The Israel War Thread

[squating_bear]

@RT_Nomad

@squating_bear

I can’t comprehend what the difference would be

@squating_bear

A word of God would seem to be enough to imply confirmation

The problem with the Bible in mind is that there is only one whose title is the Word. The indefinite article “a” in the English language implies there are more than one. From a Biblical perspective that would be heresy.

Jesus is called the Word, because He spoke the creation into existence.

Well “a” would very strongly imply more than one in English, but I’m not sure how applicable that is here

I had earlier mentioned “the Messiah Jesus (as), son of Mary” and “the Messiah, the Deceiver”, those being Arabic phrases from Quran and Hadith which give cause for pause on that point. I consider Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic to have more in common with each other than they do with English

If there can be more than one “the”, it might make sense for their to be less than two “a”

The Bible and Quran contradict each other on the character of Jesus (as). I consider the Quran and Jesus (as) a part of the same thing (Divine Speech), without being a part of God. When people burn Qurans or flush them down the toilet, they are not doing so to God.

I also consider Jesus (as) and myself to be a part of the same thing. Most Muslims probably haven’t noticed it yet, but an evidence for that is in that hadith regarding “body of Christ”

Most Christians consider Jesus (as) and God “the father” as part of the same thing. The Quran calls that heresy.

With some hesitation, some resistance, some dislike, I can say that I need Jesus (as), he is a more central part of that “body” so to speak. I would not say that God Almighty is in need of Jesus (as), or that they are different parts of the same thing. In this way I may believe in Jesus (as) more than I believe in my own self, yet not in the same way most Christians do.

@RT_Nomad

@squating_bear

What do you consider to be the Lamb?

John 1:29, “The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” Need I say more?

Need was a strong word so I left it for a while, but I would like some more information around this if it isn’t a bother.

@RT_Nomad

@squating_bear

We don’t consider him to be God’s son

Then reading all the supporting passages, you are not assured everlasting life received via your belief that Jesus existed as anything other than the Son of God. BTW, Jesus is sufficient by Himself. No need for the approval of any man or any work.

One belief I have from the Bible is that those who believe in Jesus Christ during the Church age are the espoused bride of Christ. The bride does not get invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb. No bride needs to be invited to her own wedding. So, from how I read the Bible, you will need an invitation to enter the wedding supper of the Lamb.

Does this mean a sort of spiritual merging of the Church with Jesus (as) in the end times? It’s not literally eating Jesus (as)?

No disrespect intended

[castoli711]

More non-sense.

[castoli711]

@SkyzykS

Your entire narrative is bullshit, and if its acceptance proves anything,

My narrative goes against the accepted propaganda. And finally things are beginning to turn around from the pile of bullshit you believe in and peddle.

@SkyzykS

It completely ignores entire volumes of facts

Ahhh no…it starts before Oct 7th.

The world is starting to turn on the extreme Zionists of Israel. Even the jews of Israel.

[squating_bear]

@SkyzykS

@squating_bear

specifically because you appear to argue that Palestinian lives don’t matter.

What has changed in your life as a direct result of their attack on Israel and the retaliation that followed?

Like materialy, monetarily, spiritually, any measurable change to any intrinsic factor you choose.

So I didn’t get your point in asking, I would like to confirm - was your purpose to argue that Palestinian lives don’t matter, or shouldn’t matter, or something else?

[SkyzykS]

To you. How much does this actually mean To You.

Do you know any palestinians in gaza?

Are you inspired to join them, or the IDF, depending on where your allegiance lies?

Ive known a lot of people (could be a lower economic strata thing) that enlisted because of Saddam Hussain & again when 9/11 happened.

Has it disrupted anything in your life?
Has it changed your mind in any way?

The answer for me is “No. Not really”.

Or is this just an exercise in low investmen noise making?

[SkyzykS]

@castoli711

Ahhh no…it starts before Oct 7th.

Dude Ive been watching this shit play out since like 1979. And that was just when I became somewhat aware of the world. I know it goes back much further.

@castoli711

The world is starting to turn on the extreme Zionists of Israel. Even the jews of Israel.

As a former/fellow yinzer, I beseech you- Look up Robert Bowers and Richard Baumhammer.

