY – what about the nasty rape/murders performed by illegals on U.S. soil? There have been several in my area in NJ over the past several years.[/quote]

So, you’re saying that because they are not American, and specifically illegal immigrants, mostly considering those from south of the border, that they are not persons who should be helped when in need? Interesting.

And my Church does go to jails/prisons, hospitals, poor neighborhoods, and schools (we actually own hospitals and schools).

What does your Church of eighteen links do?[/quote]

I think you are giving loaded statements.

I think there is a point where helping the needy and giving in to their demands are not the same.

Anyone can ask for help, but no one is obligated to say yes. If accommodating people burdens me, then it is within my right to say no to helping them. Not to mention that there is a legal avenue to come here. The same country’s that complain about policies of deportation actually deport more than we do. They also have even less tolerant policies than we do (someone look up Mexico’s immigration laws, and it makes you wonder why they even open their mouth on the subject).

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One of the other bastardizations of the Congress/powers that be is the ignorance of the 14th amendment and the anchor babies, who are NOT citizens of the United States. They are as illegal as the parents that jump the border and have them [wherever]. This disturbing fact has led to the nauseating “How can you break up families?” question.

The politicians have really spent us and sold us out.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I think you are giving loaded statements.
[/quote]

I’m not smart enough to give loaded statements. But, I have to ask which one are you referring to?

If you mean enabling them, then I agree. I don’t mean giving them a renewing food card/apartment/&c. I mean like a bowl of soup and a cot for the night.

I’ll try and find the statement by the Church, but a state (country) has the right to legislate its borders and those who immigrant into it to protect itself culturally, politically, and other stuff. They also have the responsibility to legislate that in the best interest of citizens.

I have no problem with that, like I pointed out I am a fan of SB 1070 and sent letters and called the senators about it. I just don’t imagine that I’d like to be prosecuted just because I take someone to Mass, give them a meal, or a glass to drink and a cot to sleep on for the night and they end up being illegally here.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I’ll try and find the statement by the Church, but a state (country) has the right to legislate its borders and those who immigrant into it to protect itself culturally, politically, and other stuff. They also have the responsibility to legislate that in the best interest of citizens.

I have no problem with that, like I pointed out I am a fan of SB 1070 and sent letters and called the senators about it. I just don’t imagine that I’d like to be prosecuted just because I take someone to Mass, give them a meal, or a glass to drink and a cot to sleep on for the night and they end up being illegally here. [/quote]

If you don’t want more birds, don’t feed them or give them a place to stay. Same applies. The reason people are opposed to you helping is because these people begint o think this is how they should be treated and then feel entitled to it. Then they move in get on welfare and get pissed when you don’t let steal your shit.

You are like th idiots in new jersey that feed the bears, bitch when they get shot for going in peoples gardens and barns, and don’t understand when they kill the kids. Then the scum bag government people send the new jersey problem bears to us. Hell they did that with freakin katrina. paid to move up the drug dealers, gave them money and paid for housing for them in areas with desent working people and then wondered why the area went to hell.

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I’ll try and find the statement by the Church, but a state (country) has the right to legislate its borders and those who immigrant into it to protect itself culturally, politically, and other stuff. They also have the responsibility to legislate that in the best interest of citizens.

I have no problem with that, like I pointed out I am a fan of SB 1070 and sent letters and called the senators about it. I just don’t imagine that I’d like to be prosecuted just because I take someone to Mass, give them a meal, or a glass to drink and a cot to sleep on for the night and they end up being illegally here. [/quote]

If you don’t want more birds, don’t feed them or give them a place to stay. Same applies. The reason people are opposed to you helping is because these people begint o think this is how they should be treated and then feel entitled to it. Then they move in get on welfare and get pissed when you don’t let steal your shit.

