The Morality of Eating Meat

this is our own congress http://www.hubbertpeak.com/US/Congress/GAOPeakReportBartlettUdall20070329.pdf

British Petroleum Statistical Review of World Energy 2007
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/reports_and_publications/statistical_energy_review_2007/STAGING/local_assets/downloads/pdf/statistical_review_of_world_energy_full_report_2007.pdf

shows consumption increased by .65 million barrels per day while production only increased by .3 million, what that means is we are only replacing 46% of what we use today… now take into consideration the 1.167% population growth rate and the fact that our current population is a little over 6.6 billion

[quote]lixy wrote:
dk44 wrote:
We aren’t the only animals that cause harm to the planet, sharks piss and shit in the ocean. That can’t be a good thing.

Don’t worry about that. Many species of sharks are on the verge of extinction.

Seriously though, shark piss and shit is organic and non-toxic. Pesticides, industrial waste and other toxins which we dump in the oceans are creating a myriad of problem for the marine fauna and flora.[/quote]

Dammit Lixy how can you defend this shit? Sharks are using the ocean as their personal potties. The only conclusion I can come to is that you are a “Pool-Pisser” yourself, you nasty SOB.

[quote]Lady_J wrote:
really? which point would you like me to prove exactly? Let me know and i’ll send you what you want. You’re arguing with things i’ve said and you’ve said to the point I’m not sure what the hell we are talking about anymore.[/quote]

Your fucking laziness is not my problem. I’m not going to do your work for you.

Everything you have said. I could give a flying fuck what lixy thinks - so that is no badge of honor. Siding with her is usually the worst place to be. If you would only fucking read what I wrote. You are too lazy to breathe your own fucking air.

[quote]you are the only one disagreeing with me baby and no one here is jumping in to support any of your comments…

what does the time i have been a member of this website have anything to do with views on environment and meat? This is not some super elite ultra exclusive club… it’s a public forum[/quote]

It is a public forum. One with archives. A public forum that, were you to get off your lazy fucking ass and actually do a fucking search, has already discussed this shit ad nauseum. Your views are plastic, and little more than a regurgitation of what you hear on TV. It fit’s in with your intellectual laziness.

It must be lost on those exercising such a severe lack of intellect. But then that probably goes over your head as well.

Until you get off your lazy ass and actually prove your assertions about man’s raping of the environment, I will consider this matter closed - as there is not much value in arguing with idiots who ignore requests for proof.

[quote]lixy wrote:
dk44 wrote:
We aren’t the only animals that cause harm to the planet, sharks piss and shit in the ocean. That can’t be a good thing.

Don’t worry about that. Many species of sharks are on the verge of extinction.

Seriously though, shark piss and shit is organic and non-toxic. Pesticides, industrial waste and other toxins which we dump in the oceans are creating a myriad of problem for the marine fauna and flora.[/quote]

Please cite your proof for this bullshit.

[quote]Lady_J wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Lady_J wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Lady_J wrote:

Now - either go find some links proving your point, or just admit to talking out of your ass. It is obvious you are too lazy to back up anything you say.

this is from Times The Times & The Sunday Times
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Shell is not talking about the earth’s supply of oil. There are untold billions of barrels of oil that have never even been tapped. Google the discovery in South Dakota. Open up ANWAR - there is no such thing as running out of oil.

http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/

[quote]this includes finding from IEA

You are right that in the fact that we are not going to run out today or tomorrow, but production cannot keep up with supply and ever increasing global population. It will start to run out in the near future.

Go to msnbc and check out the oil and energy section, Daniel Yergin of Cambridge Energy Research Associates debunks the "peak oil’ theory as he discusses a new report that says the world’s oil supply will not begin to run out for at least another 24 years… but 24 years isn’t shit

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This is exactly what I mean when I say your arguments are old and debunked here. Just go look in the political forum, as I haven’t the inclination to repost things that have been posted time and again against arguments just like yours.

Even taking Yergin at his word - 24 years is not rape. You use fatalistic words, but when pressed have to back track.

His theories do not take into account new technologies for for making hard to get oil accessible. He’s talking as if nothing will change, and he’d be wrong.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Lady_J wrote:

Everything you have said. I could give a flying fuck what lixy thinks - so that is no badge of honor. Siding with her is usually the worst place to be. If you would only fucking read what I wrote. You are too lazy to breathe your own fucking air.

It is a public forum. One with archives. A public forum that, were you to get off your lazy fucking ass and actually do a fucking search, has already discussed this shit ad nauseum. Your views are plastic, and little more than a regurgitation of what you hear on TV. It fit’s in with your intellectual laziness.

It must be lost on those exercising such a severe lack of intellect. But then that probably goes over your head as well.

Until you get off your lazy ass and actually prove your assertions about man’s raping of the environment, I will consider this matter closed - as there is not much value in arguing with idiots who ignore requests for proof.
[/quote]

Ok, i posted 4 links, research findings from cambridge, and supporting population statistics before you posted this. Lack of intellect? My SAT score was a 1430, my IQ is 140, you judgemental prick.

