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[quote]Meni69 wrote:
Sanchez is playing like a rookie.
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I blame some of this on coaching, but mostly on Sanchez.

Going back to the “Snachez is as good as Brady” conversation.

His demeanor yesterday is another example of why that comparison is ludicrous. Brady typically comes out on fire after he gets his ass beat on. He doesn’t lose two in row often. Brady seems to have a drive to win head and shoulders over Sanchez. Brady takes charge of his fate, where Sanchez looks like a lost little kid.

Sanchez looks to be fragile in the mind and ego… That is where I blame coaching. If Rex can’;t turn this kid around, it is over. Because it doesn’t seem like he can do it himself. granted he had a couple balls dropped on him that would have made a great difference in that game, but all in all… He looked like a bully that just got his ass beat by the smallest kid in class.

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whoa whoa…I admit he has played like crap over the past three games no doubt…but he also looked great pulling victory out of the jaws of defeat…I dont care who he was playing against, lest we forget that he pulled off an excellent win against the browns a team that beat the pats.

it was one guy who compared him to brady…no one else and it is ridiculous, but im not giving up on him, he is a good young QB and will be an all pro caliber qb for the next decade In my humble opinion.

Its not fair to compare sanchez to one of the best qbs ever.

Also Brady had some struggles (not too many) in his first couple of years, bledsoe not brady won the afc championship game as he got hurt…now I know Brady was the mvp of that superbowl, but he threw for 150 or so yards certainly not spetacular.

His second year in the league…brady threw a shit ton of intercepttions (14) and the pats didnt make the playoffs…again were you guys ready to throw in the towel…probably not.

Again Brady is already an immortal QB…all Im saying is Sanchez is young and to say sanchez hasnt shown that he has the potential to be an excellent qb in a year and 3/4 ’ is stupid.

Also Rex Ryan is no Bill Bellichek, another added benefit Brady had…just like Sanchez Ryans only been a head coach for a couple of years!

Your still my boy Mark!

lol

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[quote]Meni69 wrote:
Jets fans? how do you feel today? Your team was exposed, Sanchez is playing like a rookie. The dolphins with chad henne beat the jets in Jersey, YIKES, ship sinking. I guess burying that football didn’t work.
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I feel like shit…thanks for asking

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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]print wrote:
^ A win is a win is a win… Don’t care who it’s against. They didn’t make the sched. the league did. & though I’m not one to brag about them due to my pessimistic ways, they did play in the AFC championship game last yr. W/a 9-7 record. That is why I said lets see what happens over the next month. [/quote]

A win is not a win. Bullcrap. And I’m also talking about the losses. Losses to all teams with records over .500 except the Pats in week 2.

I could go across any sport and tell you the teams that weren’t going to win anything of significance because they couldn’t beat teams with winning records during the regular season. That speaks volumes about a team’s strength, depth and quality.

I can not believe how many Jets fans just overlook the fact that the Jets were practically given a ticket to the playoffs that they had no business being a part of because the Bengals had nothing to play for in week 17 and rested their starters.

Did they make it to the AFC championship game after that free ticket to the playoffs? Sure. Do I personally think they way overachieved and had a great little run to make it to the AFC game once they got in the playoffs? Absolutely.

Their whole season this year has not been impressive at all. Never mind that they haven’t been able to beat teams with winning records. I counted at least 4 games against mediocre teams where the other team practically gave it away at the end to the Jets.

Trust me. You are not coming across as pessimistic at all. More like with blinders on to how good you think you’re team is. Yes, we shall see what happens the rest of the season.[/quote]

Again what Jet fans are you talking about?.all the jet fans know we got a fucking gift ticket to the playoffs last year…but shit man, again no credit for a team that for all intents and purposes (did I mess up that saying?) should not of been there?

Beating the Bengals and Chargers both away games does not impress anyone? Fuck that first half of the championship game with a rookie QB and coach? I was at that game … man that was a great day!

I know its cool to hate the jets and I get it, our coach is blowhard and its NY, but dont let your hate blind your sensibilities…that playoff run was impressive.

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I love the Jets and have for years, Born in Brooklyn lived in NY for most of Childhood…but as with all sports fans and their teams it’s hard when your squad just can’t quite get things going.

I thought the shalacking NE gave us was enough for the Jets to put things together…apparently not.

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The other thing Ill say is its amazing that the Jets and their new image has turned them into the villains (rightfully so) and the arrogant, sore loser, surly bellichek and Tom Brady into Padre Pio and Mother Theresa!