You are like th idiots in new jersey that feed the bears, bitch when they get shot for going in peoples gardens and barns, and don’t understand when they kill the kids. Then the scum bag government people send the new jersey problem bears to us. Hell they did that with freakin katrina. paid to move up the drug dealers, gave them money and paid for housing for them in areas with desent working people and then wondered why the area went to hell. [/quote]

Good analogy. I actually feel guilty and embarrassed now about when I had illegal cleaning ladies. I thought I was doing something good for both of us, but I really had no clue. (mea culpa)

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[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I’ll try and find the statement by the Church, but a state (country) has the right to legislate its borders and those who immigrant into it to protect itself culturally, politically, and other stuff. They also have the responsibility to legislate that in the best interest of citizens.

I have no problem with that, like I pointed out I am a fan of SB 1070 and sent letters and called the senators about it. I just don’t imagine that I’d like to be prosecuted just because I take someone to Mass, give them a meal, or a glass to drink and a cot to sleep on for the night and they end up being illegally here. [/quote]

If you don’t want more birds, don’t feed them or give them a place to stay. Same applies. The reason people are opposed to you helping is because these people begint o think this is how they should be treated and then feel entitled to it. Then they move in get on welfare and get pissed when you don’t let steal your shit.

You are like th idiots in new jersey that feed the bears, bitch when they get shot for going in peoples gardens and barns, and don’t understand when they kill the kids. Then the scum bag government people send the new jersey problem bears to us. Hell they did that with freakin katrina. paid to move up the drug dealers, gave them money and paid for housing for them in areas with desent working people and then wondered why the area went to hell. [/quote]

Good analogy. I actually feel guilty and embarrassed now about when I had illegal cleaning ladies. I thought I was doing something good for both of us, but I really had no clue. (mea culpa) [/quote]

Sorry wasn’t saying everyone from NJ is an idiot, if that is how it came across. Just happen to be alot more who don’t understand that what they percieve as kindness could be hurting those around them.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I mean like a bowl of soup and a cot for the night.
[/quote]

Just curious: What would you do if he came back the next evening looking again for that food and cot?[/quote]

or left your house the next day and that evening raped and mutilated a 5 year old girl in her bedroom. Bit chunks out of her neck, abdomin and thighs. But she lived, all because some moron gave an illegal with a history of violent behavior a reason to stay around and feel entitled to special treatment as fugitive criminal, and illegal alien. Because that is what illegal aliens are, fugitive criminals, and you helping them is no better.

If that was my daughter, after I sufficiently finished of the illegal, I would be using some justice on the one who kept him around, as described in the song “simple man” by charlie daniels.

"As far as I’m concerned there ain’t no excuse
For the raping and the killing and the child abuse
And I’ve got a way to put an end to all that mess

Just take them rascals out in the swamp
Put 'em on their knees and tie 'em to a stump
Let the rattlers and the bugs and the alligators do the rest"

And a major reason the Catholic Church is so fervent in helping these people is because the overwhelming majority of them are financial supporters.

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I’ll try and find the statement by the Church, but a state (country) has the right to legislate its borders and those who immigrant into it to protect itself culturally, politically, and other stuff. They also have the responsibility to legislate that in the best interest of citizens.

I have no problem with that, like I pointed out I am a fan of SB 1070 and sent letters and called the senators about it. I just don’t imagine that I’d like to be prosecuted just because I take someone to Mass, give them a meal, or a glass to drink and a cot to sleep on for the night and they end up being illegally here. [/quote]

If you don’t want more birds, don’t feed them or give them a place to stay. Same applies. The reason people are opposed to you helping is because these people begint o think this is how they should be treated and then feel entitled to it. Then they move in get on welfare and get pissed when you don’t let steal your shit.

You are like th idiots in new jersey that feed the bears, bitch when they get shot for going in peoples gardens and barns, and don’t understand when they kill the kids. Then the scum bag government people send the new jersey problem bears to us. Hell they did that with freakin katrina. paid to move up the drug dealers, gave them money and paid for housing for them in areas with desent working people and then wondered why the area went to hell. [/quote]

Good analogy. I actually feel guilty and embarrassed now about when I had illegal cleaning ladies. I thought I was doing something good for both of us, but I really had no clue. (mea culpa) [/quote]

Sorry wasn’t saying everyone from NJ is an idiot, if that is how it came across. Just happen to be alot more who don’t understand that what they percieve as kindness could be hurting those around them. [/quote]

LOL I didn’t really take it that way. I was feeling like a dunce before your good analogy came along. Of course, many people won’t like the comparison of PEOPLE to ANIMALS…but those are the exact people who have no clue what we are really dealing with here.