Where is your proof? chop, chop!

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Lady_J wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Lady_J wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Lady_J wrote:

Now - either go find some links proving your point, or just admit to talking out of your ass. It is obvious you are too lazy to back up anything you say.

this is from Times The Times & The Sunday Times

Shell is not talking about the earth’s supply of oil. There are untold billions of barrels of oil that have never even been tapped. Google the discovery in South Dakota. Open up ANWAR - there is no such thing as running out of oil.

http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/

this includes finding from IEA

You are right that in the fact that we are not going to run out today or tomorrow, but production cannot keep up with supply and ever increasing global population. It will start to run out in the near future.

Go to msnbc and check out the oil and energy section, Daniel Yergin of Cambridge Energy Research Associates debunks the "peak oil’ theory as he discusses a new report that says the world’s oil supply will not begin to run out for at least another 24 years… but 24 years isn’t shit

This is exactly what I mean when I say your arguments are old and debunked here. Just go look in the political forum, as I haven’t the inclination to repost things that have been posted time and again against arguments just like yours.

Even taking Yergin at his word - 24 years is not rape. You use fatalistic words, but when pressed have to back track.

His theories do not take into account new technologies for for making hard to get oil accessible. He’s talking as if nothing will change, and he’d be wrong.

[/quote]

24 years is rape… do you know how old this planet is? Do a simple ratio and you’ll see just how infinetesimal it is. Just because 24 years is a long time to you doesn’t make it so in the grand scheme of things. 24 years is NOTHING! And he does account for things changing… population increases, new technology may help find more but will also use more…

[quote]Lady_J wrote:
this is our own congress http://www.hubbertpeak.com/US/Congress/GAOPeakReportBartlettUdall20070329.pdf

British Petroleum Statistical Review of World Energy 2007
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/reports_and_publications/statistical_energy_review_2007/STAGING/local_assets/downloads/pdf/statistical_review_of_world_energy_full_report_2007.pdf

shows consumption increased by .65 million barrels per day while production only increased by .3 million, what that means is we are only replacing 46% of what we use today… now take into consideration the 1.167% population growth rate and the fact that our current population is a little over 6.6 billion [/quote]

Production has little to do with reserves. OPEC has cut production for the last few years in avery very successful attempt to drive the price of oil up.

Please. You are not even trying.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Lady_J wrote:
this is our own congress http://www.hubbertpeak.com/US/Congress/GAOPeakReportBartlettUdall20070329.pdf

British Petroleum Statistical Review of World Energy 2007
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/reports_and_publications/statistical_energy_review_2007/STAGING/local_assets/downloads/pdf/statistical_review_of_world_energy_full_report_2007.pdf

shows consumption increased by .65 million barrels per day while production only increased by .3 million, what that means is we are only replacing 46% of what we use today… now take into consideration the 1.167% population growth rate and the fact that our current population is a little over 6.6 billion

Production has little to do with reserves. OPEC has cut production for the last few years in avery very successful attempt to drive the price of oil up.

Please. You are not even trying. [/quote]

but i posted proof… again WHERE IS YOURS???

OPEC is one of the few saying there is no shortage and they are also the ones fuckin us in the ass… so why would I believe their reports when the IEA, cambridge research studies, world statistical reports, Oil production giants, etc all talk about a looming shortage?

My father owned an oil company and drilled here in the states, venezuela and even worked in the middle east some. He held contracts with Halliburton, Shell, etc. He knows first hand that things are not as rosy as our fucked up goverment wants us to believe

[quote]Lady_J wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Lady_J wrote:

Everything you have said. I could give a flying fuck what lixy thinks - so that is no badge of honor. Siding with her is usually the worst place to be. If you would only fucking read what I wrote. You are too lazy to breathe your own fucking air.

It is a public forum. One with archives. A public forum that, were you to get off your lazy fucking ass and actually do a fucking search, has already discussed this shit ad nauseum. Your views are plastic, and little more than a regurgitation of what you hear on TV. It fit’s in with your intellectual laziness.

It must be lost on those exercising such a severe lack of intellect. But then that probably goes over your head as well.

Until you get off your lazy ass and actually prove your assertions about man’s raping of the environment, I will consider this matter closed - as there is not much value in arguing with idiots who ignore requests for proof.

Ok, i posted 4 links, research findings from cambridge, and supporting population statistics before you posted this. Lack of intellect? My SAT score was a 1430, my IQ is 140, you judgemental prick.

Where is your proof? chop, chop!

[/quote]

And my dick is a foot long. See? I can play that game too.

Lady_J I love your pic! It has a Elvira feel to it!

[quote]dk44 wrote:
Lady_J I love your pic![/quote]

that’s great!!! you should check out my myspace pics, I was elvira for halloween!! lol

Wow, I leave for two days and this thread gets pretty good.

I enjoyed reading:

-The doomsday theory people
-The people who, conversely, feel that our growing population has zero negative effect or our surroundings.
-The people who think we’re already out of food and oil.
-The people who think we’ll never be out of food and oil.
-The people arguing over how many people we can cram into Texas.
-The guy who, unless I read wrong, has eaten human. (how was it?)

