No apology needed, I do think there are certain fanbases who you can pretty much all lump together under that umbrella but I won’t get into that.
nope. i would never say that. I’ve said many times on this site that I think most NFL athletes are not clean. But there is a difference, a huge one at that, between what, say an NFL athlete can use and still pass drug tests, and what a guy like Eddie Hall does. I’ll leave it at that.
well first all, the top echelon of strongman is generally more well rounded and moves better than hall. At his best, Hall was a static monster who always gave up points in moving events. I think there are a handful of other pro strongmen who are actually more suited for pro football than Hall.
Nah.
no he doesn’t. 1. You’re thinking of Brian Shaw, not Eddie Hall. Brian is a far better overall athlete than Hall. Brian played D1 basketball. 2. He doesn’t ACTUALLY hold a world record, because it was not done under official contest conditions. Could he do that? Maybe, but he hasn’t. I don’t know if that is a contest that is drug tested, so if it is, he would clearly fail.
Anyway, what I said is not controversial. I said from the beginning it’s possible that Eddie Hall could have been the kind of athlete you’re talking about, but it’s all idle speculation, because we have insufficient evidence to think he would be.
Found the video, turns out it was skierg not rowing. It doesn’t appear to take a hell of alot of athleticsm but clearly takes some explosion and maybe some resistance. It probably doesn’t have alot of people trying to break the record either so the credibility of that is probably pretty limited. I stand corrected on that.
I agree with most of what your saying, but your saying i’m making to much speculation and assumptions when in reality it seems that this is all that this thread is about. Speculating that the best genetic athletes always strive towards top dollar sports. In general thats probably right but I don’t think its always the case. The potential for top $ is probably higher in boxing than in other sports, assuming you can be the best, yet its commonly talked about amongst boxing that the best american heavyweight boxers are playing in the nfl.
I can believe this, considering I haven’t heard anyone even care about heavyweights since Tyson retired.
But boxing has become silly with all the feds too.
There are 32 NFL teams, all with a 52 man active roster. Which means at any given time in the season, there are 1,664 players who are earning a salary of at least half a million dollars per year (which is the bare minimum rookie per-year amount). The average per-year salary for an NFL player is 2.7 million dollars. There are approximately 1,664 football players averaging nearly 3 mil per year. How many heavyweight boxers are making that kind of money in a year? I honestly don’t know the answer, but I would think 25 would be on the high side.
As far as the top end goes, there was one heavyweight boxer who made more than 50 million last year, and the next highest was 30 mil. Meanwhile, the highest paid NFL player last year was Aaron Rodgers, whose salaryand bonuses amounted to 66 million, and there were about 5 guys who made 30+.
So, I’m not sure how you’ve come to the conclusion that heavyweight boxers average more money, or have a higher top end potential, but both are incorrect. And there are more opportunities available in the NFL.
I said if you can be the best. Heavyweight boxing hasn’t been overly relevant outside of Anthony Joshua being huge over seas in years. However had Joshua not gotten beat by Ruiz the potential for a matchup with Deontay Wilder would have been large money and could have potentially been the type of fireworks with big names that put heavyweight boxing back on the map.
With that said Welterweights through middleweight is where the top boxers are currently and they are the ones making the most waves. For instance Canelo reportedly earned between 42 and 50 million for his two fights with Golovkin. Very few football players are making that kind of money and they are playing 16 games. He had 2 fights, now surely there is a ton of behind the scenes work for both careers. I used to train in boxing so I am well aware there is way more involved than just fight night but the potential is there.
Mayweather was guarenteed $100 million to fight Mcgregor. He reportedly earned $275 million for the fight. 275 million to fight a man who wasn’t even a boxer. Any person with any boxing experience new that Mcgregor had the most miniscule of chances. As someone who had invested a few years in boxing training and countless years of watching the sport It was a total slap in the face that the media and fighters promoted it as a real fight. Even worse was the number of ufc fans that were coming out in droves to say how Mcgregor was gonna kill Mayweather. Typically you’d say anything can happen/punchers chance. But If Maidana couldn’t put down Mayweather in 2 fights, Mcgregor didn’t even have a punchers chance.
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Anyway @flipcollar I’ve seen you post here for years and respect your opinion. I suppose the question was who is the most well rounded athletes, where as instead of answering that I diverged into assumptions of if so and so trained this way yada yada so to get back on topic Eddie Hall is currently not even close to the most well rounded athlete so by default i’d lose the argument. Appreciate the intelligent and respectful responses from you tho.
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You havent explained it terribly at all, atleast not too me as I understand the notion of differences between the sports we are discussing. I appreciate your opinion on the subject, its good gather other outlooks on these disscussions on why people think differently and I agree with many of your points.
Id probably have to take Inglis over SBW in my opinion.
The longevity of his career, coupled with how explosive for someone with his physical stats. Not to mention AFL, NFL and Union teams offering him contracts when he had only ever played league.
Thanks for your input @yorkshireiron
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So many dumb arguments in here. None of the major sports have the best ‘well-rounded’ athletes.
Soccer definitely doesn’t because they lack upper body strength.
American football you’d have to pick only certain positions like wide receiver or running back, but they are explosive oriented and aren’t suited for anything to do with real endurance.
Basketball has some good athletes but who there has explosive power? Baseball? let’s not even have that laugh.
NHL guys are pretty athletic, and well rounded I think but no where near the best.
I’d say out of all the professional sports it’d have to be the fighters, MMA/Boxing.
But the most impressive? Wouldn’t that go to the track and field?
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Bunch of dumbasses in this thread. It’s clearly E-Sports. Sometimes you have to kill other people with huge shields and unlimited ammo across a massive map with multiple people firing at you. Being able to sprint, fire, jump, dodge with no rest is an absolute must.
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I would imagine most elite level decathletes could compete well in many other sports.
Be curious to see rates of ADD diagnosis among them.
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Really though - how do we discount gymnasts as clear winners here? Endurance, explosive power, balance, flexibility, control.
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Most of them are really short.
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I mean, 5’8” is the idea height.
I intended to be tongue-in-cheek. I absolutely believe that gymnasts are one of the most well-rounded athletes out there.
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I’d definitely rank them up there but are we including maximal strength as well as relative strength? (Hope I got those terms right.)
Then again, I wouldn’t be surprised if one of those dudes who can hold an iron cross or do a one arm handstand has a decent press. Or could at least get good with not too much work.
Very vague. Sprinters can sprint. Distance runners have endurance. Throwers have strength. Too many different events to name the entire sport as the “best.”
And as far as gymnastics, track, and combat sports, there are absolutely, 100%, very, very hard skills that these guys have mastered, but it’s also awesome to see someone dunk a basketball, hit a homer, do a backflip kick into a soccer net, or anything similar. I think sports without a ball are impressive, but with a ball is more exciting. Not that that’s the question, but just my 2 cents.
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Gymnasts are apparently capable of very good feats of strength, relative to bw.
Which I can believe.
You’ve mentioned how you could only pick certain positions from American football and then go on to say the above. Have you ever seen a shotputter?