But, but, the Israelis may have committed a massacre in 1948.
Wild claim you’ve made there. No… It’s the politicians and tyrannical leaders of Hamas that I’m making out to be hate filled, corrupt savages.
I am saying Gazan society was and is deeply problematic. Hamas explicitly references genocide in it’s charter. I sympathise with Gazans who are stuck in between a rock and a hard place
But I also ask myself… who voted in Hamas? According to surveys much of the west bank and Gaza STILL supports Hamas.
At this point I think there needs to be western interference coupled with deradicalisation programs akin to what was put in place post WWII for imperial Japan and Nazi Germany. In theory this could include a more moderate, Western governance of Israel.
FORCE a two state solution and make sure anyone who steps out of line with attacks on civilians (which has been like 100:1 ratio for decades but I digress) is punished harshly.
I haven’t said anything that should invoke hate. I have provided valid sources, I have put up graphic videos including a video of a gazan citizen beheading an Israeli citizen with a shovel while shouting “alluah Akubhar”
I will continue to post videos and photos provided I don’t get banned. Next up will be videos of innocent Gazan civilians parading around near dead and/or dead corpses of Israeli civilians that have been abducted and taken into Gaza on Oct 7… in one video you can see a soldier/civilian has had his leg cut off yet civilians poke at the stump and laugh
I’m not dehumanising anyone… but you are mistaken if you think the civilian population of Gaza have western mindsets when it comes to how they view life, death and violence.
How one can’t see the difference between retaliation to violence and rocket fire and indiscriminately killing civilians is beyond me
As to the photo/video of the woman being hauled into a truck… she is bleeding from her crotch/rectum profusely. Yet despite survivor testimonies and some footage that has since been taken down alongside that infamous photo circulating of the woman bleeding from between her legs… some go through mental gymnastics to justify “there has been no rapes”.
You say you don’t choose to hate me, yet your response comes across as eerie and oddly threatening. I don’t hate you… However you are correct. From life experience i’ve come to learn it is impossible to retain friendships between two people who have radically opposing world views.
I am a centrist. I tend to write off those who defend radicalism and/or are radicals themselves regardless of where that radicalism falls on the political compass. So no… we wouldn’t be friends. But why you’d bring that up in the first place puzzles me.
Letting in refugees actually led to the destabilisation of Lebanon and the creation of Hezbollah (ANOTHER terrorist organisation) in this case…
Fair enough.
And I tend to agree. I never thought its origin had any ill intentioned meaning. Any degrading connotation seems odd, unless it was to group all Jews with the rest of the Semites, as an insult. But that is very doubtful considering their exposure to those other than Germans and other Japhethities.
…Or might they have been trying to segregate themselves from all non-Japhethites? Hummm…
Throwing loaded accusations like that at me… we have reached an impasse.
I do NOT wish for genocide. Though the side you support explicitly references genocide in it’s charter
Hamas’s Genocidal Intentions Were Never a Secret - The Atlantic
And no… this isn’t “jewish media”.
If you look at timesofisrael through fact check you’ll note they’re centrist, and deemed highly credible
Times of Israel - Bias and Credibility - Media Bias/Fact Check (mediabiasfactcheck.com)
Yet even with the videos I post… you resort to childish ad hominem attacks. You have given NOTHING in the way of evidence to refute my claims… you’ve done nothing to counter my points.
You’ve made claims about IDF conduct that have been disproven en masse.
I don’t believe you are a troll like @zecarlo states. I do think you are radicalised… and that’s not a loaded term. Your views fit you smack bang in the middle of alt left or alt right talking points when it comes to the israel-palestine conflict.
From looking at your profile all I see is criticism of Israel and jews. In your case, calling out “antisemitism” is legitimately valid… However many anti-semites won’t admit they’re anti-semites in this day and age. Rather they believe everyone else is delusional and can’t see the ‘reality omnipresent pertaining to the jewish question/problem’.
It’s ironic when someone with heinous delusions goes out and calls out others for promoting exactly what they themselves promote.
I will be muting your account. I’ve dealt with this kind of rhetoric before and my god does it get tiring. As if I think I’m a ‘victim’… This isn’t an issue that should be looked at through the lens of victimhood… though that’s how the lefties (far left) tend to look at it “Palestinians poor and brown, Israelis rich and white” when in actuality both are brown and over a third of Israelis live below the poverty line.
