The Flame-Free Confession Thread

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[quote]rds63799 wrote:
nice thread idea! I’ve got a few.

-you lose SO LITTLE muscle when you cut, it’s really not worth worrying about. People who think they are losing muscle are really just fat as hell and far less muscular than they think they are.

-the whole peri-workout nutrition thing is a scam to get you to buy protein powder. For your pre-workout meal eat meat and veg, post workout - meat and veg. Nature sussed out how to build muscle long before casein hydrolysate ever came on the scene.

-anyone can get 6 pack lean without cardio (or at least very minimal cardio) provided they eat like they’re supposed to

-DOMS is an indicator of a good workout

-people way overeat protein. There’s no benefit to going over 1g of protein per lb of your bodyweight except if you are doing a PSMF. Guys eating more than that are just converting it to glucose so they might as well just decrease protein and eat more carbs/fat

-I would rather be a shredded 190 than a soft 220

-front squats are superior to back squats in every way

-nobody needs more than 150g of carbs a day (except a once weekly refeed)

-deadlifts are massively overrated for upper back development

there’s probably more but that’s all I can think of just now[/quote]

RDS-not flaming at all, just interested in hearing your thoughts a little more on this…I really like what you’re doing in Stinger’s thread and you seem to know your stuff, so I’d like to hear more from you. You clearly fall into the camp that believes in lean gains, not “bulking.” But don’t you believe that you still must be in a small caloric surplus to gain weight in the form of lean muscle?

If so, how do you go about attaining a surplus with no more than 150 carbs, and not more than a gram of protein per pound of bodyweight? Are you a proponent of a relatively high fat diet? Thanks in advance!

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lift heavy and explosively on the major movements (bench, squat, deadlift, military, olympic lifts)

high reps for minor/assistance lifts (shrugs, curls, upper back stuff, pushdowns, pullups etc.)

stay active

if you want to gain weight, eat more. if you want to lose weight eat less

be consistent

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I love running and I regret letting myself stop running in the fear of losing muscle or strength.

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I do not enjoy weight training. I would much rather go for a run or play a sport. I lift weights to look good naked that is all.

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I don’t believe Mountaindog, or DC, or Smolov, or Big Beyond Belief, or any kind of training program is “hardcore.”

I don’t believe any lifter is hardcore for what they do in the gym, because it’s your choice, and you’re doing it for your own benefit.

The guy who gets his legs blown off overseas and finds a way to play competitive wheel chair basketball again at the elite level…that’s hardcore.

A woman who loses her husband in a car accident and raises two kids while working two different jobs…that’s hardcore.

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I don’t believe being on a cut is a valid excuse for losing strength.

I believe SS is one of the worst programs out there for rank beginners. It takes 3 highly technical lifts and has a newb do them 3 times a week. I have yet to meet the beginner who does not require a few weeks up to several months to achieve the mobility necessary to perform a proper squat, deadlift, and bench press.

I believe ALOT of people need to stop acting like there’s no difference between how a natties and geared lifters should eat/train.

I believe ALOT of people need to stop acting like being on gear makes ALL the difference in the world and automatically makes you a superhero and invalidates any of your input for natties. If this were true, well-known geared coaches would not have such successful coach-client relationships with so many natty competitors.

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Agree about not needing to eat immediately after workout. Also think protein shake an hour before makes nutrients available whilst afterwards you’re waiting on digestion anyway but even if you did neither it wouldn’t make a huge difference as long as you eat well consistently

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[quote]pwolves17 wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
nice thread idea! I’ve got a few.

-you lose SO LITTLE muscle when you cut, it’s really not worth worrying about. People who think they are losing muscle are really just fat as hell and far less muscular than they think they are.

-the whole peri-workout nutrition thing is a scam to get you to buy protein powder. For your pre-workout meal eat meat and veg, post workout - meat and veg. Nature sussed out how to build muscle long before casein hydrolysate ever came on the scene.

-anyone can get 6 pack lean without cardio (or at least very minimal cardio) provided they eat like they’re supposed to

-DOMS is an indicator of a good workout

-people way overeat protein. There’s no benefit to going over 1g of protein per lb of your bodyweight except if you are doing a PSMF. Guys eating more than that are just converting it to glucose so they might as well just decrease protein and eat more carbs/fat

-I would rather be a shredded 190 than a soft 220

-front squats are superior to back squats in every way

-nobody needs more than 150g of carbs a day (except a once weekly refeed)

-deadlifts are massively overrated for upper back development

there’s probably more but that’s all I can think of just now[/quote]

RDS-not flaming at all, just interested in hearing your thoughts a little more on this…I really like what you’re doing in Stinger’s thread and you seem to know your stuff, so I’d like to hear more from you. You clearly fall into the camp that believes in lean gains, not “bulking.” But don’t you believe that you still must be in a small caloric surplus to gain weight in the form of lean muscle?

