[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I was only half joking. Steroids are “just a tool” but that’s like saying a jack hammer and a chisel are both “just tools.” Results may vary with each tool depending on the person, but the jack hammer is a game changer.
There is a reason there is “body building” and “natural body building” … They are two different categories[/quote]
Then why I do I see the game changer make so mnay ppl not huge at all and I still question if they lift? For every person that has great results there are 3 that look like shit IMO [/quote]
Good point, and I will have to concede because honestly aside from seeing a few hyooge guys in the gym, I dont personally know anyone who uses (or if I do they havent told me), or maybe I do and they all just look like shit
My knowledge of actual, real world drug use is almost exactly zero.[/quote]
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
I don’t understand why IIFYM is suddenly such a big thing. Maybe I’m missing some key concept that makes it different, but I don’t understand why people act like its something new or special.
I remember reading articles on here in like, 2006-2007, about how to set up some diet or another: 12x BW for calories. 1x BW carbs, or 40% cals from protein…I would figure out my numbers and then log my food on fitday. I would mostly eat healthy (“clean”) but if I wanted some cookies, I’d make them work…WTF has everyone else been doing if its somehow different from that? [/quote]
eating clean!!!
srs
but not. kind of.
I had 2 pork chops, some baked beans, mashed potatoes, and I’m going to have some Trader Joes greek froyo for dinner. To the eat clean crew, this would probably be a horrible dinner. But, looking at fitday, its 180g carbs, 90g protein, and 30g fat. A lot of carbs, yes, but its post workout. And half of my carbs come post workout. So it fits.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I was only half joking. Steroids are “just a tool” but that’s like saying a jack hammer and a chisel are both “just tools.” Results may vary with each tool depending on the person, but the jack hammer is a game changer.
There is a reason there is “body building” and “natural body building” … They are two different categories[/quote]
Then why I do I see the game changer make so mnay ppl not huge at all and I still question if they lift? For every person that has great results there are 3 that look like shit IMO [/quote]
Good point, and I will have to concede because honestly aside from seeing a few hyooge guys in the gym, I dont personally know anyone who uses (or if I do they havent told me), or maybe I do and they all just look like shit
My knowledge of actual, real world drug use is almost exactly zero.[/quote]
Mine too. I don’t know anyone who uses!..[/quote]
B didn’t you use an example,of someone using blowing up? Lol
But I imagine both of you and everyone else on here knows or sees plenty that are on…you just wouldn’t expect it as their results are very much below the OMG you blew up
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I was only half joking. Steroids are “just a tool” but that’s like saying a jack hammer and a chisel are both “just tools.” Results may vary with each tool depending on the person, but the jack hammer is a game changer.
There is a reason there is “body building” and “natural body building” … They are two different categories[/quote]
Then why I do I see the game changer make so mnay ppl not huge at all and I still question if they lift? For every person that has great results there are 3 that look like shit IMO [/quote]
Good point, and I will have to concede because honestly aside from seeing a few hyooge guys in the gym, I dont personally know anyone who uses (or if I do they havent told me), or maybe I do and they all just look like shit
My knowledge of actual, real world drug use is almost exactly zero.[/quote]
Mine too. I don’t know anyone who uses!..[/quote]
B didn’t you use an example,of someone using blowing up? Lol
But I imagine both of you and everyone else on here knows or sees plenty that are on…you just wouldn’t expect it as their results are very much below the OMG you blew up[/quote]
I was just being sarcastic haha. I know LOTS of guys and gals who use. And I would say maybe 5% of the guys “blew up”. The rest maybe gained some size, but look like shit and lose any strength they gained within 2 months of coming off.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I was only half joking. Steroids are “just a tool” but that’s like saying a jack hammer and a chisel are both “just tools.” Results may vary with each tool depending on the person, but the jack hammer is a game changer.
