Yeah, they’re just tracking food intakes. No intervention.
Yes, mostly plants. The way people have always eaten. Mostly plants, some animal products. You made it seem like our ancestors were surviving on primarily animal foods. If you haven’t gone hunting before you should try. It’s hard. And that’s with a gun. Now try to kill enough animals to feed your whole tribe. Every day. Good luck. And also, there’s no refrigerators. So, that meat’s not going to last long.
You can get intervention analysis out of the nurse’s data. I would probably try to go find the exact study, but you haven’t yet posted one. And the burden is yours.
No. At the minimum most humans in history had heavily restricted plant intake for at least portions of every year.
They, for the most part, did.
This is entirely tangential, but there would be many forms of preserving and people who were good at it because they literally hunted for a living. There were a number of peoples that even lived that way until very recently.
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How are you going to get the word out to our world’s dietitians, nutritionists, and doctors? The people measuring health outcomes on a daily basis. What about people in the blue zones who don’t eat an animal based diet. They need to know their diet is unhealthy!
I see we’ve shut down, failed to answer the points, and resorted to appeals to authority and strawman. You didn’t answer my points. You didn’t provide evidence. I never recommended a meat based diet.
I can even argue with you about your blue zone point. I’ve read all the blue zone books. Many do and have eaten plenty of meat and animal fat (or beer, or cake even). The common thread in blue zones is activity and community, not diet to begin with. Even though that’s beside the point.
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The soy industry has gotten to him… He’s a lost cause.
You can’t turn a non-interventional study into one by analyzing the data differently.
There isn’t much out there for interventional nutrition studies relating to intakes of specific foods. But there is an endless amount of research associating unprocessed plant food intakes with lower disease risk and higher protein intake with increased disease risk. And it’s not a recommendation to eat carbs that is killing us. Italians get an average of 46% of their calories from carbohydrates.
Thanks @anon50325502. Here’s a quote from the article. @DoubleDuce are you going to argue with CT on this too?
“While I believe that cutting out all meat products is a mistake, eating more plants is certainly a good idea.”
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I’m always suprised how realitvely buff some vegans are. Hypertrophy does not seem to be the major problem. The problem seems to be strength and regeneration.
But apart from all this muscle junk, what I’m really concerned about is plain old health. We know that the body functions more on some sort of tight budget than on calories/nutrients in & out.
Since we abandoned saturated fat all sorts of diseases skyrocketed.
Vegans are quick to point out how we can produce cholesterol and don’t necessarily need it in food. But that’s item one from a long, ancient scroll that looks like a prop from ‘the Dark Crystal’. There’s no point arguing that list. Except that many do and try to paint us as some sort of fruit-munching monkeys.
It’s like buff leg guy said. You got to have your ducks in a row as a vegan. But how come so many pro-vegans on YT look absolutely emaciated? My point is that it’s probably for the best they do only some yoga and don’t push the weights.
Can you imagine their undead frame redirecting resources to building a nice upper chest? Their deprived brains, already mumbling incoherently, learning to coordinate a split jerk and divert amino acids that barely keep the insanity at bay to a pair of exhausted quads?
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Not sure what you mean. Strength seems to go up if someone eats, trains, and recovers.
I believe you that you’re concerned about health. I think that’s important too. But I’m not sure what you mean here either with the phrase “tight budget.”
I think most folks recognize that humans are omnivorous. The thing is, pointing at people on YouTube who aren’t healthy isn’t a good way to tell whether a diet is good or bad. That’s just kind of a silly thing to say.
We seem to have very different worldviews and methods of determining what we believe. It’s probably not a good use of our time to quibble about something neither of us will change our minds about
More appeals to authority huh?
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You can get individual lifestyle changes and their effects on health out of the data. While not technically an intervention, it is beyond epidemiology. You can see lifestyle interventions and their long term health effects at an individual level.
And people who start eating more whole plant foods generally do what? Eat less processed junk. You know anyone that eats a big salad and a large order of fries at lunch?
and Inuit ate little to no plant matter and had less chronic disease that the Italians. If we’re going with anecdote.
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Can you just clarify your stance for a minute? What would you tell someone to eat to be as healthy as possible? What should their macro breakdown be? Vegetables or no vegetables? What types of fats?
By volume or calorie?
On side notes, I don’t think it’s harder to keep meat than plants especially in the winter in colder latitudes. You have to either get all the water out or freeze it in either case. And you wouldn’t probably have to kill an animal every week. You also get rendered tallow. A pig has several hundred thousand calories on it it you get everything out of it.
Mostly it would be to find what works. Maintaining a healthy weight is paramount. For getting to a healthy weight compliance is more important than macro breakdown. Carnivore is healthier than a vegan for a weight loss diet if you are obese and you will stick to carnivore but don’t lose weight when trying to be vegan. This is also true in reverse. The key is not forcing a diet that makes someone miserable to get the last 5% of health benefits when they can get 95% for half the effort doing something else.
If they are looking for strength/performance/work capacity/endurance then macro breakdown would start to matter more. In which case even grains (that you don’t have issues with) can be beneficial. I for one add in rice when I want to gain weight. Though personally, my baseline is very low carb whole(ish) animal based. I look and feel great that way, but I will admit it’s tough to gain size, and my high end work capacity suffers.
If I had to give an overall idea of the best diet (which I’m obviously loath to do) it’s probably hunter/gather like. Lots of whole animal wild game and fish, some wild greens and roots, occasional wild fruit with some occasional fasting. (and also sun, activity, and a close nit community with low chronic stress but minus the starvation and getting eaten by a bear).
Both. Even using fatty cuts of meat you can get plenty of protein in and have 50% of your daily calories remaining.
Dr Paul Saladino
Definitely.
Why very low carb?
I looked at this ig quickly and not sure if I can trust this guy. He says Kyrie Irving is a diva because his diet is plant based. And also he has salad in his name.