If so, how do you go about attaining a surplus with no more than 150 carbs, and not more than a gram of protein per pound of bodyweight? Are you a proponent of a relatively high fat diet? Thanks in advance!
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Thanks for following that thread man, I’m having loads of fun doing it.

I just don’t think things like a caloric surplus are worth obsessing over. As long as you are hitting your protein targets, getting a good stodgy whack of carbohydrate at some point during the day (I prefer to have them later in the day) and eating BIG then you’ll grow.

I’ve never counted calories or anything and I don’t see the need. I DO think counting cals is necessary if you are new to this and not growing. In that situation then yeah spending a few days calculating what you’ve been eating just to give yourself an idea of how much more you need to eat is probably a good idea. Also, if you are stepping up on stage at some point you need to know your baseline which is fair enough, but I think that all recreational lifters need to do is eat clean and big. Eat healthy - look healthy, IMO.

I’m pretty sure I am gaining faster now on less calories than I’ve had in the past.

And you can bulk pretty easily low(ish) carb, I mean I can put away 1000 calories of nuts in about 5 minutes. You also need to deliberately eat the fattiest cuts of meat you can get.

As you can probably tell, I very much buy into the paleo nutrition fad (high fat, nothing refined) that’s so popular now, although I deviate slightly in that I don’t shy away from rice, potatoes etc.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
I once nailed a fat chick…

And really enjoyed it![/quote]
yeah, but was she a big fat blondie waitress ?

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[quote]socrplyr09 wrote:
lift heavy and explosively on the major movements (bench, squat, deadlift, military, olympic lifts)

high reps for minor/assistance lifts (shrugs, curls, upper back stuff, pushdowns, pullups etc.)

stay active

if you want to gain weight, eat more. if you want to lose weight eat less

be consistent [/quote]
You think these are “confessions people would flame you for”?

LOL

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[quote]jskrabac wrote:
I don’t believe Mountaindog, or DC, or Smolov, or Big Beyond Belief, or any kind of training program is “hardcore.”

I don’t believe any lifter is hardcore for what they do in the gym, because it’s your choice, and you’re doing it for your own benefit.

The guy who gets his legs blown off overseas and finds a way to play competitive wheel chair basketball again at the elite level…that’s hardcore.

A woman who loses her husband in a car accident and raises two kids while working two different jobs…that’s hardcore.
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Not flaming you, but this goes without saying, when we are talking about a hardcore program, its relatively speaking, not in the grand scheme of things. If I see someone doing GVT with some significant weight I would say its hardcore…but in terms of lifting…not life

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[quote]csulli wrote:
Oh man cool idea…

I strongly believe I could fight off a pack of African wild dogs.[/quote]
I strongly believe I’ll encounter Bigfoot and other cryptozoological and paranormal enigmas and anomalies.

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  • I rarely do direct bicep work and feel it is a waste of time for strength purposes
  • Unilateral training is not necessary
  • Smith Machine is useless
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[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]IFlashBack wrote:
Get strong in any rep range. 1,2,3,5,8,10,15,20,30,50… doesn’t matter. You’ll get bigger. [/quote]

YES!

I hate when people talk about how different rep ranges do different things. Pick a rep range, get stronger in it and grow.[/quote]
Ironically, getting stronger in one rep range would be best achieved by incorporating other rep ranges

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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:

[quote]strongmanvinny wrote:
I don’t mean to appear as cocky, but I’m totally game to fight a 350 lb black bear. I feel like if I yoke 700lbs, deadlift significantly over the bears bodyweight, and can practically press the bear over my head…then I should definitely be able to take it in a fight. [/quote]

This reminds me of one of the greatest threads in T-Nation history: 100 people vs a bear

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/music_movies_girls_life/one_hundred_people_versus_a_bear

Do not start reading if you are crunched for time… [/quote]
If they have no fear of death, then the people win (the survivors at least)

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People take a lot of things way too seriously on this site (and the internet in general)

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]strongmanvinny wrote:
I don’t mean to appear as cocky, but I’m totally game to fight a 350 lb black bear. I feel like if I yoke 700lbs, deadlift significantly over the bears bodyweight, and can practically press the bear over my head…then I should definitely be able to take it in a fight. [/quote]
Fuck yes vinny that’s what I like to hear. I’d bet on you in that fight. Fuckin fantastic.[/quote]
Vinny needs to respect the bear. It’s not 350lbs of dead weight lol.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
This game gets a lot harder once you pass your mid-40’s or so, and above 50 is really tough.[/quote]
Don’t think anyone would flame for that lol

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I believe that if you train for performance, physique will follow.

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