The Morality of Eating Meat

[quote]Lady_J wrote:
what has been debunked? and by whom? lixy agrees with me, makavali and i were saying the same things, even Zap and I can get on the same page and agree there are issues with our environment…[/quote]

I can talk for myself, thanks…

I just want to know I’ll always be able to enjoy a good old fashioned pork chop and that future generations can too. Farming is a good solution as long as there are still wild animals we can introduce into the general livestock. That way we can eat (somewhat) wild meat as opposed to domesticated animal.

As for fuel, I can’t wait for the day some greenie pushes through a fusion reactor for every car, so that some asshole with a political agenda can annihilate an entire city with a store bought fusion reactor. Electric cars FTW (if we can get them to go at a minimum speed of 150km/hr)!

But this thread has gone waaaay off topic. IMHO, if you can’t kill an animal for food yourself, then you have no business getting someone else to do it.

[quote]Lady_J wrote:
Ok, i posted 4 links, research findings from cambridge, and supporting population statistics before you posted this. Lack of intellect? My SAT score was a 1430, my IQ is 140, you judgemental prick.
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Inflated numbers. Videos… oh shit, this isn’t the RMP forum…

Two of the dumbest animals in the world are cows and chickens. A cow will starve to death with food only two inches under the snow. Cattle gates were made because cattle can’t put their back foot where they put their front ones, horses can. You snap chicken necks all day and they will never figure out they are next. That makes them food.

Now being human we will, for the majority of us, treat even the dumbest of animals with as much humanity as possible.

The only reason we could be vegetarians is because we can now transport the foods we need to sustain life from every where in the world. Take that away and it’s eat meat or die.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Lady_J wrote:
what has been debunked? and by whom? lixy agrees with me, makavali and i were saying the same things, even Zap and I can get on the same page and agree there are issues with our environment…

I can talk for myself, thanks…

I just want to know I’ll always be able to enjoy a good old fashioned pork chop and that future generations can too. Farming is a good solution as long as there are still wild animals we can introduce into the general livestock. That way we can eat (somewhat) wild meat as opposed to domesticated animal.

As for fuel, I can’t wait for the day some greenie pushes through a fusion reactor for every car, so that some asshole with a political agenda can annihilate an entire city with a store bought fusion reactor. Electric cars FTW (if we can get them to go at a minimum speed of 150km/hr)!

But this thread has gone waaaay off topic. IMHO, if you can’t kill an animal for food yourself, then you have no business getting someone else to do it.[/quote]

I wasn’t speaking for you, i was alluding to the fact that our posts yesterday were in agreement, especially your last one and mine following, they were damn near identical.

And yes, way off topic, looks like rj and i are both stubborn and last words freaks… there is support for both of our views.

Back to my original point… darwinism. I don’t think eating and morality should be too closely associated. We eat because we have to. Morality is imposed by society

[quote]Lady_J wrote:
Morality is imposed by society[/quote]

Yep.

[quote]Lady_J wrote:

Ok, i posted 4 links, research findings from cambridge, and supporting population statistics before you posted this. Lack of intellect? My SAT score was a 1430, my IQ is 140, you judgemental prick.

Where is your proof? chop, chop!

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Since my IQ is 152, would that mean I should automatically win this discussion?

You should spend some time in the political forum. I have spent something like the last month trying to dispel these myths you are pushing. CERA did mention 24 years, but that was a minimum.

Here is a quick summery from what I have posted before.

The price of oil is not currently a result of supply and demand. There are a whole host of issues, some of which are political.

Part of the problem was a decade of low oil prices. Not only have we been spoiled by those prices, but the companies and governments were not looking for the stuff because there was no profit in it.

People who like to say we are running out of oil only used proved reserves which are not really designed to tell us what is actually available. It also only includes the best, cheapest oil, no heavy oil, tar sands, or oil shale.

Also technological improvements have a big impact. The Bakken reserve that rainjack alluded to has jumped by 25 times to 4 billion barrels in about a decade just because of technological improvements. And if technology improves more, that could jump to 100 billion barrels. This isn’t oil that is suddenly existing, but part of the vast amounts that are not counted for one reason or another.

Brazil just found 33 billion barrels, and this is just some of the recent finds that seem to have jumped since the price of oil has jumped.

And this does not take into account the shale thats available here. Recent advancements have resulted in a much cheaper method of producing oil from it, and in a much more environmental way then they originally had. Now how much oil? 800 billion barrels recoverable with current technology.

And none of this even takes into account the fact that we can now make the stuff out of methane. (Syncrude.)

There is a lot more, but I have to go.

[quote]The Mage wrote:
Lady_J wrote:

Ok, i posted 4 links, research findings from cambridge, and supporting population statistics before you posted this. Lack of intellect? My SAT score was a 1430, my IQ is 140, you judgemental prick.

Where is your proof? chop, chop!

Since my IQ is 152, would that mean I should automatically win this discussion?

You should spend some time in the political forum. I have spent something like the last month trying to dispel these myths you are pushing. CERA did mention 24 years, but that was a minimum.

Here is a quick summery from what I have posted before.

The price of oil is not currently a result of supply and demand. There are a whole host of issues, some of which are political.

Part of the problem was a decade of low oil prices. Not only have we been spoiled by those prices, but the companies and governments were not looking for the stuff because there was no profit in it.

People who like to say we are running out of oil only used proved reserves which are not really designed to tell us what is actually available. It also only includes the best, cheapest oil, no heavy oil, tar sands, or oil shale.

