The Media and Roids?

[boxingash]

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Yes red04, she had. This whole thing sparked because she made the comment in another thread that “you cannot be happy or healthy if you are not natural or use drugs.”

Then when I challenged her statement all she has come up with is that one of her friends became addicted to the benefits that steroids provided and “messed up his life”. And so according to her, steroids are evil, even though she has done no research on them and is basing her entire opinion on her friends addiction.

My point was that she hasn’t used them, hasn’t done any research on them, so how can she hope to argue with someone who has done both and hope to prove anything to me?

Her analogy was a blanket statement concerning the use of steroids. That’s like me telling someone who enjoys drinking that it is the equivalent of jumping off a bridge to your death. It’s just a foolish thing to say.

(And before anyone jumps on me about equating alcohol and steroids, go do some research and see which one has more related deaths or even emergency room visits. You will find alcohol is vastly ahead of steroids in that regard.)[/quote]

I actually said was that I am attracted to people who don’t use steroids. I spend most of my time around muay thai and boxing fighters. I just find men attractive that way. I didn’t say I had a problem with roids. I’m just not turned on by the ‘look’ of extensive use of roids.

Enjoying drinking is one thing. But alcoholics are another. And there really isnt any problem with people who might have done a couple cycles to give an edge. But there comes a point, where just like alcohol, a person feels like they cannot be who they want to be without alcohol or another artificial self-esteem booster. Most body builders are smart and keep their look aestheticly pleasing. Everything in moderation is good for you. It’s the moderation part that requires something more.

But really as a man, please dont think that you need to be huge to be attractive… You don’t. Most men on here have amazing bodies as they are, you should be happy with it. Happy enough that you don’t base your self worth on your size.

Where women have anorexia, men have bigorexia.

[chicktuna]

[quote]MISCONCEPTION wrote:
All this baseball alex rodriguez shit just makes me laugh. The media is so stupid when it comes to juice. does anyone actually believe that AR just used a bit of juice three years ago?

Or that there is only a select group of baseball players have done a couple of cycles once in there life. Hes probably on GH AS WE SPEAK. and there is no test for that!

I would say that 95% of NFL players of juice (hard to catch in there water based offs season).

baseball was probably 85% catching up

Track and FIeld (100%)

Basketball ( I would say has less immediate gains from roids so they probably are at around 70%)

How would you feel if you knew that every single pro athlete you ever liked juiced ?

Im not a fan of steroids , Ive seen to many lame asses build there entire physiques off of them which some how qualifies them as experts. I also think for the most part those guys just look like there muscles are baloons. IMO pro athletes today are mostly built there quality from juice as a minor foundation. Not there skills first.[/quote]

I have to stop you on that one. Steroids do not make the athlete. The athlete makes the steroids. He has to eat and sleep well but in a world were you are expected to compete there will be people takin them and in order to KEEP UP they have to get some help but I can’t just take steroids and say "I am the next ronnie coleman, warren sapp,walter payton.

[Bricknyce]

I don’t say media workers are stupid; I say they’re ignorant. People trained in communications, public relations, and journalism don’t study nutrition, exercise, and anabolic pharmacology; so they’re going to come across as if they don’t know what they’re talking about to us more informed people, even if they’ve had what they call “media training.”

It’s only a tiny minority of people out there that have both the expertise in nutrition (RDs, nutritionists), anabolic pharmacology (chemists, pharmacists), and/or athletic training (strength coaches, personal trainers) that partake in media relations.

My organizations, the American Dietetics Association and the Greater New York Dietetics Association, give media training to RDs who are up for it. And some PR firms do have sports and nutrition practices. Maybe some of these lughead athletes should use them more often.

I have no moral problem with athletes using steroids in this day and age; but I do think they come across like babbling, apologetic idiots when dealing with the media, despite whatever their PR/communications advisers tell them to say.

[buckeye_girl]

[quote]boxingash wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Yes red04, she had. This whole thing sparked because she made the comment in another thread that “you cannot be happy or healthy if you are not natural or use drugs.”

Then when I challenged her statement all she has come up with is that one of her friends became addicted to the benefits that steroids provided and “messed up his life”. And so according to her, steroids are evil, even though she has done no research on them and is basing her entire opinion on her friends addiction.

My point was that she hasn’t used them, hasn’t done any research on them, so how can she hope to argue with someone who has done both and hope to prove anything to me?

Her analogy was a blanket statement concerning the use of steroids. That’s like me telling someone who enjoys drinking that it is the equivalent of jumping off a bridge to your death. It’s just a foolish thing to say.

(And before anyone jumps on me about equating alcohol and steroids, go do some research and see which one has more related deaths or even emergency room visits. You will find alcohol is vastly ahead of steroids in that regard.)