You want the war to stop… for Israel to give up on the hostages (or perhaps you believe no hostages were taken in the first place), for Hamas to regroup where it can repeatedly attack again and again… and Hamas actually has admitted it wishes to commit genocide.
Calling ME out as if I wish for the massacre of Palestinians is so unbelievably amusing…
I wonder what your views on the western world as a whole are. Israel isn’t really any different from most western, capitalistic democracies. Western countries have become far too tolerant in letting people in who hate the west, but that’s a topic for a different thread.
The US dropped two atomic bombs on Japanese cities, i.e., civilians. They weren’t collateral damage but deliberately targeted. We are in no position to take a position of moral superiority over Israel in how it wages war. We also take in “asylum” seekers who enter illegally, put them in hotels, give them medical care as well as cash whereas we turned away the ship carrying Jews from Nazi Germany, the St. Louis, and they ended up back in Europe, where a large number ended up dead at the hands of the Nazis.
This is the thing that mystifies me about the anti-Israel crowd. Even if Israel is just indiscriminately invading Gaza in order to destroy Hamas, they have a clear casus belli against Hamas to do that. Nobody else is being held to a standard of no collateral damage. Is only the west required to minimize civilian casualties?
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Only Israel.
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I am sure American citizens were kept up to date with the facts on all 2 channels. There are books, articles, interviews, etc. of people involved that regretted the decision. You act as if the public voted on it.
How did Americans feel about Vietnam or all the conflicts in the Middle East once factual statistics, reports and videos came out? What about the whistle blower reports of Obama drone strikes?
Then do not try and take a moral high ground. Israel should just come out and say what their real goal is. Don’t hide behind claims of “accidents” or “bad intel” or keep going on about “precision attacks”.
Stop with they killed 40 children, or they use human shields, when Israel has killed 15,000 children. They do not care. Both are evil.
I mean really, aid is being stopped because Hamas is stealing the food? One video of a truck being taken is enough to stop the delivering of thousands of tons of aid?
Why? Fear of workers being killed?
Israel has killed over 200 aid workers in there “precision attacks”. Just say you want to starve the people.
This figure is from the gazan ministry of health, a branch of hamas
The true civillian death toll will never be known… but the way so many are running with Hamas’s reports concerns me
Hamas can’t even report on where 130 hostages are or whether they are dead or alive yet somehow they are able to tally up every single child that dies in a warzone that has largely been reduced to rubble
The IDF left 1 call and 1 voice message for every gazan civillian AND dropped panphlets from the sky days in advance advising when and where they were going to attack.
That video of Hamas stealing aid from a food truck… do you really think it’s only one video? You can find dozens of videos of this… and on larger scales i.e taking control of far more aid trucks
There are videos of civillians rioting against Hamas due to the humanitarian crisis unfolding
Yahya Sinwar publically executed the leader of a local jihadist organisation for “collaberating with Israel” to get more aid in for Gazans.
I don’t doubt Israel has killed some aid workers… but last time the media excoriated Israel for “crimes against humanity” when the IDF purportedly opened fire on citizens trying to collect food from trucks… those reports turned into “palestinian/Hamas gunmen opened fire on civillians and blamed the IDF”.
Hamas ministry of health doesn’t differentiate between men, women, children and combatants either.
You should probably stop. The American public voted for those who made the decision. The Israeli public voted for their leaders who make decisions on their behalf. Oh, and Palestinian Arabs voted for Hamas. Why do you give America and Gaza a pass you don’t give Israel?
How did they feel about Iraq and Afghanistan? We were there for years. Or Gitmo? Or Panama? Or Libya? Or Granada? Most probably couldn’t recall the last three.
And going by polls would still vote Hamas in today.
Even if a sizable minority didn’t back hamas… they’d be too scared to vote them out
When Hamas was voted in they brutally executed all opposition
Hamas killed them. And they don’t care.
They should have been helping those in need in their own countries. It says something when it’s Westerners acting as aid workers while their fellow Arabs do nothing.