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
I love the Jets and have for years, Born in Brooklyn lived in NY for most of Childhood…but as with all sports fans and their teams it’s hard when your squad just can’t quite get things going.

I thought the shalacking NE gave us was enough for the Jets to put things together…apparently not.[/quote]

One of the few Jet fans that has come on this thread to defend their team…Gang Green thanks you! Print, we need more of your presence here!

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
The other thing Ill say is its amazing that the Jets and their new image has turned them into the villains (rightfully so) and the arrogant, sore loser, surly bellichek and Tom Brady into Padre Pio and Mother Theresa![/quote]

This is another reason for me to like the Jets.

Plus it helps in another way too:

More than a Pats fan, I’m a football fan. I’m too old to ‘hate’ anyone or any team. These are guys that are risking “life and limb” for millions of dollars and my entertainment. I don’t hate a single one of them. Nor do I hate any teams. I fucking loathed Dallas in the 90’s, I would have spit in Troy’s face given the opportunity.

Now, with kids and a wife, a career and house, with real life goals and accomplishments, I don’t have time for hate. I don’t have time to put down another team just because of the colors they wear, especially since free agency.

So do I wish the Pats would win every year? Sure, that is why I don’t turn the difficulty up too high in Madden, lol.

But like I said, I’m more an NFL fan than a Pats fan, and even then I fucking love routing for the underdog. I can’t help it.

With the Jets getting all the media love, the Pats shitty D numbers (up until Thanksgiving, lol) and Pitts’ dominate D, Vick etc, etc etc… The Pats were suddenly the underdogs again, and it was fun to route and cheer for them.

So I remain skeptical, and eat my own “humble pie” about them, and maybe fluff up another team a bit. Because outside of a few rejects on the internet, normal people understand. BB teams don’t win by thinking they can win. They don’t win believing their own hype. BB teams don’t win by talking about being the best. BB teams don’t beat themselves. BB teams STFU and prepare for every game. BB teams can self evaluate, see their weaknesses and fix them. BB teams play like a team with a chip on its shoulder, and prove shit on the field not in press clippings.

That is why I love the Jets. Because they have a fucking dominant team on paper. Fucking sick ass team on paper. Smart money is on that D, on paper… But…

There is always a but…

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^^ careful with those observation-based judgements, Irish

Last time I compared Bradford, Stafford and Sanchez and the Jets fans around here didnt know how to act

edit - since I can’t help myself. and note that this reporter covers NYJ: Sanchez hasn’t hit 60 percent completions in the last month, and was 17-of-44 Sunday for a season-worst 38.6 rate. He also has five turnovers compared to zero touchdowns in his last two games. For the second straight year, Sanchez is falling apart down the stretch of the season. Mark Brunell and Kellen Clemens aren’t better options, but Sanchez will have to fix his confidence and pocket presence if the Jets are going to make any noise in the playoffs. There’s not much he can do about his below-average arm strength.

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[quote]chillain wrote:
^^ careful with those observation-based judgements, Irish

Last time I compared Bradford, Stafford and Sanchez and the Jets fans around here didnt know how to act

edit - since I can’t help myself. and note that this reporter covers NYJ: Sanchez hasn’t hit 60 percent completions in the last month, and was 17-of-44 Sunday for a season-worst 38.6 rate. He also has five turnovers compared to zero touchdowns in his last two games. For the second straight year, Sanchez is falling apart down the stretch of the season. Mark Brunell and Kellen Clemens aren’t better options, but Sanchez will have to fix his confidence and pocket presence if the Jets are going to make any noise in the playoffs. There’s not much he can do about his below-average arm strength.
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below average arm strength? what happened? he has lost arm strength since coming out of college?

this is an excerpt from NFL.com when Mark came out of college

Pick Analysis: In an aggressive move, the Jets pick up their quarterback of the future in Sanchez. Although the former Trojan only recorded 16 starts in college, he is regarded as the quarterback prospect with the biggest upside due to his superior arm strength, accuracy and leadership skills. With extensive experience in the West Coast offense, Sanchez is in line to be the Jets’ starting quarterback on opening day.

now below avergage?

I dont get it…does he have superior arm strength, no, but after watching a qb with below average arm strength for a very long time (i.e. Pennington) There is NO way Sanchez has a below average arm…he has an above average arm.

