[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]furo wrote:
There’s no way soccer takes this. The question was most well-rounded athlete, and as far as I can tell soccer players just about only have endurance over other sportsmen.
I’m well chuffed this thread has lasted so long 
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Dude, I don’t even think the pro soccer crowd really believes soccer takes the crown…[/quote]
But they can run without using oxygen.
Duh catch up[/quote]
Shit, I missed that game changer.
Just been lurking in this thread, but I cant believe soccer was even presented as an option.
fuck soccer!
We wanna use our hands cos its eassssssssier
[quote]Claudan wrote:
fuck soccer!
We wanna use our hands cos its eassssssssier [/quote]
They need to save their hands to brace their fall from the flop
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
fuck soccer!
We wanna use our hands cos its eassssssssier [/quote]
They need to save their hands to brace their fall from the flop[/quote]
[quote]Claudan wrote:
fuck soccer!
We wanna use our hands cos its eassssssssier [/quote]
Easier then what?
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
fuck soccer!
We wanna use our hands cos its eassssssssier [/quote]
They need to save their hands to brace their fall from the flop[/quote]
http://gfycat.com/AdorablePastConch[/quote]
Honestly I was the striker and I took pride in taking people out.
It is just sad to see them flop, I want to bitch slap those fuckers.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
fuck soccer!
We wanna use our hands cos its eassssssssier [/quote]
They need to save their hands to brace their fall from the flop[/quote]
http://gfycat.com/AdorablePastConch[/quote]
Honestly I was the striker and I took pride in taking people out.
It is just sad to see them flop, I want to bitch slap those fuckers. [/quote]
agreed, it’s not my style, but hey, who gives a fuck! I’m pretty sure it’s about winning more than anything so, if you’re in the PK box, the ref can’t see you(blocked field of vision), yeah most players are gonna dive.
consider reward-vs-risk in a diving situation.
a goal vs a wagging finger ?
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
fuck soccer!
We wanna use our hands cos its eassssssssier [/quote]
They need to save their hands to brace their fall from the flop[/quote]
http://gfycat.com/AdorablePastConch[/quote]
Honestly I was the striker and I took pride in taking people out.
It is just sad to see them flop, I want to bitch slap those fuckers. [/quote]
agreed, it’s not my style, but hey, who gives a fuck! I’m pretty sure it’s about winning more than anything so, if you’re in the PK box, the ref can’t see you(blocked field of vision), yeah most players are gonna dive.
consider reward-vs-risk in a diving situation.
a goal vs a wagging finger ?[/quote]
But we are now in the age of TV.
So you will be on TV and internet showing how you flopped.
I dont like it in BB or soccer.
Man the fuck up
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
fuck soccer!
We wanna use our hands cos its eassssssssier [/quote]
They need to save their hands to brace their fall from the flop[/quote]
http://gfycat.com/AdorablePastConch[/quote]
Honestly I was the striker and I took pride in taking people out.
It is just sad to see them flop, I want to bitch slap those fuckers. [/quote]
agreed, it’s not my style, but hey, who gives a fuck! I’m pretty sure it’s about winning more than anything so, if you’re in the PK box, the ref can’t see you(blocked field of vision), yeah most players are gonna dive.
consider reward-vs-risk in a diving situation.
a goal vs a wagging finger ?[/quote]
But we are now in the age of TV.
So you will be on TV and internet showing how you flopped.
I dont like it in BB or soccer.
Man the fuck up[/quote]
so you don’t recognize that it is about winning? You think it’s about ‘manhood’?
I don’t agree with diving but I’m not some ignorant asshole who doesn’t understand it. I’m not referring to you btw.
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
fuck soccer!
We wanna use our hands cos its eassssssssier [/quote]
They need to save their hands to brace their fall from the flop[/quote]
http://gfycat.com/AdorablePastConch[/quote]
Honestly I was the striker and I took pride in taking people out.
It is just sad to see them flop, I want to bitch slap those fuckers. [/quote]
agreed, it’s not my style, but hey, who gives a fuck! I’m pretty sure it’s about winning more than anything so, if you’re in the PK box, the ref can’t see you(blocked field of vision), yeah most players are gonna dive.
consider reward-vs-risk in a diving situation.
a goal vs a wagging finger ?[/quote]
But we are now in the age of TV.
So you will be on TV and internet showing how you flopped.
I dont like it in BB or soccer.
Man the fuck up[/quote]
so you don’t recognize that it is about winning? You think it’s about ‘manhood’?
I don’t agree with diving but I’m not some ignorant asshole who doesn’t understand it. I’m not referring to you btw.
[/quote]
Not manhood.
Honor.
Cheating is cheating to me.
Winning is important but winning with class is more.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Claudan wrote:
fuck soccer!
