[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
The harder and longer I trained, the better my genetics for muscle building got.
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This is a good direction. Let me expand on this. It’s the human body, I can’t believe I am having this debate with a fucking doctor, unless you are fucked up and your body has serious issues, if you train hard enough, for long enough, with steroids, you will get big enough that almost anyone you asked anywhere in the world would say you have big muscles[/quote]
Everyone doesn’t respond to steroids the same…so no, not everyone is going to get really big muscles from steroid use.
I have written this already. No one who can’t build 14" arms naturally is going to become an IFBB pro just because they took steroids. That is all about genetics. No one cares if you think I’m not big.[/quote]
ANYONE(male) with a least average genetics can build 14" naturally. If a man can’t build 14" arms naturally there is a medical reason why
ANYONE(male) with a least average genetics can build 14" naturally. [/quote]
Jesus.
Do you understand that there are a lot of people out there who are BELOW AVERAGE?
That is what genetics is all about…a giant Bell Curve where there are great genetics, bad genetics and everything in between.
No one is getting HUGE or let us say “specifically relatively lean with arms over 18” chest over 50" and legs over 28"" without good genetics for building muscle.
And for the “newbs” out there. That is what this is all about anyways…right?
Don’t listen to this bullshit. Don’t worry about genetics. You know who doesn’t give a shit about genetics? The weight doesn’t give a shit about genetics. Your muscles don’t give a shit about genetics. Even if you have poor genetics for muscle building, if you lift weights and increase the amount of weight lifted in those workouts, and are consistent in doing so. Feed your body right, over time you will get bigger, and stronger. It’s how the human body reacts to this shit. It’s fucking science. You will not step up and compete on the olympia stage even if you have the best genetics without taking steroids among other things. There is a max at how far your body will grow naturally, but you know what, Fuck it. Try to reach that max, if you do reach it you have every right to feel good about what you have accomplished.
[quote]mbdix wrote:
And for the “newbs” out there. That is what this is all about anyways…right?
Don’t listen to this bullshit. Don’t worry about genetics. You know who doesn’t give a shit about genetics? The weight doesn’t give a shit about genetics. Your muscles don’t give a shit about genetics. Even if you have poor genetics for muscle building, if you lift weights and increase the amount of weight lifted in those workouts, and are consistent in doing so. Feed your body right, over time you will get bigger, and stronger. It’s how the human body reacts to this shit. It’s fucking science. You will not step up and compete on the olympia stage even if you have the best genetics without taking steroids among other things. There is a max at how far your body will grow naturally, but you know what, Fuck it. Try to reach that max, if you do reach it you have every right to feel good about what you have accomplished.
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That is actually the mindset anyone should have if they plan on reaching their own potential or any far reaching goal.
However, the discussion wasn’t about trying hard to be the best you that you can be. It is about the simple truth that steroids are not what makes someone get really big alone. That genetic factor makes all of the difference in the world when it comes to what can be seen on an average person and someone above average.
[quote]mbdix wrote:
And for the “newbs” out there. That is what this is all about anyways…right?
Don’t listen to this bullshit. Don’t worry about genetics. You know who doesn’t give a shit about genetics? The weight doesn’t give a shit about genetics. Your muscles don’t give a shit about genetics. Even if you have poor genetics for muscle building, if you lift weights and increase the amount of weight lifted in those workouts, and are consistent in doing so. Feed your body right, over time you will get bigger, and stronger. It’s how the human body reacts to this shit. It’s fucking science. You will not step up and compete on the olympia stage even if you have the best genetics without taking steroids among other things. There is a max at how far your body will grow naturally, but you know what, Fuck it. Try to reach that max, if you do reach it you have every right to feel good about what you have accomplished.
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That is actually the mindset anyone should have if they plan on reaching their own potential or any far reaching goal.
However, the discussion wasn’t about trying hard to be the best you that you can be. It is about the simple truth that steroids are not what makes someone get really big alone. That genetic factor makes all of the difference in the world when it comes to what can be seen on an average person and someone above average.[/quote]
I won’t argue that just sticking a needle in your ass will get you swole. No matter what you do to get a big muscular body it takes work.
If a person has good, great genetics they will see better results from their workouts. Both, in the amount of muscle packed onto their frame and the appearance of that muscle gained. Symmetry, tie ins, shape etc etc.
But, even a person with below average, possibly poor muscle building genetics with a good steroid program designed for muscle gain with a good hypertrophy weight training program can build a very respectable amount of muscle over time. I’m sorry, I just want to be clear, you don’t agree with that?