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I mean like a bowl of soup and a cot for the night.
[/quote]

Just curious: What would you do if he came back the next evening looking again for that food and cot?[/quote]

or left your house the next day and that evening raped and mutilated a 5 year old girl in her bedroom. Bit chunks out of her neck, abdomin and thighs. But she lived, all because some moron gave an illegal with a history of violent behavior a reason to stay around and feel entitled to special treatment as fugitive criminal, and illegal alien. Because that is what illegal aliens are, fugitive criminals, and you helping them is no better. [/quote]

Right again. Most (not all) the rape/murders by illegals around me in NJ were against their own people. But still, who wants that shit happening in their town? Every illegal is a fugitive criminal and thief of our collective resources.

Back to the OP, the Churches suing Alabama are totally clueless.
It’s called aiding and abetting. And like I said before, I’ll be impressed if they consistently enforce the law and send the bill to the Feds for failing to protect the border.

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BC - I see what you’re saying, and I agree that if we jail someone for coming here illegally (which we should), then yes we should cloth, feed, and house them. Keep something in mind (and I say this from having been in 5 county jails and 3 Federal Correctional Institutions), the idea of food, clothing, and housing is rather subjective in the eyes of the law.

In other words, what they call food, I call a lab experiment. Being given shelter (in their minds) is reminiscent of sleeping in a cell that is about as nasty and filthy of the worst gas station bathroom imaginable. And I am sure that it’s meant to be that way, if you give them the Hilton treatment, then they come back.

I agree with SB 1070 too, and it is Constitutional, especially after a recent SCOTUS ruling that says E-Verify does not preempt the Feds. I think when you stop offering so many entitlements, so many perks, and are willing to deport people, the incentive to come here illegally is diminished. Leave no cheese around, and the mice look elsewhere.

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You guys should see the new tech that the FBI is rolling out as for Homeland Security and identifying people, some truly Star Trek type shit. I was put through this after I was released from the joint, facial recognition, iris scan, palm print scan, and the capability of holding DNA info. Counterfeiting fake ID’s just got a whole lot harder.

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[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I’ll try and find the statement by the Church, but a state (country) has the right to legislate its borders and those who immigrant into it to protect itself culturally, politically, and other stuff. They also have the responsibility to legislate that in the best interest of citizens.

I have no problem with that, like I pointed out I am a fan of SB 1070 and sent letters and called the senators about it. I just don’t imagine that I’d like to be prosecuted just because I take someone to Mass, give them a meal, or a glass to drink and a cot to sleep on for the night and they end up being illegally here. [/quote]

If you don’t want more birds, don’t feed them or give them a place to stay. Same applies. The reason people are opposed to you helping is because these people begint o think this is how they should be treated and then feel entitled to it. Then they move in get on welfare and get pissed when you don’t let steal your shit.

You are like th idiots in new jersey that feed the bears, bitch when they get shot for going in peoples gardens and barns, and don’t understand when they kill the kids. Then the scum bag government people send the new jersey problem bears to us. Hell they did that with freakin katrina. paid to move up the drug dealers, gave them money and paid for housing for them in areas with desent working people and then wondered why the area went to hell. [/quote]

Good analogy. I actually feel guilty and embarrassed now about when I had illegal cleaning ladies. I thought I was doing something good for both of us, but I really had no clue. (mea culpa) [/quote]

Having illegal cleaning ladies and giving someone food, water, and a bed to sleep in for the night is much different. You both don’t see that?

It’s more like fixing the broken leg of a bear than it is feeding the bear. Big difference. Really you don’t see it?

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I mean like a bowl of soup and a cot for the night.
[/quote]

Just curious: What would you do if he came back the next evening looking again for that food and cot?[/quote]

Same thing we do for every needy person, give if we can…for about a week.