I actually said was that I am attracted to people who don’t use steroids. I spend most of my time around muay thai and boxing fighters. I just find men attractive that way. I didn’t say I had a problem with roids. I’m just not turned on by the ‘look’ of extensive use of roids.

Enjoying drinking is one thing. But alcoholics are another. And there really isnt any problem with people who might have done a couple cycles to give an edge. But there comes a point, where just like alcohol, a person feels like they cannot be who they want to be without alcohol or another artificial self-esteem booster. Most body builders are smart and keep their look aestheticly pleasing. Everything in moderation is good for you. It’s the moderation part that requires something more.

But really as a man, please dont think that you need to be huge to be attractive… You don’t. Most men on here have amazing bodies as they are, you should be happy with it. Happy enough that you don’t base your self worth on your size.

Where women have anorexia, men have bigorexia.
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Tell me Dr. Phil, at what point is one abusing AAS? When one goes beyond what you’ve decided is aesthetically pleasing?

There are athletic and healthy looking powerlifters that are take ridiculous amounts of shit nearly year round. And all those pretty, feminine figure competitors are taking shit too. These athletes are relatively healthy and certainly not physically dependent on AAS like an alcoholic is dependent on alcohol. Are they “abusing drugs” even if they have “aesthetically pleasing physiques”??

[boxingash]

Tell me Dr. Phil, at what point is one abusing AAS? When one goes beyond what you’ve decided is aesthetically pleasing?

There are athletic and healthy looking powerlifters that are take ridiculous amounts of shit nearly year round. And all those pretty, feminine figure competitors are taking shit too. These athletes are relatively healthy and certainly not physically dependent on AAS like an alcoholic is dependent on alcohol. Are they “abusing drugs” even if they have “aesthetically pleasing physiques”??

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Dr. Phil? looks behind her

That’s my opinion. I don’t like huge, I’m not interested in anything that is overdone. that is all… what do you care?

I think that people work hard enough for their aesthetics without steroids.

I also think that you have your own mind about what is attractive.

[buckeye_girl]

[quote]boxingash wrote:

Dr. Phil? looks behind her

That’s my opinion. I don’t like huge, I’m not interested in anything that is overdone. that is all… what do you care?

I think that people work hard enough for their aesthetics without steroids.

I also think that you have your own mind about what is attractive. [/quote]

We arent talking about what you think is attractive. That doesnt matter unless you are honestly arrogant enough to believe that I, or anyone else here, care to hear more about what you find attractive.

I asked you how you define steroid abuse. You make claims about things being ok in moderation, and then say steroids are bad because you dont find some of the people who take them attractive. Defining abuse based on something as subjective as what you personally find attractive is naive and ultimately flawed.

If you want to talk about moderation and abuse, youre going to have to provide some more concrete metrics. Of course, I doubt you can actually do that for us because you dont actually know anything about steroid use.

[JGerman]

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
boxingash wrote:

Dr. Phil? looks behind her

That’s my opinion. I don’t like huge, I’m not interested in anything that is overdone. that is all… what do you care?

I think that people work hard enough for their aesthetics without steroids.

I also think that you have your own mind about what is attractive.

We arent talking about what you think is attractive. That doesnt matter unless you are honestly arrogant enough to believe that I, or anyone else here, care to hear more about what you find attractive.

I asked you how you define steroid abuse. You make claims about things being ok in moderation, and then say steroids are bad because you dont find some of the people who take them attractive. Defining abuse based on something as subjective as what you personally find attractive is naive and ultimately flawed.

If you want to talk about moderation and abuse, youre going to have to provide some more concrete metrics. Of course, I doubt you can actually do that for us because you dont actually know anything about steroid use.[/quote]

Offended? You on juice BG or just your boyfriend?

[MarvelGirl]

[quote]boxingash wrote:
I actually said was that I am attracted to people who don’t use steroids. I spend most of my time around muay thai and boxing fighters. I just find men attractive that way. I didn’t say I had a problem with roids. I’m just not turned on by the ‘look’ of extensive use of roids.

Enjoying drinking is one thing. But alcoholics are another. And there really isnt any problem with people who might have done a couple cycles to give an edge.

But there comes a point, where just like alcohol, a person feels like they cannot be who they want to be without alcohol or another artificial self-esteem booster. Most body builders are smart and keep their look aestheticly pleasing. Everything in moderation is good for you. It’s the moderation part that requires something more.

But really as a man, please dont think that you need to be huge to be attractive… You don’t. Most men on here have amazing bodies as they are, you should be happy with it. Happy enough that you don’t base your self worth on your size.