One way a person could use genetics and try to determine that person’s genetic potential for muscle building is speed. The muscle fibers (typeII) responsible for speed are also commonly recognized as the type of muscle fibers best suitable for muscle gain. So you could look at a person that is naturally fast and summerize that they should be able to add muscle to their frame at an above average level. The reverse is also true. A slow sprinter, or a gifted long distance runner don’t have a lot of typeII muscle fibers present. They are more typeI muscle dominant. So you could safely assume that a naturally slow person would have a harder time (sub-par genetics) for building muscle. There are people all over this world in every state in this country that fall into that second category (the typeI category) that have used steroids and gone on to build really big muscles.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
X, would you care to share shirtless photos taken by SOMEONE ELSE as well as videos of you lifting? You’ve taken liberties in judging many of us, in terms of our effort, size, and strength. Can we do the same for you? [/quote]
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I’m bigger and leaner now.
Now, stick to the topic or start another thread about your off topic concerns.[/quote]
I think anytime I’ve ever seen X put up a pic or video or even discuss an avatar of his, he’s always saying how he’s “bigger and leaner now”. I don’t buy it. I actually think his arms look smaller in his recent avatar.
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
I think anytime I’ve ever seen X put up a pic or video or even discuss an avatar of his, he’s always saying how he’s “bigger and leaner now”. I don’t buy it. I actually think his arms look smaller in his recent avatar. [/quote]
Well, if you compound all of the ‘bigger and leaner’ claims, he should be ready for the Amateur Arnold contest a few weeks from now.
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
I think anytime I’ve ever seen X put up a pic or video or even discuss an avatar of his, he’s always saying how he’s “bigger and leaner now”. I don’t buy it. I actually think his arms look smaller in his recent avatar. [/quote]
Well, if you compound all of the ‘bigger and leaner’ claims, he should be ready for the Amateur Arnold contest a few weeks from now.
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That’s what I’m getting at. I have always admitted that X is a big dude. I stand by that. But, what I’m just not getting is that, if he is constantly getting bigger and leaner all the time by his own account, how is it that he has never decided to compete? Or, at the very least, just throw up a RMP or another training log or something to track his supposedly amazing progress.
I’d genuinely love to see constant and never-failing progress of the sort that X describes. Lastly, and I’m really not saying this to instigate, as it’s just my personal opinion, I don’t think he has changed much in the past few years. I see maybe some growth in the anterior deltoids and traps, but those have always been his strong points.
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
I think anytime I’ve ever seen X put up a pic or video or even discuss an avatar of his, he’s always saying how he’s “bigger and leaner now”. I don’t buy it. I actually think his arms look smaller in his recent avatar. [/quote]
Well, if you compound all of the ‘bigger and leaner’ claims, he should be ready for the Amateur Arnold contest a few weeks from now.
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That was nice. I’m not seeing much “humility” in your posts as of late considering how things like that and everyone else’s ego seem to be your primary concerns.
I was in a motorcycle accident 3 years ago. One that nearly took my right eye, my right hand and my life.
It took me over a year to get my hand strength back after learning how to use my dominant hand all over again (my fingers were broken and had to be reset with metal splints).
It took over two years for the back spasms to stop.
Through all of that I kept lifting and posting pictures of my progress…once dropping to below 230lbs simply because I couldn’t perform most of the exercises at one time.
I am now bigger and leaner than I was before that time…and frankly, anyone like yourself who is making fun of my progress after all of that can burn in hell.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am now bigger and leaner than I was before that time…and frankly, anyone like yourself who is making fun of my progress after all of that can burn in hell.
I’ll light the match.[/quote]
So acknowledging or agreeing with someone else’s pointing out how you’re always touting your continual progress is making fun of you? You’re the one always making the statements. If you don’t want people taking notice,stop doing it.
And as far as humility, I don’t think I, or for that matter anyone else, have ever gone on about personal progress or accomplishments, let alone talked down to people on here the way you do. So please don’t try to target me like you always do when you try to play the wounded soul. You make yourself a lightning rod, so don’t whine when people react.
For further reference though:
hu·mil·i·ty/hyu-m-lti or, often, yu-/ Show Spelled [hyoo-mil-i-tee or, often, yoo-] noun
modest opinion or estimate of one’s own importance, rank, etc.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
So acknowledging or agreeing with someone else’s pointing out how you’re always touting your continual progress is making fun of you?[/quote]
Yes, it is, Stu…and the passive aggressive “I didn’t do anything but comment on someone else” is making you look real petty.
I haven’t written anything about my progress other than what I have written here over and over for the past three years as I recovered.
[quote]And as far as humility, I don’t think I, or for that matter anyone else, have ever gone on about personal progress or accomplishments, let alone talked down to people on here the way you do.
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Uh huh:
You aren’t better than me, Stu. You don’t have better character as a person either…because one thing I won’t do is make fun of someone who I can see very well did their best with the hand they were dealt.