After that they need to show they are trying to get on their feet, and if they can’t then they need to let us know so that we can help them if it is because of disability, elderly, &c.

We do have a fund that allows us to buy people bus fairs back to Mexico/Central America (it is included in our run-away program, we get a discount with Grey Hound–since we help them with their run-away program and we buy tickets in volume). Which we send between 10-15 illegals back a month.

Why do you ask?

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:
And a major reason the Catholic Church is so fervent in helping these people is because the overwhelming majority of them are financial supporters. [/quote]

Where is your proof? Make a claim, back it up.

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:
And a major reason the Catholic Church is so fervent in helping these people is because the overwhelming majority of them are financial supporters. [/quote]

Here is what the “Catholic Church” is so fervent about:

The Church sees the right in every human person, in its dual aspect of the possibility to leave one’s country and the possibility to enter another country to look for better conditions of life. At the same time, States have the right to regulate migration flows and to defend their own frontiers, always guaranteeing the respect due to the dignity of each and every human person. Immigrants, moreover, have the duty to integrate into the host Country, respecting its laws and its national identity.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
BC - I see what you’re saying, and I agree that if we jail someone for coming here illegally (which we should), then yes we should cloth, feed, and house them. Keep something in mind (and I say this from having been in 5 county jails and 3 Federal Correctional Institutions), the idea of food, clothing, and housing is rather subjective in the eyes of the law.

In other words, what they call food, I call a lab experiment. Being given shelter (in their minds) is reminiscent of sleeping in a cell that is about as nasty and filthy of the worst gas station bathroom imaginable. And I am sure that it’s meant to be that way, if you give them the Hilton treatment, then they come back.

I agree with SB 1070 too, and it is Constitutional, especially after a recent SCOTUS ruling that says E-Verify does not preempt the Feds. I think when you stop offering so many entitlements, so many perks, and are willing to deport people, the incentive to come here illegally is diminished. Leave no cheese around, and the mice look elsewhere.[/quote]

Exactly, I have been saying for many years that if you remove government “cheese” then those who are looking to suck off the teet of the government will leave, those who want to make something of themselves and help our economy will stay and become citizens or get visas for work. I like Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s witness hotline, as well.

I have called in to the line four times this summer after finding a house full of illegals in my neighborhood. Cleaned up good.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I’ll try and find the statement by the Church, but a state (country) has the right to legislate its borders and those who immigrant into it to protect itself culturally, politically, and other stuff. They also have the responsibility to legislate that in the best interest of citizens.

I have no problem with that, like I pointed out I am a fan of SB 1070 and sent letters and called the senators about it. I just don’t imagine that I’d like to be prosecuted just because I take someone to Mass, give them a meal, or a glass to drink and a cot to sleep on for the night and they end up being illegally here. [/quote]

If you don’t want more birds, don’t feed them or give them a place to stay. Same applies. The reason people are opposed to you helping is because these people begint o think this is how they should be treated and then feel entitled to it. Then they move in get on welfare and get pissed when you don’t let steal your shit.

You are like th idiots in new jersey that feed the bears, bitch when they get shot for going in peoples gardens and barns, and don’t understand when they kill the kids. Then the scum bag government people send the new jersey problem bears to us. Hell they did that with freakin katrina. paid to move up the drug dealers, gave them money and paid for housing for them in areas with desent working people and then wondered why the area went to hell. [/quote]

Good analogy. I actually feel guilty and embarrassed now about when I had illegal cleaning ladies. I thought I was doing something good for both of us, but I really had no clue. (mea culpa) [/quote]

Having illegal cleaning ladies and giving someone food, water, and a bed to sleep in for the night is much different. You both don’t see that?

It’s more like fixing the broken leg of a bear than it is feeding the bear. Big difference. Really you don’t see it?[/quote]

It’s really not that big of a difference.
You’re still leaving out the cheese in both scenarios – and cheese is cheese.
But if you insist on creating a distinction, I see two options:

  1. Let the illegal ‘tribe’ fix the broken legs of their own.
  2. Let the immigration authorities fix the broken legs while they are exiting the US

STOP ENABLING, AIDING & ABETTING!