The Morality of Eating Meat

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
tom63 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
What in the Sam fucking Hill does population have to do with being nicer to the animals?

The more mouths we have to feed, the crappier the conditions under which animals are kept.

Common sense, use it!

Common sense says that if you want to eat, you will do what you have to to have food - so idiots ike you should just shut the fuck up, and color.

Common sense does not include raising a bunch of fucking pets.

True,I would just love for some of these people to be thrown into a situation of really needing to eat or starve and not having all these nice little choices.

Lixy is a spolied little college girl who feeds off her trust fund, and tells everyone else how to live. She’s a brave little bitch as long as she has her daddy’s money and a monitor to hide behind.

I’d love to see her have to fix a flat tire, or God forbid - have to get a fucking job.
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Word, hahahaha! Today I made some disappointing burgers. My wife, good lady that she is thinks they were awesome, but she’s just afraid I’ll cut her off from meat and not grill.

No innuendos, just real grilling.

Here’s how you make a great burger. Get a stick or two of butter. Get a total of 2 tbs of garlic chopped fresh, some pepper ( I use the fresh ground stuff), chives, and tarragon. Mix these herbs and spices with the butter.

Roll it back into a a stick like thing about as big around as a stick of butter. This will give you the seasoning for about 16 burgers.

Don’t make burgers like a pussy. A good woman should be able to handle app. a half pounder weight before cooking. A real man 1/2 to 1 pound. but the key is a pat of your homemade garlic butter ( heavy on the garlic in your mixture)in the center of your burger.

This will keep the burger super juicy and will essentially season it while you cook.

Depending on how thick or well done you want it you must alter cooking time of course. But for you heathens, don’t press that burger on the grill and only flip it once. I rotate it 90 degrees one time each side and just take it off when it’s done. let it cool for a few minutes and you’re in burger heaven.

Don’t waste your time arguing with hippies on the net. Post your favorite meat recipes so we can advance the knowledge of meat and the love of meat!

Remember arguing on the net is like the special olympics, even when you win, it’s still retarded! Let’s beat down the lefties and hippies by our meat knowledge and help fellow meat eaters to learn more ways to eat more meat in high end juicy ways!

Seriously Rainjack, if you’re a Texas boy of any salt you can help us brisket deprived boys in Pa. with your knowledge and advance meat loving and defeat the lefties and bunny huggers at the same time!

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As an aside, I shot the most powerful handgun on the planet today, the 500 S&W magnum. I hope to use this to get some meat late this november in pa.

I think I’ll need a scope on this baby since I don’t trust myself at long distances with open sights on handgun. but this baby with a scope is quite capable of bringing down a whitetail at 200+ yards.

Tasty no hormone no antibiotic meat, yum, yum.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Your dick may be 12", but mine’s 12’. And my IQ is 246.

God bless the interwebz.

waves penis, killing 12 innocent bystanders in the process[/quote]

That’s not a real humane method of harvesting your food.

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[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Your dick may be 12", but mine’s 12’. And my IQ is 246.

God bless the interwebz.

waves penis, killing 12 innocent bystanders in the process

That’s not a real humane method of harvesting your food.[/quote]

Don’t make me come over there and start waving.

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[quote]Lady_J wrote:

with an iq of 152 i would easily defer… after a peek at ur test results. lol

note, i did not post that to prove i was right, i merely was proving i did not suffer from a lack of intellect purely because i disagreed with rj[/quote]

I really do not place too much faith in IQ tests. Like a lot of things, they can be used as an excuse not to succeed. Its been well over a decade since I tested. There is discussion of 7 IQ’s, then the addition of EQ. In fact EQ (Emotional maturity) has a much higher correlation with financial success.[quote]

i went back through the posts regarding this topic and you bring many valid points to the table. I don’t think we are spiraling into extinction as rj put it, I just think we take many of our resources for granted. There may be an infinite number of fuel sources, but oil we will eventually use up.

I just think that some of the pictures being painted are a little too “rose-colored glasses,” while some are a little too “kiss ur ass goodbye.” Most people use facts to their opinions’ advantage, so the end result will probably be somewhere in between.[/quote]

You did bring up raping the planet, (which makes me think there are little holes everywhere,) and over the top statements can’t be taken seriously.

There is nothing wrong with trying to be environmental, as long as it does not go over the top, or lead to illogical ideas. If it wasn’t for environmentalists we would have a lot more New-Q-Ler plants in America, and less pollution as a result.

After the 3-Mile Island incident happened, (where the safety equipment actually did work,) people were in the local courthouse discussing all the radiation coming off the plant, blissfully unaware that they were receiving more radiation from the limestone in that building then they were getting from the Nuke plant.

People are trying to understand this world one sound bite at a time. We hear on the news about the polar bears dying off. But this is only part of the truth. Only one species of polar bear is actually in decline, when most are actually thriving.

Why don’t we ever hear that?[quote]

thanks for not calling me out of my name even though we have differing points of view. You are an intersection as opposed to a dead end. Have you read anything about the Barnett Shale here in TX?[/quote]

I prefer a more civil discourse. I have left debates that have gone into the gutter before. I understand people’s passion on the issues, but we do need to hear the other person. They just might be right. (Damn I sound like an afternoon special.)

