[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
Allen Iverson in the NFL??? hahahahah[/quote]
You do realize he was the Virginia state hs football player of the year as a junior and was being recruited by all of the national powerhouse programs, right?[/quote]
it still doesn’t mean much to me, high school talent doesn’t translate to NFL talent. Injury in the NBA is a lot different than in the NFL.
NASCAR drivers. Think about it. First, they have to turn left. Then…nevermind
What about Decathlon?
Doesn’t involve much agility (cutting etc), but for raw and truly all round ability without as much skill specific emphasis it deserves mention at least.
Both the NFL and NBA attract/produce athletic monsters, obviously. Due at least in part to the massive $ on the table and the huge systems in place to develop athletes.
Gymnasts are very impressive, but their skill set is fairly narrow.
[quote]London Runner wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
I’m a Cowboy fan, but here is another giant, showing some impressive hand eye cordination[/quote]
A couple of things about this video
The deck was stacked. In a slow mo viewing I saw several red queens, including the one in this screen shot falling behind him while he’s already holding the one he’s gonna show her.
Plus the guy with the mics ‘HaHa’ comes before anyone can even see what card he’s caught.[/quote]
Hahaha what a simple slut! As soon as he catches it shes all touching his arm like “omgosh like ssseriously ??”
PS: NYG ftw
It’s a toss up between NBA and NFL players.
It just depends how much emphasis you want to place on the “skill” of playing basketball. Some of these NFL guys being shredded and 300+lbs takes fucking insane amounts of athleticism, but they are not as refined talent wise as someone in the NBA.
I bet if you asked any NFL guy if they would play in the NBA if they could; almost all would say yes. The career is much longer, and more lucrative than in the NFL being the main reason.
If lebald james joined the NFL he’d be the #1 receiver in the league, or #1 DB.
Rugby certianly gets a ton of respect, and those guys are by far the toughest athletes. Sorry hockey, rugby doesnt wear pads… But i dont think it’s progressed the same way he NFL has over the last few years with producing giant ass freaks of nature like there are currently are in the NFL.
Sorry if I phrased my original question wrong. I didn’t mean to include sport-specific skill in this, and I think its quite pointless comparing how sportsmen would do in sports other than their own. It involves so many variables outside their pure athletic ability, which is what this thread was meant to be about - I was referring purely to general physical abilities such as endurance, agility, raw strength, flexibility, power and quickness.
I don’t think it’s particularly useful to debate whether an NFL player is better at shooting hoops than an NBA player is at making tackles. It seems kind of irrelevant.
On a side note, what is the strength requirement of basketball? I know next to nothing about the sport, and obviously a lot of players are strong looking guys, I’m just interested in how it benefits them.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
Rugby certianly gets a ton of respect, and those guys are by far the toughest athletes. Sorry hockey, rugby doesnt wear pads… But i dont think it’s progressed the same way he NFL has over the last few years with producing giant ass freaks of nature like there are currently are in the NFL. [/quote]
I definitely agree that on the whole rugby doesn’t produce guys nearly as massive or powerful as the NFL. However, I think that when you take endurance into account rugby players are much more impressive overall. The game is a lot more fluid and I find 220lb+ guys running around for 40 min halfs quite a feat.
F1 drivers are pretty good athletes. Serious.
May not be the strongest guys on the planet, but mental focus, reaction time, persistence, consistency. These guys are right up there, Jenson Button does triathlons in his spare time and runs a 5k in less than 18 minutes.
These guys are some serious athletes.
[quote]furo wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
Rugby certianly gets a ton of respect, and those guys are by far the toughest athletes. Sorry hockey, rugby doesnt wear pads… But i dont think it’s progressed the same way he NFL has over the last few years with producing giant ass freaks of nature like there are currently are in the NFL. [/quote]
I definitely agree that on the whole rugby doesn’t produce guys nearly as massive or powerful as the NFL. However, I think that when you take endurance into account rugby players are much more impressive overall. The game is a lot more fluid and I find 220lb+ guys running around for 40 min halfs quite a feat.[/quote]
I agree and i read somewhere that the actual playing time of the average NFL match is around 13 minutes.
Yea but thats referring to 13 minutes of balls out sprinting (and I’ve heard much shorter than that before but who knows). NBA players get shit for taking plays off, not many NFL guys get that.
[quote]gregron wrote:
It’s just all so subjective. Could some NBA guys physically cut it in the NFL in skill positions? Yeah sure but would they be able to learn how to read defenses and run routes? Who knows?
Would they be able to take the hits? Maybe? It all just depends.
But the same athletic attributes that make a good skill position NFL player make a good NBA player: quickness, ups, hand eye coordination, speed, endurance.
