Well, again: has this steroid user trained successful athletes? If so: he knows what to do. If not: low tier. He knows how to get ONE person strong. His advice is at least worth considering, but the grain of salt it’s taken with is how it measures up against others who have coached MORE than one person.
I haven’t found the advice of steroid users to be in conflict to what I’ve personally experienced as far as growth goes.
I have seen a video of Charles where he is somewhere around 55 years old and he did a DL of 10x200kg which is about 440lbs.
This is not at all small for his age and personal weight.
I can see from your picture that steroids made you huge. Am I as big as you? No!! Question answered.
You should check out his transformation before making comments.
Thank you! I just don’t see this crazy disconnect.
Thanks everyone but I think I am done here, never wanted to be in the ‘Fun Bunch’ at high school and definitely don’t want to be in the ‘Fun Bunch’ here. Its a waste of my time. Good luck to all you of you.
How is it a disconnect? Steroid users will often recommend way more volume than a natural can recover from. They don’t need to worry about the effects of cortisol as much. They’ll also get much more out of things like high rep sets.
Part of the reason a ton of gym goers make little progress is because they are listening to fake natty social media stars simply because of their bodies, despite no coaching history. A natural with just one body of evidence “one - themselves” thats been in the trenches will have way more words of value to another natural than a steroid user with the same one body of evidence with extremely skewed opinions gained through drug enchancement.
I can see from clicking on his summary that Steroid information is what he reads.
I find recovery ability is a trainable concept in and of itself.
I employ a bonkers degree of training volume. I recover from it just fine. I imagine there are people ON steroids that could not recover from my workload.
“A fool and his money” and some such. I imagine the bigger issue here is people confusing entertainment for education.
I just simply don’t agree. The low-volume vs. high-volume trend ebbs and flows, for natural lifters and enhanced. I am a huge fan of at least one of the coaches that is a pretty big proponent of the “cortisol and MPS” line of thought, but I think it’s become a boogeyman that lets us tell ourselves “eh, I’ve worked hard enough.”
Even if we stay steroid users are thriving on more volume than a natural, so what? Just drop a set from each lift and you’re golden; that didn’t make the overall advice irrelevant.
I think the reason folks don’t make any process is because they’re on social media in the first place, instead of just lifting. Our expectations as a society have changed, too. I have no idea how I’d even evaluate if a program gave me noticeable hypertrophy gains… it’s simply too short a span. I can only look backwards and realize I’m freaking gorgeous, so something worked - it’s as likely to be the YouTube steroid workouts I copied as it is the push-ups I did in a hotel room, you know?
Now, where I do think a lot of screw up is not taking our lifestyle into account. Maybe the pro bodybuilder can do a lot more than me because every aspect of his life is geared (pun absolutely intended) toward gym productivity; this also happens to correlate with the same population that is prioritizing this enough that they’re on steroids.
What I can’t do, to be fair, is the “I know tons of steroid users and natty lifters and blah, blah…” because I seriously don’t know (care) what anyone is doing. I do know I came up copying all the routines out of muscle magazines while playing sports and got as big as I was going to get anyway. It’s probably fair to make the argument that maybe I would have gotten there a little faster if I’d done it “right,” we’ll never know, but all roads lead to Rome anyway. Moral of that extraordinarily old man story: the steroid users’ training still hit my mark.
Enhanced, coached by someone who is enhanced.
The first change he made to my programming was to cut most of it out.
Volume isn’t the primary driver of growth, mechanical tension is. This happens in those last 5 reps to failure.
Basically take all your working sets to failure.
More volume isn’t better it’s simply more and more wasted effort.
Thank you. Those are the kindest words I’ll hear all day. Where do I send the Xmas card.
Exactly. If anything it is the naturals who tend to do more volume because “they need to hit muscles multiple times a week because of MPS”
It is the natural community and companies like RPstrength, 3dmj, Brad shoenfeld and the like (that includes coaches on this site, CT) that started that BS.
I’m on my phone right now so can’t give you guys the well formatted thorough replies your posts deserve (maybe i’ll revisit tomorrow).
All i’ll say is i’m not talking about the coaches with a larger body of work, or the ones that spent a long time as a natural before going enchanced. I’m talking about the people who hopped on early, got away with a million programming, lifestyle, training and nutrition mistakes that would kill a naturals progress and then try and tell them what they are doing wrong when they’ve never had to really struggle or learn anything. I’m not saying that an enhanced lifter that has never coached anyone can’t also educate themselves. I’m saying that more things will stick for them.
That person sounds genetically blessed rather than simply experiencing the benefits of steroids. Which is definitely something to factor in as well.
Genetically blessed is a far superior aspect of success than steroids. Not even close.
Sure the uneducated genetically blessed just cannot figure out why the client with poor genetics is responding so poorly.
This is also news to me!
I really just figured everyone kinda gravitated toward what they like and there isn’t a magical difference between 10 sets and 20.
Like @T3hPwnisher and @RT_Nomad said: it really doesn’t matter how many routes I run, I’ll never be Gronk - dude was just born better.
I am Sorry, I just cant do it…I so want to bite my tongue here. But its just in my DNA.
But here it goes…first off you are welcome “small balls”. Secondly, its Christmas, not X-mas and please use your moms address to send my card.
So please try to explain this to me, you were enhanced by eating Twinkies before or you had no discipline to control your eating, got super fat then decided to be ‘healthy’ by losing weight by taking steroids, hmmm? Then you post ‘your so called’ accomplishments on this forum to stroke your ego? WOW!!! And finally I could care less about what you think of me and what I have done or haven’t done. That has no relevance, and I don’t need your respect.
And sorry Forum I had to say it…
Based on my 20 years of training and experience with both many natural athletes and many enhanced athletes, I can think of very, very few individuals who fit this description.
As others have stated, genetic predisposition matters a lot more when we’re talking about making a ton of mistakes and still seeing great results.
No.
No. Wrong again.
Just so you know steroids don’t make you lose weight.
That would be counterproductive. There are men here who weigh fifty pounds less hitting the same lifts.
are you confused? are you mistaking me for demonthrall? the person who used the word respect in reference to you, in a post in this thread. do you have trouble comprehending what you read?
promise this time?