Most people would have stopped training after an accident like that. I certainly don’t need your approval to discuss what I have accomplished despite going through something like that.
So you were in a auto accident where you were run over as a child if I remember correctly, causing permanent damage (how you passed a military physical I really don’t get) and now this motorcycle accident three years ago… correct?
Since that time, you have gotten to nearly 270 “relatively lean”
And yet the only pics you post are hunched over MM with tanktops on.
And you think that we should think of you as some guru on how to get “massive muscles”?
So much hate such little men. I wouldn’t bother posting stuff to people who like to over critique or pick at your advice comments ect. I would say walk across a stage one day for the hell of it to silence all nay sayers then post a pic of your ass after the contest. Especially for people who wanted to clean this site up. It’s funny everyone just sits there and analyzes your shit to death, I see loads of envy man, good for you.
[quote]Jlabs wrote:
So much hate such little men. I wouldn’t bother posting stuff to people who like to over critique or pick at your advice comments ect. I would say walk across a stage one day for the hell of it to silence all nay sayers then post a pic of your ass after the contest. Especially for people who wanted to clean this site up. It’s funny everyone just sits there and analyzes your shit to death, I see loads of envy man, good for you.[/quote]
Yeah, that god damn Pro Natty Bodybuilder is blatantly jealous of X and his unbacked claims of constantly becoming bigger AND leaner.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
So acknowledging or agreeing with someone else’s pointing out how you’re always touting your continual progress is making fun of you?[/quote]
Yes, it is, Stu…and the passive aggressive “I didn’t do anything but comment on someone else” is making you look real petty.
I haven’t written anything about my progress other than what I have written here over and over for the past three years as I recovered.
[quote]And as far as humility, I don’t think I, or for that matter anyone else, have ever gone on about personal progress or accomplishments, let alone talked down to people on here the way you do.
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Uh huh:
You aren’t better than me, Stu. You don’t have better character as a person either…because one thing I won’t do is make fun of someone who I can see very well did their best with the hand they were dealt.
Most people would have stopped training after an accident like that. I certainly don’t need your approval to discuss what I have accomplished despite going through something like that.[/quote]
LOL. This is funny coming from the guy who has been the biggest condescending prick on this site for over a decade.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
So acknowledging or agreeing with someone else’s pointing out how you’re always touting your continual progress is making fun of you?[/quote]
Yes, it is, Stu…and the passive aggressive “I didn’t do anything but comment on someone else” is making you look real petty.[/quote]
I’ll take your word on that. I’m certainly allowed to have a little laugh at the mean ol’ bear when he does a silly trick just like everyone else, especially if you keep asking for it. Again, if you didn’t want the attention, I 100% believe that you’d stop acting the way you do. I may think you troll a bit here and there, but never did I ever think you were stupid. No one comes here with an ‘out to get you’ attitude, you just like to press buttons and you know it.
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I haven’t written anything about my progress other than what I have written here over and over for the past three years as I recovered.
[quote]And as far as humility, I don’t think I, or for that matter anyone else, have ever gone on about personal progress or accomplishments, let alone talked down to people on here the way you do.
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Uh huh:
You realize of course that I wrote the above statement in explaining why I believe that I personally have a fairly well trained eye for making a pretty probably guesstimate as to enhanced and non-enhanced physiques, as well as taking certain advice from those who train enhanced with a grain of salt. Just like you to take things out of context though. Maybe you’d like to edit my quote to make yourself look correct like you did a few months back and everyone called you on it… that wasn’t “petty” though.
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You aren’t better than me, Stu. You don’t have better character as a person either…because one thing I won’t do is make fun of someone who I can see very well did their best with the hand they were dealt.[/quote]
Never did I ever say I was. As to our characters, I think its safe to say that we’ve both been on this forum a damn long time, and we’ve both established pretty solid (albeit differing) reputations. While I will not blatantly “make fun” of anyone no matter what my personal feelings may be based on their actions and behaviors, I also don’t pretend to be a saint. If people respect me, it’s because I don’t try to be anything I’m not.
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Most people would have stopped training after an accident like that. I certainly don’t need your approval to discuss what I have accomplished despite going through something like that.[/quote]
Yes, most would. You’re correct, you don’t need my or anyone else’s approval to post or “discuss” anything. Of course being an open forum, that means that we all have to play by the rules of the population (mob mentality maybe?). So if the mob appears to tire of the same threads (whoops, “discussions” and downtalking), then we’re both going to reap what we sow no matter how much you may want to think it’s some horrible conspiracy to stop you from spreading the gospel of the real truth about training and bodybuilding… but only on this site though.