^^theyre all the same but the demands of the sport require slight differences.[/quote]
Football requires nowhere near the endurance that basketball does. I’d give the edge to the skill position guys in straight line speed and strength, but literally every single other discernable athletic attribute goes in favor of the basketball player. It’s not even close.
Thats incredibly biased WF, no contact in bball compares to a hit on a kickoff. I’m on a shitty connection so I dont want to get into too much but thats just absurd. The footwork of bball guys is great, as is football players, and they are getting thumped on… it goes on. Strength in any sort and form being the most obvious though.
[quote]furo wrote:
On a side note, what is the strength requirement of basketball? I know next to nothing about the sport, and obviously a lot of players are strong looking guys, I’m just interested in how it benefits them.[/quote]
It’s much higher than most would think. The amount of holding, shoving and hitting that goes on in competitive basketball is insane. The difference is, basketball is a contact sport. Football is a collision sport. So, football players need considerably more body armor (muscle) to withstand the sports demands. But, basketball is no joke, especially for someone with an aggressive game, like Iverson or Dwyane Wade. Why do you think so many older guys start to develop and rely on the mid range and outside game? It’s not so much that they’ve lost a step as it’s a measure of self preservation.
Not to insult rugby players by any means.
Rugby is to football, as distance runners are to sprinters. I dont think it’s quite the gap difference since rugby players are beasts, but it’s a fair comparison.
What does the average top flight rugby player make $$ ? The NFL is such a big business now, i think it’s only increased the lengths guys go to get into the game.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]furo wrote:
On a side note, what is the strength requirement of basketball? I know next to nothing about the sport, and obviously a lot of players are strong looking guys, I’m just interested in how it benefits them.[/quote]
It’s much higher than most would think. The amount of holding, shoving and hitting that goes on in competitive basketball is insane. The difference is, basketball is a contact sport. Football is a collision sport. So, football players need considerably more body armor (muscle) to withstand the sports demands. But, basketball is no joke, especially for someone with an aggressive game, like Iverson or Dwyane Wade. Why do you think so many older guys start to develop and rely on the mid range and outside game? It’s not so much that they’ve lost a step as it’s a measure of self preservation.[/quote]
you’re talking as if football was just sprinting and catching the ball. every position (even the qb at times) has to do some serious blocking. i’d love to see a basketball player try to “out-shove” a football player, even a WR.
most corners would drop any BB player on their ass, let alone LB, OL, FBs.
Football strength >>> Basketball strength.
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
Yea but thats referring to 13 minutes of balls out sprinting (and I’ve heard much shorter than that before but who knows). NBA players get shit for taking plays off, not many NFL guys get that.[/quote]
Its not reeally is it. Aren’t most games played over 3 or 4 hours? With time outs change of plays , offense and defense changes etc? Its not 13 minutes of sprinting at all.
Its 13 minutes of sprinting spread of 4 hours for 5 seconds at a time.
[quote]furo wrote:
Sorry if I phrased my original question wrong. I didn’t mean to include sport-specific skill in this, and I think its quite pointless comparing how sportsmen would do in sports other than their own. It involves so many variables outside their pure athletic ability, which is what this thread was meant to be about - I was referring purely to general physical abilities such as endurance, agility, raw strength, flexibility, power and quickness.
I don’t think it’s particularly useful to debate whether an NFL player is better at shooting hoops than an NBA player is at making tackles. It seems kind of irrelevant.
On a side note, what is the strength requirement of basketball? I know next to nothing about the sport, and obviously a lot of players are strong looking guys, I’m just interested in how it benefits them.[/quote]
Sorry to derail your thread man.
This article done by espn ranks a list of sports in all kinds of athletic abilities and has boxing coming out on top.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills
I have spent some time in gyms sparring with boxers and mma fighters and although it was just sparring i never felt like those guys were athletic freaks, I could more than handle myself just on toughness, technique, and durability. When on the football field some guys flat out just make me look foolish.
All sports have great athletes, at the top level but on average i would say american football breeds the best. Outside of kickers and until recently qb’s everyone in football has pretty amazing skill sets. I would say RB/FB and Linebackers are the best of all but the other positions all have some freaks.
Here is a 260lb fullback playing tailback, cutting, breaking tackles and outrunning a defense. He typically is a hardnosed physical blocker. I’d say while he’s not going to win a one on one game with Michael Jordan, beat Usain Bolt in a foot race, or outlift Donnie Thompson in a powerlifting meet, i’d be willing to bet overall average he outdoes all of them in general athletic ability.
I think with the prevalence of PED’s in the NFL contributes to some of the freaks that we see. The reason I bring it up is because I don’t think basketball players use as much as football players. Just something to consider.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
If lebald james joined the NFL he’d be the #1 receiver in the league, or #1 DB.
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LeBron would not stand a chance as a DB, but would probably be a good tight end… A Jimmy Graham type that doesn’t really need to block but just run routes.