Where women have anorexia, men have bigorexia.
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You are the female equivalent of men who think that they have the right to approach women they don’t know and inform them that they’ve “ruined” their bodies by getting tattoos or breast implants, or building too much muscle, and believe that said women should be devastated that they no longer want to stick their dicks in them.

That’s exactly what you are.

[boxingash]

ACTUALLY>>>> this started when i posted some pics on the t-vixen thread… and someone asked what im attracted to… I said im not interested in 'HUGE’and i got crucified for it.

I’m sure you will all survive even though i have a difference in opinion thats not going to change or go quiet just cause its outnumbered.

I’ve been called worse things in my life, marvel girl, but unlike in real life i cant punch you in the throat for it.

[waylanderxx]

[quote]boxingash wrote:
ACTUALLY>>>> this started when i posted some pics on the t-vixen thread… and someone asked what im attracted to… I said im not interested in 'HUGE’and i got crucified for it.
[/quote]

Don’t lie, I’m too lazy to go dig up your post but you said almost exactly “you cannot be happy or healthy if you aren’t natural or use drugs”.

Don’t change your story, it’s futile. Everything you type on this website is stored in an archive and in 10 minutes I could find the exact post where you made that claim.

No one cares what type of guy you are attracted too, it’s when you tell other people how they need to live their lives that get’s you in to trouble.

I find it amusing that you have remained this stubborn for months now and refuse to apologize for your outlandish comment.

[buckeye_girl]

[quote]boxingash wrote:
ACTUALLY>>>> this started when i posted some pics on the t-vixen thread… and someone asked what im attracted to… I said im not interested in 'HUGE’and i got crucified for it.

I’m sure you will all survive even though i have a difference in opinion thats not going to change or go quiet just cause its outnumbered.

I’ve been called worse things in my life, marvel girl, but unlike in real life i cant punch you in the throat for it.[/quote]

Another post in this thread and you still haven’t answered my question.

Enough about those scrawny metro guys that wear tiny Affliction shirts because they’re into MMA that you find attractive. I really don’t care about that. You can have them all.

You obviously know so much about steroids, abuse, and health, so tell me… How much is too much? When does steroid use turn into steroid abuse?

[buckeye_girl]

[quote]JGerman wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
boxingash wrote:

Dr. Phil? looks behind her

That’s my opinion. I don’t like huge, I’m not interested in anything that is overdone. that is all… what do you care?

I think that people work hard enough for their aesthetics without steroids.

I also think that you have your own mind about what is attractive.

We arent talking about what you think is attractive. That doesnt matter unless you are honestly arrogant enough to believe that I, or anyone else here, care to hear more about what you find attractive.

I asked you how you define steroid abuse. You make claims about things being ok in moderation, and then say steroids are bad because you dont find some of the people who take them attractive. Defining abuse based on something as subjective as what you personally find attractive is naive and ultimately flawed.

If you want to talk about moderation and abuse, youre going to have to provide some more concrete metrics. Of course, I doubt you can actually do that for us because you dont actually know anything about steroid use.

Offended? You on juice BG or just your boyfriend?

[/quote]

What I, my boyfriend, or anyone else I know put into their body is none of your business.

This woman’s claims about steroid use and what is healthy go against any literature I’ve read. I just want the science to back up her statements. She obviously knows so much more than I, considering she has found all this information that I have not.

[asusvenus]

[quote]jerm wrote:
I think now more than ever then is an opportunity to examine ourselves and make the right decisions and encourage the next generation, being our sons to make the right decisions as far as the usage of steroids, are we using them for the right thing? Are we actually using them to heal, to increase our natural potential or simply to get that scholarship, get that contract and get to the next level where we can get what those who chose not to use PEDs were left out of. This is the important thing to capture in this argument, steroids are not the problem, our integrity is.
[/quote]

Who are you to decide what the right reasons are?
You make it sound like there is any morality that covers whether to juice or not? (I actually don’t believe in any sort of moral at all)

Personaly I don’t care if people juice or not. I have respect for the people who research well into the subject and uses wisely. Zero for those who doesn’t.

With that said, I don’t see myself as ever taking it. (Wouldn’t be able to handle the "Duuuude you take roids, it’s all phakemuscles!!)

[Paste42]

Steroids can’t make you hit a 95 mph fastball. They can’t teach you a hit-and-run. You can’t recognized a blitz with 'em. Regardless of whether or not athletes juice, they still have extraordinary skills that allow them to be professionals. The media just wants to belittle athletes so they can sleep at night knowing damn well that they can’t measure up. I say make steriods legal so that it’s fair no matter what. If the youth wants to try em without the knowledge to take the substance, a smaller population wouldn’t be a bad thing really.

lol…ok last statment was a bit wrong but oh well.