We wanna use our hands cos its eassssssssier [/quote]
They need to save their hands to brace their fall from the flop[/quote]
http://gfycat.com/AdorablePastConch[/quote]
Honestly I was the striker and I took pride in taking people out.
It is just sad to see them flop, I want to bitch slap those fuckers. [/quote]
agreed, it’s not my style, but hey, who gives a fuck! I’m pretty sure it’s about winning more than anything so, if you’re in the PK box, the ref can’t see you(blocked field of vision), yeah most players are gonna dive.
consider reward-vs-risk in a diving situation.
a goal vs a wagging finger ?[/quote]
But we are now in the age of TV.
So you will be on TV and internet showing how you flopped.
I dont like it in BB or soccer.
Man the fuck up[/quote]
so you don’t recognize that it is about winning? You think it’s about ‘manhood’?
I don’t agree with diving but I’m not some ignorant asshole who doesn’t understand it. I’m not referring to you btw.
[/quote]
Not manhood.
Honor.
Cheating is cheating to me.
Winning is important but winning with class is more.[/quote]
Ok, that sounds solid. srs.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
When we say most impressive, well rounded athletes, we need to ensure that there is no external training method.
These athletes can only do their sport. No gym, no cross training, etc.
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I totally disagree. The external training is a major part of it. The external training is a major reason they are in the NFL playing skill positions. That’s what it takes for them to get there. It’s part of it.
That’s one reason why I don’t hold basketball as high. Larry Bird is one of the greatest basketball players of all time. Larry Bird is not one of the most impressive, well-rounded athletes of all time.
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NFL is not a sport, it’s a division worth millions and millions of dollars. American Football, in and of itself, does not require much. If wrestling was worth millions and millions, there would be no NFL combine, and someone would be saying the same for football as you are saying of basketball.
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NFL is worth billions and billions of dollars.
The NFL is were the best American Football players go to play.
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Yes, but the sport itself does not produce impressive athletes.
I guess I’m looking at it differently. I’m thinking of the sport itself producing an athlete, and you’re simply biased about AF since that’s where all the great athletes go cause of money.[/quote]
Sports don’t ‘produce’ athletes, genetics and training do. You just admitted that all the great athletes in America play football. Which means something about them made them great athletes prior to their participation in football. The topic is ‘who are the most impressive, well rounded athletes’. If the greatest athletic talents are competing in the NFL, shouldn’t we start our search there?
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Yes, but that’s not how I understand the question.
Obviously the best go where the money is, the sport is irrelevant.
How I understood it was: “If person X were to compete in a sport, and only train in that sport, which sport would make him the most well rounded, impressive athlete?”.
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If that was the criteria, the answer would be Crossfit, because they would have the most diverse training available to them.
I guess I don’t really know what ‘only train in that sport’ means. Most professional athletes train basic barbell movements in the gym. Would you not be allowed to do this under your conditions?[/quote]
A wrestler would do nothing but wrestle.
A soccer player would do nothing but play soccer.
An american football player would do nothing but play AF.
A swimmer would do nothing but swim.
Get the idea? No cross training, no running, no barbell, etc…only train in that sport by doing that sport.
Crossfit isn’t a sport, imo, but let’s leave that for another thread.
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
When we say most impressive, well rounded athletes, we need to ensure that there is no external training method.
These athletes can only do their sport. No gym, no cross training, etc.
[/quote]
I totally disagree. The external training is a major part of it. The external training is a major reason they are in the NFL playing skill positions. That’s what it takes for them to get there. It’s part of it.
That’s one reason why I don’t hold basketball as high. Larry Bird is one of the greatest basketball players of all time. Larry Bird is not one of the most impressive, well-rounded athletes of all time.
[/quote]
NFL is not a sport, it’s a division worth millions and millions of dollars. American Football, in and of itself, does not require much. If wrestling was worth millions and millions, there would be no NFL combine, and someone would be saying the same for football as you are saying of basketball.
[/quote]
NFL is worth billions and billions of dollars.
The NFL is were the best American Football players go to play.
[/quote]
Yes, but the sport itself does not produce impressive athletes.
I guess I’m looking at it differently. I’m thinking of the sport itself producing an athlete, and you’re simply biased about AF since that’s where all the great athletes go cause of money.[/quote]
Sports don’t ‘produce’ athletes, genetics and training do. You just admitted that all the great athletes in America play football. Which means something about them made them great athletes prior to their participation in football. The topic is ‘who are the most impressive, well rounded athletes’. If the greatest athletic talents are competing in the NFL, shouldn’t we start our search there?
[/quote]
Yes, but that’s not how I understand the question.
Obviously the best go where the money is, the sport is irrelevant.
How I understood it was: “If person X were to compete in a sport, and only train in that sport, which sport would make him the most well rounded, impressive athlete?”.
[/quote]
If that was the criteria, the answer would be Crossfit, because they would have the most diverse training available to them.