[quote]Lady_J wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Lady_J wrote:
this is our own congress http://www.hubbertpeak.com/US/Congress/GAOPeakReportBartlettUdall20070329.pdf

British Petroleum Statistical Review of World Energy 2007
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/reports_and_publications/statistical_energy_review_2007/STAGING/local_assets/downloads/pdf/statistical_review_of_world_energy_full_report_2007.pdf

shows consumption increased by .65 million barrels per day while production only increased by .3 million, what that means is we are only replacing 46% of what we use today… now take into consideration the 1.167% population growth rate and the fact that our current population is a little over 6.6 billion

Production has little to do with reserves. OPEC has cut production for the last few years in avery very successful attempt to drive the price of oil up.

Please. You are not even trying.

but i posted proof… again WHERE IS YOURS???

[/quote]

You posted peak oil bullshit. I really love it when idiots demand proof that has already been provided - and they just refuse to read.

Now how about that Ozone that the humans have destroyed? I certainly hope you proof of that is more compelling than a bunch of Peak Oil dillweed links.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Lady_J wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Lady_J wrote:

Everything you have said. I could give a flying fuck what lixy thinks - so that is no badge of honor. Siding with her is usually the worst place to be. If you would only fucking read what I wrote. You are too lazy to breathe your own fucking air.

It is a public forum. One with archives. A public forum that, were you to get off your lazy fucking ass and actually do a fucking search, has already discussed this shit ad nauseum. Your views are plastic, and little more than a regurgitation of what you hear on TV. It fit’s in with your intellectual laziness.

It must be lost on those exercising such a severe lack of intellect. But then that probably goes over your head as well.

Until you get off your lazy ass and actually prove your assertions about man’s raping of the environment, I will consider this matter closed - as there is not much value in arguing with idiots who ignore requests for proof.

Ok, i posted 4 links, research findings from cambridge, and supporting population statistics before you posted this. Lack of intellect? My SAT score was a 1430, my IQ is 140, you judgemental prick.

Where is your proof? chop, chop!

And my dick is a foot long. See? I can play that game too.
[/quote]

lol. baby i could care less about your dick…
you can’t even support what you are saying, let alone prove it. In fact you have avoided almost every question i have directly asked you. You just attack all of my statements… hmmmm. wonder why that is?

[quote]rainjack wrote:
there is no such thing as running out of oil. [/quote]

It’s hard for me to take you seriously after this.

The thing is…

A random kid who is born to a drunkard dad with no money and is sexually abused by her perverted uncle is a victim.

Nobody is actually inflicting the entire bad scenario on her but she is suffering, she doesn’t even remotely think of whey, eggs, cutting, bulking, y’know.

Similarly, those animals are much more slaves to fate, as are all living things to a good extent and those animals are alive for the very reason to be slaughtered someday and meet our protein requirements.

The least you can do is not waste meat, is not insult their deaths that way.

The least you can do is boil it instead of frying it so it doesn’t have as much fat and helps your muscles.

Get me?

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Lady_J wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Lady_J wrote:
this is our own congress http://www.hubbertpeak.com/US/Congress/GAOPeakReportBartlettUdall20070329.pdf

British Petroleum Statistical Review of World Energy 2007
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/reports_and_publications/statistical_energy_review_2007/STAGING/local_assets/downloads/pdf/statistical_review_of_world_energy_full_report_2007.pdf

shows consumption increased by .65 million barrels per day while production only increased by .3 million, what that means is we are only replacing 46% of what we use today… now take into consideration the 1.167% population growth rate and the fact that our current population is a little over 6.6 billion

Production has little to do with reserves. OPEC has cut production for the last few years in avery very successful attempt to drive the price of oil up.

Please. You are not even trying.

but i posted proof… again WHERE IS YOURS???

You posted peak oil bullshit. I really love it when idiots demand proof that has already been provided - and they just refuse to read.

Now how about that Ozone that the humans have destroyed? I certainly hope you proof of that is more compelling than a bunch of Peak Oil dillweed links.

[/quote]

they weren’t all peak oil links, guess you didn’t read them, huh? The cambridge study debunked peak oil theory. tit for tat, quid pro quo… post a link with something debunking these articles and findings then we’ll move on to ozone…

So far the only link i find that you, yourself provided was posted in feb about gas prices falling through may… hmmmmmm Really? guess we missed out on those falling gas prices here in Frisco. I will continue looking for proof u submitted, not just just piggybacked off of…

On the energy front, though I don’t know how we ended up discussing that.

I believe strict measures are needed, like trashing vehicles which use too much fuel, are harmful and paying the owner/replacing it with a electricity/lpg based vehicle.

We should seriously create some eco friendly which is also cool simultaneously banning un-eco friendly stuff.

[quote]TooHuman wrote:
I don’t see any reason to have sex with my mother but do not consider it wrong morally[/quote]

Holy crap.

Fucking weirdo.