Also technological improvements have a big impact. The Bakken reserve that rainjack alluded to has jumped by 25 times to 4 billion barrels in about a decade just because of technological improvements. And if technology improves more, that could jump to 100 billion barrels. This isn’t oil that is suddenly existing, but part of the vast amounts that are not counted for one reason or another.

Brazil just found 33 billion barrels, and this is just some of the recent finds that seem to have jumped since the price of oil has jumped.

And this does not take into account the shale thats available here. Recent advancements have resulted in a much cheaper method of producing oil from it, and in a much more environmental way then they originally had. Now how much oil? 800 billion barrels recoverable with current technology.

And none of this even takes into account the fact that we can now make the stuff out of methane. (Syncrude.)

There is a lot more, but I have to go.[/quote]

with an iq of 152 i would easily defer… after a peek at ur test results. lol

note, i did not post that to prove i was right, i merely was proving i did not suffer from a lack of intellect purely because i disagreed with rj

i went back through the posts regarding this topic and you bring many valid points to the table. I don’t think we are spiraling into extinction as rj put it, I just think we take many of our resources for granted. There may be an infinite number of fuel sources, but oil we will eventually use up.

I just think that some of the pictures being painted are a little too “rose-colored glasses,” while some are a little too “kiss ur ass goodbye.” Most people use facts to their opinions’ advantage, so the end result will probably be somewhere in between.

thanks for not calling me out of my name even though we have differing points of view. You are an intersection as opposed to a dead end. Have you read anything about the Barnett Shale here in TX?

[quote]streamline wrote:
Two of the dumbest animals in the world are cows and chickens. A cow will starve to death with food only two inches under the snow. Cattle gates were made because cattle can’t put their back foot where they put their front ones, horses can. You snap chicken necks all day and they will never figure out they are next. That makes them food.

Now being human we will, for the majority of us, treat even the dumbest of animals with as much humanity as possible.

The only reason we could be vegetarians is because we can now transport the foods we need to sustain life from every where in the world. Take that away and it’s eat meat or die.[/quote]

I agree with this. And I have yet to see a healthy vegan. And I mean actually healthy, with includes having the energy to move properly.

Your dick may be 12", but mine’s 12’. And my IQ is 246.

God bless the interwebz.

waves penis, killing 12 innocent bystanders in the process

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Your dick may be 12", but mine’s 12’. And my IQ is 246.

God bless the interwebz.

waves penis, killing 12 innocent bystanders in the process[/quote]

well damn, if we’re talking about web iq then i’m off the charts… lol. As for penis length, I’m afraid you all have me beat… but I bet my jugs are bigger, lol

[quote]The Mage wrote:
People who like to say we are running out of oil only used proved reserves which are not really designed to tell us what is actually available. It also only includes the best, cheapest oil, no heavy oil, tar sands, or oil shale.[/quote]

That’s because these sources are far more expensive to extract, are disastrous for environment and they will not be able to supply energy at the same rates(not to mention ever expanding ones) as light crude. That’s what we’re running out of and that’s what is difficult to replace.

Shale is not even oil. The extraction and conversion are much more expensive, slower and less efficient. Natural gas is just as limited as light crude. These methods are very limited and have tons of setbacks. All of them put together can’t touch light crude. Which is why a barrel will only go up in cost.

[quote]Lady_J wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Your dick may be 12", but mine’s 12’. And my IQ is 246.

God bless the interwebz.

waves penis, killing 12 innocent bystanders in the process

well damn, if we’re talking about web iq then i’m off the charts… lol. As for penis length, I’m afraid you all have me beat… but I bet my jugs are bigger, lol
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Checked your profile, yes they are LOL. Love your avatar!

[quote]Lady_J wrote:
well damn, if we’re talking about web iq then i’m off the charts… lol. As for penis length, I’m afraid you all have me beat… but I bet my jugs are bigger, lol[/quote]

Not if I do a 12 week oral steroid cycle with no cycle support and no PCT.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Lady_J wrote:
well damn, if we’re talking about web iq then i’m off the charts… lol. As for penis length, I’m afraid you all have me beat… but I bet my jugs are bigger, lol

Not if I do a 12 week oral steroid cycle with no cycle support and no PCT.[/quote]

oh yeah!? what if i got like size GGGG implants? Then what? lol. for right now mine are bigger

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Lady_J wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Lady_J wrote:
well damn, if we’re talking about web iq then i’m off the charts… lol. As for penis length, I’m afraid you all have me beat… but I bet my jugs are bigger, lol

Not if I do a 12 week oral steroid cycle with no cycle support and no PCT.

oh yeah!? what if i got like size GGGG implants? Then what? lol. for right now mine are bigger

Prove it.[/quote]

ahhh shit… you boys and this “prove it” shit… prove u got a 12" dick… and u better hold a ruler up to it!

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Lady_J wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Lady_J wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Lady_J wrote:
well damn, if we’re talking about web iq then i’m off the charts… lol. As for penis length, I’m afraid you all have me beat… but I bet my jugs are bigger, lol

Not if I do a 12 week oral steroid cycle with no cycle support and no PCT.

oh yeah!? what if i got like size GGGG implants? Then what? lol. for right now mine are bigger

Prove it.

ahhh shit… you boys and this “prove it” shit… prove u got a 12" dick… and u better hold a ruler up to it!

Shoooooooot! You weren’t supposed to say that. You were just supposed to say “OK” and then do it.

It’s the damn high IQ of yours. I couldn’t sneak one by ya.

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better remember that 4 next time… lol.