I guess I don’t really know what ‘only train in that sport’ means. Most professional athletes train basic barbell movements in the gym. Would you not be allowed to do this under your conditions?[/quote]
A wrestler would do nothing but wrestle.
A soccer player would do nothing but play soccer.
An american football player would do nothing but play AF.
A swimmer would do nothing but swim.
Get the idea? No cross training, no running, no barbell, etc…only train in that sport by doing that sport.
Crossfit isn’t a sport, imo, but let’s leave that for another thread.
[/quote]
if it’s only their sport gotta consider rock climbers. hiking in miles with a pack and gear. they are extremely strong, have high endurance, high pain threshold, and are mentally focused.
What does it matter how much weight or how fast you are if you don’t think anything with it. Hands down its an NFL player, whether its a WR, RB or LB, or DE those guys are freaks of nature.
My personal opinion is that the 5 sports with most well rounded are
5)elite Strongman/ Gymnastics
4)basketball
3)Football
2)Rugby
1)Ufc elite fighters are in Fact the most well rounded they have high lvls of endurance, Strength, Stamina, speed, Dexterity, hand eye coordination foot speed and many have a visceral core strength that is incredible
As much as I want to say MMA/Boxers… the athletes in the USA are just not funneled there. If you have a kid, who let’s say is 10 or 12, and he’s the fastest, strongest, biggest, toughest kid on the block… he’s going to be directed to football. If he has the right build and coordination, toward basketball. That’s where the media/culture/entertainment is. And that’s where the money is.
So this same kid at 10 or 12 could have been great in any sport, but what sport will he be directed to?
Look, I love MMA. Could you imagine if some of the NFL guys chose MMA starting at age 10??? Holy shit.
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Look, I love MMA. Could you imagine if some of the NFL guys chose MMA starting at age 10??? Holy shit. [/quote]
That’s why my vote would be for a NFL player. Imagine if the main sport in the U.S was soccer…
Imagine if a guy like Vernon Davis grew up wrestling too. And then went to Iowa or Oklahoma State and wrestled and became a national champ. Then he started boxing on the side. Then after college he went full time MMA and trained for several more years.
He would destroy people.
Then people would look at Davis and say, see- this is why MMA produces the best athletes!
[quote]silverblood wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
When we say most impressive, well rounded athletes, we need to ensure that there is no external training method.
These athletes can only do their sport. No gym, no cross training, etc.
[/quote]
I totally disagree. The external training is a major part of it. The external training is a major reason they are in the NFL playing skill positions. That’s what it takes for them to get there. It’s part of it.
That’s one reason why I don’t hold basketball as high. Larry Bird is one of the greatest basketball players of all time. Larry Bird is not one of the most impressive, well-rounded athletes of all time.
[/quote]
NFL is not a sport, it’s a division worth millions and millions of dollars. American Football, in and of itself, does not require much. If wrestling was worth millions and millions, there would be no NFL combine, and someone would be saying the same for football as you are saying of basketball.
[/quote]
NFL is worth billions and billions of dollars.
The NFL is were the best American Football players go to play.
[/quote]
Yes, but the sport itself does not produce impressive athletes.
I guess I’m looking at it differently. I’m thinking of the sport itself producing an athlete, and you’re simply biased about AF since that’s where all the great athletes go cause of money.[/quote]
Sports don’t ‘produce’ athletes, genetics and training do. You just admitted that all the great athletes in America play football. Which means something about them made them great athletes prior to their participation in football. The topic is ‘who are the most impressive, well rounded athletes’. If the greatest athletic talents are competing in the NFL, shouldn’t we start our search there?
[/quote]
Yes, but that’s not how I understand the question.
Obviously the best go where the money is, the sport is irrelevant.
How I understood it was: “If person X were to compete in a sport, and only train in that sport, which sport would make him the most well rounded, impressive athlete?”.
[/quote]
If that was the criteria, the answer would be Crossfit, because they would have the most diverse training available to them.
I guess I don’t really know what ‘only train in that sport’ means. Most professional athletes train basic barbell movements in the gym. Would you not be allowed to do this under your conditions?[/quote]
A wrestler would do nothing but wrestle.
A soccer player would do nothing but play soccer.
An american football player would do nothing but play AF.
A swimmer would do nothing but swim.
Get the idea? No cross training, no running, no barbell, etc…only train in that sport by doing that sport.
Crossfit isn’t a sport, imo, but let’s leave that for another thread.
[/quote]
if it’s only their sport gotta consider rock climbers. hiking in miles with a pack and gear. they are extremely strong, have high endurance, high pain threshold, and are mentally focused.[/quote]
I rock climb, hang out at a rock climbing gym, weekly, and I can tell you for a fact that rock climbers aren’t even on the list of most impressive well rounded athletes.