You do not want to be on those fuckheads side of this shit. For real. This bullshit people keep spouting is straight out the 1990’s era white supremacy movement.

Its literally prison gang pamphlet type shit.

[punnyguy]

@castoli711

My narrative goes against the accepted propaganda.

Your “narrative” is word for word exactly what all those idiot demonstrators in the streets are spouting.

Don’t flatter yourself, you don’t have a narrative.

[SkyzykS]

Good point.

Its one thing to be a sad sack moron that comes up with this shit in order to weaponize stupidity.

Its a whole other level of low when your one of the assholes that adopts these stupid, ugly, malignant ideas as their own.

[punnyguy]

Dude is so clueless he left out the whole “proportionality” of response argument, which at first blush actually sounds good.

…until you realize that these terrorists did the absolute greatest amount of disgustingly inhuman destruction they could with what they had; if they had greater firepower/weapons, bet your life they would’ve wreaked “proportionally” greater destruction.

[SkyzykS]

Call me too American, but I don’t believe in proportionality.

I believe that once you start some shit, the gloves are off and the rules go out the window.

The palestinians of Gaza and Hamas should have just minded their own damn business.
Or started petitioning to create an international coalition to build themselves some power and desalination plants.

But nope. They chose rockets, mass murder, rape and hostage taking.

Not many people in history have worked so hard at being such immense assholes.

[Bauber]

@SkyzykS

I believe that once you start some shit, the gloves are off and the rules go out the window.

Agreed.

My response would have been much harsher and devastating.

[punnyguy]

@SkyzykS

I don’t believe in proportionality.

Angry me doesn’t either, but rational me sorta does.

@SkyzykS

I believe that once you start some shit, the gloves are off and the rules go out the window.

I would try to give the other party a mulligan, and hamas has been given many mulligans, due to realpolitik concerns I’m sure; but there’s a line that simply cannot be crossed -a line which Hamas just crossed and then obliterated.

[SkyzykS]

@Bauber

My response would have been much harsher and devastating.

I don’t know a whole lot about Israeli politics, but I’ve met a few Israeli and South African Jews, and I think they’ll solve it adequately.

In the mean time we’ll have to deal with these rainbow haired, overly emotional under educated nitwits here on our soil.

[cyclonengineer]

If only they put so much effort into solving problems here at home such as the fentanyl crisis or massive homeless population.

[SkyzykS]

There doesn’t seem to be much political will to do so at this point.

Beyond the scope of political will, it becomes about choices.

I chose to recover. Others chose to die. Not much to legislate in that regard.

[squating_bear]

@SkyzykS

To you. How much does this actually mean To You.

About a thousand

@SkyzykS

Do you know any palestinians in gaza?

No. I know people that have lost family in Gaza recently.

@SkyzykS

Are you inspired to join them, or the IDF, depending on where your allegiance lies?

No

@SkyzykS

Has it disrupted anything in your life?

Yes

@SkyzykS

Has it changed your mind in any way?

Yes

@SkyzykS

Or is this just an exercise in low investmen noise making?

Not on my part

[SkyzykS]

@squating_bear

Not on my part

Good. I’d rather see people of reason and conviction than this crop of Castolis who arrive at what ever current trash that is floating around just because they’re “anti-mainstream”.

[idaho]

@SkyzykS ,

Thought you would like to read this:

Wokeism Unmasked: The Battle for American Campus Ideology

[RT_Nomad]

@squating_bear

If there can be more than one “the”, it might make sense for their to be less than two “a”

Speaking of the Bible, this is nonsense. It totally looses the distinction between the definite article (the) and the indefinite article (a or an). Be you examples Arabic phrases, or not, when translating to English is is nothing more than confusion. Maybe there just doesn’t exist a simple translation into English. No language has the right to change the English meaning to make a point.

This logic you are suggesting reminds me of you saying you like to be intentionally vague, or something like that. Being intentionally vague is the bed partner of guile. I find it an offensive discussion tactic that is impossible in dialog.

[castoli711]

I like the gang of people who follow the business-like mainstream who traffic in daily propaganda then really believe it’s true. Now go and get your cup of Morning Joe.