There is a reason there is “body building” and “natural body building” … They are two different categories[/quote]
Then why I do I see the game changer make so mnay ppl not huge at all and I still question if they lift? For every person that has great results there are 3 that look like shit IMO [/quote]
Good point, and I will have to concede because honestly aside from seeing a few hyooge guys in the gym, I dont personally know anyone who uses (or if I do they havent told me), or maybe I do and they all just look like shit
My knowledge of actual, real world drug use is almost exactly zero.[/quote]
Mine too. I don’t know anyone who uses!..[/quote]
B didn’t you use an example,of someone using blowing up? Lol
But I imagine both of you and everyone else on here knows or sees plenty that are on…you just wouldn’t expect it as their results are very much below the OMG you blew up[/quote]
I was just being sarcastic haha. I know LOTS of guys and gals who use. And I would say maybe 5% of the guys “blew up”. The rest maybe gained some size, but look like shit and lose any strength they gained within 2 months of coming off.[/quote]
Dammit I thought that I initially. I should never to against my gut decision
Do BB Hip Thrusts in the gym and wink at someone if they stare. That will solve all of your problems.
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I do these every week. Last time, a guy asked me what I was doing. I told him I was working on my night moves. Now he won’t leave me alone. Any suggestions on how to handle this in the future? Winking does not help. [/quote]
Tell him that in order to partake in said night moves, he needs to squat with 5 plates ass to grass, and that’s per side, not total plates. I imagine that will put a damper on his little inquiries.
And if he can do that, or pushes himself to be able to do that, he may very well become a man worthwhile to show those “night moves.”
By the way, the thought of this makes me sad… I miss home :(.
I would attribute the losing size/strength after coming off to not knowing dick about PCT and how to get the body’s natural T back after cycle. I say this on the assumption they aren’t already big, because from my understanding, once you reach a certain point, you need at least a TRT type deal to maintain what you gained on cycle- ie blasting and cruising. That people would even consider this possibility for anyone on this forum (save a couple) I can only /facepalm.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I would attribute the losing size/strength after coming off to not knowing dick about PCT and how to get the body’s natural T back after cycle. I say this on the assumption they aren’t already big, because from my understanding, once you reach a certain point, you need at least a TRT type deal to maintain what you gained on cycle- ie blasting and cruising. That people would even consider this possibility for anyone on this forum (save a couple) I can only /facepalm.
Ryan, we all know you juice. Orange juice.[/quote]
Ick I hate oranges also I dispize drinking calories. So much better to eat them…in the form of ice cream
I hate the fact that there is almost no proper locker-room banter here on TN. Not sure if is an American thing or the non-jock group of people TN mainly attracts. I noticed it’s very different on UK lifting forums.
Most posters on here apply a weird set of standards. Either people’s accomplishments/behaviors are blasted for minor faults or they are heaped with ridiculous praise. Level-headed judgement is a rarity.
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
I don’t understand why IIFYM is suddenly such a big thing. Maybe I’m missing some key concept that makes it different, but I don’t understand why people act like its something new or special.
I remember reading articles on here in like, 2006-2007, about how to set up some diet or another: 12x BW for calories. 1x BW carbs, or 40% cals from protein…I would figure out my numbers and then log my food on fitday. I would mostly eat healthy (“clean”) but if I wanted some cookies, I’d make them work…WTF has everyone else been doing if its somehow different from that? [/quote]
eating clean!!!
srs
but not. kind of.
I had 2 pork chops, some baked beans, mashed potatoes, and I’m going to have some Trader Joes greek froyo for dinner. To the eat clean crew, this would probably be a horrible dinner. But, looking at fitday, its 180g carbs, 90g protein, and 30g fat. A lot of carbs, yes, but its post workout. And half of my carbs come post workout. So it fits.