I dont care if he covers the Jets, Sanchez does not have a poor arm

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On a slightly different note…I CANNOT WAIT FOR THE JINTS EAGLES GAME NEXT WEEK!

RETARDO MANNING FTW!

For the first time in my life my two favorite players are qbs

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On a slightly different note…I CANNOT WAIT FOR THE JINTS EAGLES GAME NEXT WEEK!

RETARDO MANNING FTW!

For the first time in my life my two favorite players are qbs

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sorry about that the infamous gateway timeout

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
whoa whoa…I admit he has played like crap over the past three games no doubt…but he also looked great pulling victory out of the jaws of defeat…I dont care who he was playing against, lest we forget that he pulled off an excellent win against the browns a team that beat the pats.

it was one guy who compared him to brady…no one else and it is ridiculous, but im not giving up on him, he is a good young QB and will be an all pro caliber qb for the next decade In my humble opinion.

Its not fair to compare sanchez to one of the best qbs ever.

Also Brady had some struggles (not too many) in his first couple of years, bledsoe not brady won the afc championship game as he got hurt…now I know Brady was the mvp of that superbowl, but he threw for 150 or so yards certainly not spetacular.

His second year in the league…brady threw a shit ton of intercepttions (14) and the pats didnt make the playoffs…again were you guys ready to throw in the towel…probably not.

Again Brady is already an immortal QB…all Im saying is Sanchez is young and to say sanchez hasnt shown that he has the potential to be an excellent qb in a year and 3/4 ’ is stupid.

Also Rex Ryan is no Bill Bellichek, another added benefit Brady had…just like Sanchez Ryans only been a head coach for a couple of years!

Your still my boy Mark!

lol

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face it Sanchez sucks, my boy Bradford from OU, now that a young QB who’s going to many Pro Bowls

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I also disagree that he has a weak arm. I don’t see that at all. If anythin thats one of his strong suits. [/quote]

Sorry fellas, but you’re both wrong. See, one MUST have access to coaching tape to make accurate judgments since TV coverage is woefully limited and insufficient for you, me or anyone.

Not like any of us has the time/inclination to do all that, so its just easier to just dig up coaching tape analysis from guys like Greg Cosell. And here’s a sample of what they say:

JETS OFFENSE V. PATRIOTS DEFENSE

  • Sanchez missed an opportunity to throw to Cotchery down the seam versus Butler on the first series; Protection was excellent, It was “man free”, Cotchery had a step - It’s a confident type of throw but you have to pull the trigger
  • Sanchez was not comfortable right from the start, He was not getting a clear picture of the defense
  • Sanchez looked at times as if he was pushing the ball, not fluidly releasing it; His arm strength issues showed up in this game, The ball did not come out with much juice
  • Spikes red zone interception was a poorly designed play, The Jets clearly anticipated that the run action would eat up Spikes and he would not be factor in the throw - Spikes was not in Sanchez vision and was not part of Sanchez reading equation
  • McCourty interception was not a bad decision by Sanchez, Edwards was one-on-one with McCourty and had a step but Sanchez underthrew the ball - It would have required a very good throw, but the ball died in the air
  • Sanchez was overmatched in this game, both mentally and physically

JETS OFFENSE V. BENGALS DEFENSE

  • Sanchez big time throw to Edwards 15 yds on deep comeback from far hash, Great anticipation and accuracy to compensate for his lack of arm strength
  • Very next play after Edwards completion Sanchez did not pull the trigger on a designed big play, He had Holmes wide open on the deep cross off play action but he obviously didn’t get a clear picture and checked it down for an incompletion
  • Sanchez better at moving out of the pocket than moving comfortably within the pocket; Must improve his pocket mobility, Missed some opportunities
  • Overall Sanchez a poor game in terms of seeing things and reading things, He took a step back after a very good game against the Texans the week before
  • When you watch every snap of Sanchez and every snap of Bradford the distinction between the two is clear: Bradford is a better QB, More poised and composed in the pocket, Better pocket command, More consistently accurate

JETS OFFENSE V. PACKERS DEFENSE

  • Sanchez an early-in-the-down QB, A plant-and-throw passer - He’s not a progression reader at this point
  • Sanchez a between-the-numbers passer, Throws dig routes well
  • First play of the Jets second possession of the 3rd quarter was a dig-and-go to Edwards, Edwards beat Woodson but FB Richardson did not execute his block on Zombo and Sanchez did not have a clean pocket - A big play opportunity missed due to a pass protection breakdown
  • Sanchez still not a comfortable QB when he can’t deliver the ball on time
  • Sanchez issues with ball location, Even some of his completions were not accurate throws
  • Woodson interception similar to one of Sanchez interceptions versus the Broncos, A pre-determined throw without validating the coverage on his drop
  • Sanchez issues with ball location, Even some of his completions were not accurate throws