The Barnett Shale you mention has been ramping up production of natural gas recently. Wikipedia says there are 2.5 trillion cu ft of proven reserves. (What we know we can get.) I should mention that there is something to the tune of 6 trillion cu ft that is either going to waste, (vented or burned) or not being tapped only because of the logistics involved with moving that gas. Yet with the gas to liquids technology that is no longer an issue.

Also research has been done proving that we can introduce microbes into the spent oil fields, and turn the oil we cannot get to into methane.

(How did this turn into another oil debate?)

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

No, mine is 153, at least here on the internet. My dick is 12" long too.

Mage, I kid ye. Excellent post, btw.
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I am hung like a porn star. No kidding, really am.

(Anyone see Japanese porn?)

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[quote]
The Mage wrote:
People who like to say we are running out of oil only used proved reserves which are not really designed to tell us what is actually available. It also only includes the best, cheapest oil, no heavy oil, tar sands, or oil shale.

Majin wrote:
That’s because these sources are far more expensive to extract, are disastrous for environment and they will not be able to supply energy at the same rates(not to mention ever expanding ones) as light crude. That’s what we’re running out of and that’s what is difficult to replace.[/quote]

Yes, all we hear about is the light sweet crude. And it is the easiest stuff to get. The other stuff is more expensive to process, though those costs are coming down. And as technology improves even more, the costs will be even lower.

But focusing only on the cheap and easy is not the right thing to do. We have the ability to multiply the quantity of oil by a ridiculous amount. I believe the cost for tar sands has been cut to $15 to produce a barrel of oil.[quote]

The Mage wrote:
Also technological improvements have a big impact. The Bakken reserve that rainjack alluded to has jumped by 25 times to 4 billion barrels in about a decade just because of technological improvements. And if technology improves more, that could jump to 100 billion barrels. This isn’t oil that is suddenly existing, but part of the vast amounts that are not counted for one reason or another.

Majin wrote:
Shale is not even oil. The extraction and conversion are much more expensive, slower and less efficient. Natural gas is just as limited as light crude. These methods are very limited and have tons of setbacks. All of them put together can’t touch light crude. Which is why a barrel will only go up in cost.[/quote]

The technology is really advancing. In fact they have found a way to get to the oil directly, without having to even mine the shale. In fact it is a lot cheaper, and much more environmentally friendly. And what do they get as a result? A real high quality light crude.

Shell has produced 1,700 barrels of oil in a very successful test on a 30 X 40 foot area.

No it is not as cheap as extracting light sweet crude. But so what? It is there, and at current prices all this stuff is actually quite profitable.

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[quote]The Mage wrote:
Yes, all we hear about is the light sweet crude. And it is the easiest stuff to get. The other stuff is more expensive to process, though those costs are coming down. And as technology improves even more, the costs will be even lower.

But focusing only on the cheap and easy is not the right thing to do. We have the ability to multiply the quantity of oil by a ridiculous amount. I believe the cost for tar sands has been cut to $15 to produce a barrel of oi ire Alberta tar sand operation yields about a million barrels per day. We use up 20-25 million per day. Add to that the ten mile shit lakes and I don’t see that replacing much.

[quote]The Mage wrote:
The technology is really advancing. In fact they have found a way to get to the oil directly, without having to even mine the shale. In fact it is a lot cheaper, and much more environmentally friendly. And what do they get as a result? A real high quality light crude.

Shell has produced 1,700 barrels of oil in a very successful test on a 30 X 40 foot area.

No it is not as cheap as extracting light sweet crude. But so what? It is there, and at current prices all this stuff is actually quite profitable.[/quote]

In situ shale extraction sounds great, but I HIGHLY doubt that extraction rates can even reach the orbit of what we’re using now. Especially considering how much readjustment and relocation(read energy, read cost) would need to be done at high extraction rates.

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[quote]Majin wrote:

In situ shale extraction sounds great, but I HIGHLY doubt that extraction rates can even reach the orbit of what we’re using now. Especially considering how much readjustment and relocation(read energy, read cost) would need to be done at high extraction rates.
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Maybe, maybe not. But why should it? If we start using it does that mean we will suddenly quit using all other sources of oil?

You cannot look at this in a vacuum. But it is still 800 Billion Barrels extractable at our current technology, for only one area. And this is not the only source of oil shale.

We are also talking about oil sands, heavy oil, and gas to liquids technology. All of these are quite viable at oil prices way below what they are right now.

But the point is to keep oil flowing until it is replaced as a major energy source, which is becoming more and more likely every day.

Said it before, and I will say it again. Of all the upcomming technologies, I think the electric car is going to win out:

(I want this car.)

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[quote]Brown_Lifter wrote:
what does cat meat taste like?[/quote]

tastes like rabbit

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[quote]The Mage wrote:
But the point is to keep oil flowing until it is replaced as a major energy source, which is becoming more and more likely every day.

Said it before, and I will say it again. Of all the upcomming technologies, I think the electric car is going to win out:

(I want this car.)[/quote]

Nice car.

I hope things work out as much as anyone else. But so far I see no combination of energy sources that would allow us to continue the way we are now for long. And from history I know that there are rarely any smooth transitions. Profits are usually drained all the way until the last moment, with the population serving as the cushion for the blow. Hope I’m proven wrong.