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Yes. Just eat clean…Seriously though, do people that “just eat clean” not track their cals? Or do they get some magical meal plan from a coach and not realize that the amount of tilapia and asparagus they get at every meal is (hopefully) based off of dietary needs? I just don’t really get it.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I would attribute the losing size/strength after coming off to not knowing dick about PCT and how to get the body’s natural T back after cycle. I say this on the assumption they aren’t already big, because from my understanding, once you reach a certain point, you need at least a TRT type deal to maintain what you gained on cycle- ie blasting and cruising. That people would even consider this possibility for anyone on this forum (save a couple) I can only /facepalm.
Ryan, we all know you juice. Orange juice.[/quote]
Ick I hate oranges also I dispize drinking calories. So much better to eat them…in the form of ice cream [/quote]
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I would attribute the losing size/strength after coming off to not knowing dick about PCT and how to get the body’s natural T back after cycle. I say this on the assumption they aren’t already big, because from my understanding, once you reach a certain point, you need at least a TRT type deal to maintain what you gained on cycle- ie blasting and cruising. That people would even consider this possibility for anyone on this forum (save a couple) I can only /facepalm.
Ryan, we all know you juice. Orange juice.[/quote]
Ick I hate oranges also I dispize drinking calories. So much better to eat them…in the form of ice cream [/quote]
What about milkshakes then?[/quote]
Ryan’s milkshake brings all the boys to the yard…especially when he is on the abductor machine…
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I would attribute the losing size/strength after coming off to not knowing dick about PCT and how to get the body’s natural T back after cycle. I say this on the assumption they aren’t already big, because from my understanding, once you reach a certain point, you need at least a TRT type deal to maintain what you gained on cycle- ie blasting and cruising. That people would even consider this possibility for anyone on this forum (save a couple) I can only /facepalm.
Ryan, we all know you juice. Orange juice.[/quote]
Ick I hate oranges also I dispize drinking calories. So much better to eat them…in the form of ice cream [/quote]
What about milkshakes then?[/quote]
Ryan’s milkshake brings all the boys to the yard…especially when he is on the abductor machine… [/quote]
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
I don’t understand why IIFYM is suddenly such a big thing. Maybe I’m missing some key concept that makes it different, but I don’t understand why people act like its something new or special.
I remember reading articles on here in like, 2006-2007, about how to set up some diet or another: 12x BW for calories. 1x BW carbs, or 40% cals from protein…I would figure out my numbers and then log my food on fitday. I would mostly eat healthy (“clean”) but if I wanted some cookies, I’d make them work…WTF has everyone else been doing if its somehow different from that? [/quote]
We’ve been eating just the cookies, and making everything fit our macros, which change on a daily basis retroactively depending on what kind of junk we ate that day.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I would attribute the losing size/strength after coming off to not knowing dick about PCT and how to get the body’s natural T back after cycle. I say this on the assumption they aren’t already big, because from my understanding, once you reach a certain point, you need at least a TRT type deal to maintain what you gained on cycle- ie blasting and cruising. That people would even consider this possibility for anyone on this forum (save a couple) I can only /facepalm.
Ryan, we all know you juice. Orange juice.[/quote]
Ick I hate oranges also I dispize drinking calories. So much better to eat them…in the form of ice cream [/quote]
What about milkshakes then?[/quote]
That is a problem. I will still prefer eating the ice cream but no way would I turn down a delicious milkshake. I had a PB cookie dough milkshake once it was quite the experience.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I would attribute the losing size/strength after coming off to not knowing dick about PCT and how to get the body’s natural T back after cycle. I say this on the assumption they aren’t already big, because from my understanding, once you reach a certain point, you need at least a TRT type deal to maintain what you gained on cycle- ie blasting and cruising. That people would even consider this possibility for anyone on this forum (save a couple) I can only /facepalm.
Ryan, we all know you juice. Orange juice.[/quote]
Ick I hate oranges also I dispize drinking calories. So much better to eat them…in the form of ice cream [/quote]
What about milkshakes then?[/quote]
Ryan’s milkshake brings all the boys to the yard…especially when he is on the abductor machine… [/quote]
Only trying to get your attention…and it’s working
also I dispize drinking calories. So much better to eat them…in the form of ice cream