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I wouldn’t be suprised if Israel has dropped some unguided bombs. War is expensive, and at the start of the war civillians were ordered to evacuate massive portions of the gaza strip.
Do I think evert strike was precision guided after evacuation orders were given? Highly unlikely
To my knowledge virtually no country at war at any point in history ONLY used precision guided strikes
The pressure on Israels PM is to bring the hostages home
They’ve tried brokering many deals with hamas… including the exchange of over 1000 Palestinian prisoners… some serving sentences for rape, murder, terrorism and conspiracy for a mere 40 hostages
Hamas declined
Last time there was a truce… Hamas broke the rules of the truce hours before it ended by launching rockets into Israel when Israel had it’s guard down.
Why won’t hamas give back any hostages no matter how good the deal is? Perhaps because they know the hostages are dead? Or because they’ve been pawned off or subject to such horrific abuse it’d make hamas look bad if the hostages were to be returned alive (but pregnant or missing a few limbs)
No, if I thought you had addressed the intentions of the originators of the word, I don’t see what I would have thought myself to be adding, and don’t think I would have tried adding anything - thank you for asking
When someone says “illogical”, a part of me takes it to mean that there are gaps that cannot be filled without defying logic. Something can appear illogical at first glance but then be shown to be very logical with more information, “properly” arranged. There could be more than one way of doing this which could be at odds with each other, so that’s why “properly” was in quotations.
In other words “illogical” means that if one were to take it as a puzzle, it would be outright impossible to solve.
Most of the time when people say illogical, I understand them to mean that they’ve not solved it, consider it impossible or not worth the effort. I put in real effort to avoid being judgemental, but honestly, it usually comes across to me as lazy
X didn’t Y, and if X did Y, then X wasn’t really X?
No, that can’t be right…
X didn’t Y, and if X did Y, then X must be X_b rather than X_a?
No, that can’t be right either…
At first glance it would appear illogical for the second statement to allow for contradicting the first, but I do believe there is a way of making sense of the whole thing so illogical would not typically be my choice word to describe this sort of thing. I’ve not understood what you intended to convey, and that’s OK, maybe I will eventually, or maybe I was never meant to.
Thank you for letting me know.
You probably already know this fun fact but there’s a mathematical operation that’s actually called convolution. Sometimes I wonder - if someone practices it “too much”, would they have become smarter, or just convoluted?
Logic and emotion are not opposites. A physical object has texture, color, shape, location - none of which are opposites. Emotion can be expressed or hidden, conscious or subconscious, but I believe logic cannot operate within a human mind without it.
I will try to quit bothering you inshaAllah and I don’t think it will take much effort. Peace.
In your case it would be boring.
It’s not a wild claim, it is extremely tame. For something to seem a way to me for a fleeting moment doesn’t mean that’s the way it actually is.
I agree with this
There is something about this that I find ironic however. if you read it enough times you might start to see it too - might not be worth it
Sounds good. What do you hope to accomplish by doing so?
I can, that’s not beyond me.
I can see that you likely mean “retaliation to violence” to be describing Israel, “rocket fire” to be describing Hamas and “indiscriminately killing civilians” to be describing Hamas. And I can see how that’s simple, crisp, clear, accurate.
I can also see how “retaliation to violence” can be describing Hamas, “rocket fire” to be describing Israel, and “indiscriminately killing civilians” to also be describing Israel. Simple, crisp, clear, accurate.
Seeing neither of those combinations is particularly hard for me. You might have an instinct/habit to say that “there’s no moral equivalence, etc.”, but
that’s just it. They are just images
I guess just a long way of saying that I’m pretty sure it’s not a real inability and it’s more of an unwillingness, unless it’s a special case where someone is uncapable of visualizing anything
No, what I had said was that I did choose to not hate - there’s a huge difference between those two statements.
I don’t believe life experience can teach something like that, that’s an inaccurate result, it stems from calibrating to zero and infinity. Although inaccurate, it could well be helpful and a step in the right direction - I imagine it was
If I want to understand a system or function then giving it infinity all of a sudden and then immediately taking it away and seeing the response was taught to me as the best starting point. That’s probably a large part as to why. My next guess would be something around the idea that I didn’t have enough friends growing up.