JETS OFFENSE V. BRONCOS DEFENSE

  • Hunter interception came out of 6 DL front, Sanchez movement in response to inside pressure from DT Williams versus C Mangold; Sanchez loses clarity when he moves
  • Sanchez a little frenetic and rushed in the pocket when he can’t plant and throw on time; When the design of the play works and the primary receiver is open, Sanchez is very efficient
  • Sanchez predominantly a one read QB at this point
  • Sanchez reverted to his tendency to play fast, especially in response to blitz
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hahha, my fish beat the Jets and we arent that good this year with inconsistancies in the QB position and a horrible deal for brandon marshall.

Mark sanchez is decent, by no means great, not even top 10 this year. For whoever compared him to tom Brady your are right, they are similar in the fact they are both little whiney bitches! I hope brady gets aids and dies.

On another note, thank god brett Favre ended his start streak maybe he will consider a real retirement this time around. sure hes broke records but i could think of 5 qbs that wouldve beat his record had they played for 5 more seasons as well.

Who ever said brees and rodgers are the best qb’s in the nfc, your the most sane person ive seen post here yet, you forgot Matt Ryan and what hes done in ATL in the short career he has had. you also forgot Vick who, morality aside, is probably the most exciting and athletic QB in NFL history, note i didnt say the best, i said athletic and and exciting, he is definately a winner.

Some more Brady Bashing… He is a cry baby biotch, sure a lot of people would cry after nearly going perfect and loosing the super bowl, but he had several rings, shouldnt be a big deal. so many QB’s throughout history didnt even get more than one ring if even that, yet they didnt cry like little girls… Also, Throughout the last decade you could have put a dozen other guys in the pats lineup and they would have done as good if not better than Brady has, so saying he is “great” “legendary” is just plain idiotic. hes average, good at best. For the many of you having a shit fit reading this, remember Matt Cassel? what did he average while brady was out?? like 250 yds and a rating of 90 from basically nowhere? and u guys think if brees or manning or someone with talent was in new england for the same time they wouldnt have had as many if not more super bowls and yds, tds, etc…

let the rearing begin… NOW

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Brady bashing, ha ha, 3 rings, Giselle,
Peyton has had better talent for a decade and won 1 f’n Super Bowl, 1
Tom won 3, went 18-1 and in the one loss, scored what should have been the winning drive.
Look at what Tom is doing THIS YEAR, with THOSE wrs.

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top 3 qbs so far this year
1)peyton
2)rivers
3)brees

those wrs??? you mean three receivers averaging 40+ yds/gm not to mention their running game as well as having some of the best blocking, special teams, and a consistant defense??? give me a break brady has the most cake job in the nfl, u seriously think no one else could do better?

you forget bledsoe was getting them to super bowls while brady was a back up in michigan, they have a good system and franchise, nothing at all to do with brady, if it were possible to prove i would bet the wealth of the world against brady, had he got drafter by tampa or detroit or seattle hed be in the CFL long ago

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oh and btw peyton is #1 with half his team on IR, jacob tamme, yeah hes a hall of fame type player isnt he???

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[quote]evilachilles9 wrote:
top 3 qbs so far this year
1)peyton
2)rivers
3)brees
those wrs??? you mean three receivers averaging 40+ yds/gm not to mention their running game as well as having some of the best blocking, special teams, and a consistant defense??? give me a break brady has the most cake job in the nfl, u seriously think no one else could do better? you forget bledsoe was getting them to super bowls while brady was a back up in michigan, they have a good system and franchise, nothing at all to do with brady, if it were possible to prove i would bet the wealth of the world against brady, had he got drafter by tampa or detroit or seattle hed be in the CFL long ago
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your hilarious, you got twitter right, give that list to the NFL.com writers, espn writers, whomever, they will laugh that you don’t have MVP favorite Brady there.
You hate him so you can’t acknowledge how good he is.
good system? every great QB has a “great system” duh
i’m done with you, why argue you hate Brady you say he’s not in the top 3 Qbs
yet he leads the MVP race and is qbing the best team in football
who by the fucking way, avg age of the Defense is 25.5
so the world knows Brady is very important