This is my Fifth Cycle now, I weigh 90kg(Cut) and am 5ft9(189cm). I source all my gear in Thailand so I have access to pretty much anything I want. Having done some research I have come up with the following cycle as an effective mass building cycle. I have essentially taken a pro anabolic androgen cycle and added a couple of orals to the first few weeks as a booster to get me started. What I would really appreaciate is some honest feedback and suggestions of what you would change or keep the same.
Anti Side Effects:
Proviron - Week 1 to 11 = 50mg every day
Orals
Anadrol 50 Week 1-4 =50mg Every Day
Dianabol Week 1 - 5= 30mg Every Day
Injectables:
Deca-durabolin Week 1 - 5 = 400mg a week
Sustanon 250 Week 1-5 = 500mg a Week
Trenbolone Week 6 -11 = 150mg Every other Day
Primobolin Week 6 -11 = 200mg every day
PCT
HCG Week 12 -13 = 5000iu each week
Clomid Week 12 -14 = 100mg a day
Plus
Creatine
Zinc and Magnesium supplement
Liver protection tablets
Constructive criticism, please don’t take it personally.
How is your diet, training? Provide details.
I would say you need to get your diet spot on as well as training as for someone who has done 5 cycles, you don’t seem to weigh much.
5" 9 does not equal 189cms either? So how tall are you?
Define cut, what is your body fat level on?
And that is a bloody heavy cycle.
I can’t see how you can justify it.
5 weeks of deca? 5 weeks of sus? No test in the last 6 weeks? Clomid started too soon? Anadrol and Dianabol together? HCG after your cycle is finished? Only proviron for sides?
Is this a joke? There’s not one thing I see right with this cycle. I don’t believe you. I want to see pictures of what you look like. Even if you do look decent, you have no idea how to put together a cycle, and if something is working for you you must have won the genetic lottery.
Choose either 50mg dbol or 100mg anadrol and stick with it.
That’s a bloody short time to run deca and a bloody long time to run tren. Also, test is traditionally at least 2 weeks past 19-nors. And sust is stupid.
Scrap the entire thing and start over give us your stats and goals and we’ll try and help you outline a good cycle, 2thepain actually has a thread going right now on an awesome mass building cycle, check it out. but for now don’t do anything that you posted, it will suck for you big time
If you have access to anything - why waste your money on sust?
Bad cycle design from star to finish.
You want a good mass cycle? get you diet straight. That determines how much mass you put on to a much larger degree than anything you can inject. In fact, diet dictates everything.
all you have is proviron for sides, you might be able to get away with this if you were running a moderate cycle, why not do a low dose of armidex instead of or with?
also if you actually did some research it would greatly help you, and would prevent us from flaming you
I hope you actually know what your are doing, because if you don’t you are going to royally fuck yourself up
I added the dbol and anadrol after reading a great article about combining the two to get great benefits without the sides of heavier doses of using them singularly. It was just a quick booster. I weigh 90kg, but I am just under 5ft9, sorry if I converted it wrong into cms. I would say that I have a very cut physique with no obvious fat on me.
I have done five steroid cycles but three of them were cutting cycles and only two were mass building cycles. I was kind of aiming for that athletic built look as opposed to too heavy.
My training regime is based on Jay Cuttlers with regards to times and exercises. I do appreciate his genetics are different to mine, I just use his routines.
My diet is the usual six meals a day, with the usual mix of supplements, protein powders etc.
I have put this on here because I really just wanted the most effective cycle for gaining allot of size, as I feel that having done a couple of mass cycles before, I now really am in a position to make this one my best yet.
I do value the feedback, not sure about the abuse, but i appreciate that this isn’t a kids forum.
Bottom line is I wanted to do something more exciting than dbol, deca, test but if that’s what works then that’s what I’ll stick too.
[quote]Game_over wrote:
Scrap the entire thing and start over give us your stats and goals and we’ll try and help you outline a good cycle, 2thepain actually has a thread going right now on an awesome mass building cycle, check it out. but for now don’t do anything that you posted, it will suck for you big time[/quote]
Dbol and anadrol together with no increased sides?!?!?!? Is that some sort of sick joke? How about liver toxicity? I’d say that’s a pretty damned important increased side effect.
You apparently lack any sort of dietary knowledge if you’re running “cutting cycles” more than a “mass cycle.” Like rainjack said, it’s not what you inject, it’s what you eat that determines the mass you put on or the fat you cut, not your compounds.
You talk about wanting something effective and you throw sustanon in the mix? Come on now man.
And as far as doing something “more exciting,” yeah this could be a lot more exciting with the repeated trips to the ER from passing out with the effects it will have on your liver, blood pressure, and then more exciting to the endocrinologist when all is said and done because of the fact you’re shut down forever.
Want an effective cycle? Start eating 800 cals a meal and do it 5-6 times a day along with +50g of protein per meal. And then think about adding some AAS. You want size gains? Stack yourself a high dose of test for 8 weeks with 3-4 weeks of tren ace right in the middle. Doubt it? Check my thread.
[quote]World1187 wrote:
Dbol and anadrol together with no increased sides?!?!?!? Is that some sort of sick joke? How about liver toxicity? I’d say that’s a pretty damned important increased side effect[/quote]
The article that he “supposedly” read is intended for the guys who are experienced competitors who actually stay ON orals for years and years. His method was intended to be done in another way and it is more dangerous, but far less than what the author was trying to convey. That is the problem of non-competitors reading what the advanced do.
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You apparently lack any sort of dietary knowledge if you’re running “cutting cycles” more than a “mass cycle.” Like rainjack said, it’s not what you inject, it’s what you eat that determines the mass you put on or the fat you cut, not your compounds.
You talk about wanting something effective and you throw sustanon in the mix? Come on now man.
And as far as doing something “more exciting,” yeah this could be a lot more exciting with the repeated trips to the ER from passing out with the effects it will have on your liver, blood pressure, and then more exciting to the endocrinologist when all is said and done because of the fact you’re shut down forever.
Want an effective cycle? Start eating 800 cals a meal and do it 5-6 times a day along with +50g of protein per meal. And then think about adding some AAS. You want size gains? Stack yourself a high dose of test for 8 weeks with 3-4 weeks of tren ace right in the middle. Doubt it? Check my thread.
World[/quote]
Following cookie cutter diet and training advice from no one else than Cutler…is a recipe for disaster IMO.
Do yourself a favor and read what World has said. He and RJ are right on the money!
