Hey guys, me riding Geoff Thompson’s nutsuck again, here with this excellent video.
Love Geoff Thompson. Awesome shit.
Good stuff.
Good stuff.
this needs a bump for so many reasons.
Keith Kernspecht, german Wing Tsun Guru calls this sometimes “mediterrainean gesticulation”, which I find very clever.
You need to practise this a few times with partners.
Train how to get out and away quickly and effectively - while under constant verbal abuse
Train how to immediately cope with and unleash hell if he strikes (or tries to)
Train how you start to throw first ie, which combos and setups you can work with
And, very important, train how to check the environment and your aggression levels
^^ agreed 100%
Majority of Thompson’s work focuses strongly on all 4 of those points you made, especially reading people and controlling the situation with verbal and psychological tactics.
However the work of his I love most, is his work on “fear” or adrenaline responses in the body. It really brought it home to me that everyone, even the most experienced fighters in the world get fear/adrenal responses, and that fear is not a foe, but a friend, but should always be kept under control.
I put “most powerful technique” in the title as a dig at people who are always looking for that holy grail of fighting, yet as Thompson puts it so perfectly “the truth is too simple. It’s not pretty enough”.
This is great and all, but I wonder why he didn’t recommend hitting in the throat? It is a surprisingly easy target to hit and if you miss you tag the jaw anyway.
are you serious?
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
are you serious?[/quote]
I suppose you are talking to me…the answer is yes, I am serious. I am sure he has been in more fights and altercations that I have been in. But I have had a fair amount. I have hit somebody in the throat twice and that is all there was to it. The first guy spent 2 days in the hospital - so I know it is effective. Others I have hit in the face, jaw, etc…many times this ends the fight IF you get a solid hit…but if you don’t it is always ugly as they then start hitting back or you cut your hand on their mouth (like he mentioned), etc.
Yes, I know it could have killed them…but I had no idea what their intention was for me, so I assumed the worst.
Let me put it this way, let’s just practise eye gouging and stabbing.
Bigger chance for success, less chance for someone to die (never mind the potential blindness).
There, you have your answer.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Let me put it this way, let’s just practise eye gouging and stabbing.
Bigger chance for success, less chance for someone to die (never mind the potential blindness).
There, you have your answer.[/quote]
Dude’s a troll. Pay him no mind.
Cool video, I’m gonna look more into this.
i watched all the videos i could find and they’re pretty entertaining but…
i’m a short guy (5’8) and it seems kind of wierd to me how close the fence is to the other person… crowded club or not, i dont think i could get away with physically placing my hand on some dudes wrist, putting a hand on their shoulder, etc… maybe its because he looks like a tall dude and he’s in a position of authority as a bouncer, but in another situation it seems like that much touchy-feely with an already potentially aggressive person would only escalate the situation further (don’t fucking touch me), in the UK and much more so in even more macho cultures
In my understanding, you should not estabish the fence and argue from there, that’s so not what this is about.
Sometimes some asshole does get close, very close, he might even kinda corner you. He might even not be aware that he’s testing you subconsciously like a shark. In that situation, putting up a fence is the smartest thing you can do because:
Instinctivly, you will either signal fear or a willingness to fight. Trust me, there is little in-between for our genetic ape-setup. If you are a nerdy type like me who devours every inch of footage about predators and apes you can find, you can literally see NO difference. eg
at the fith second, he does what every good chimp does, flaring out his arms for no good reason other then to make himself look broad. Which is kinda funny because…well let’s just say he doesn’t make a good point.
That shit is bad on the street cause it’s provoking to most aggressors and it leaves you very open.
Now, the flight behaviour, if done right is a sure thing for the moment but I don’t have to telll you about it’s drawbacks. It’s mostly an impractical thing to run out of clubs head over heels.
Still, even without a 100 meter dash, an overly defensive attitude will get you ass kicked because the aggressor will sense easy prey.
So the fence is about riding that in-between I was talking about.
You can still get attacked, but you’re in a far, far better position then just standing there.
You shouldn’t argue logically (well, you might, but it’s unlikely it will help, I know of very few situations reasonhelped prevent a scrap) but diffuse escalating emotions, buying time, position yourself better, getting an outlook on the situation - perhaps you can spot a buddy of yours or him, perhaps you can see the pavement is full of glass shards.
Whatever circumstances - you should get out of the situation asap and the fence can help you bridge the most dangerous 30 seconds.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Let me put it this way, let’s just practise eye gouging and stabbing.
Bigger chance for success, less chance for someone to die (never mind the potential blindness).
There, you have your answer.[/quote]
Dude’s a troll. Pay him no mind.[/quote]
And Fighting Irish is a dick sucker…pay him no mind.
In any case, funny you mention the eye gauging. I know a man who did just that…got in a fight at a bar; the other man had a knife, he took the knife away and gauged his eyes out with it. Blinded the man…judge said had you killed him it would have been self-defense and he would have not been sent to jail…but since he gauged his eyes out an let the guy live – he did jail time…
[quote]mmllcc wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Let me put it this way, let’s just practise eye gouging and stabbing.
Bigger chance for success, less chance for someone to die (never mind the potential blindness).
There, you have your answer.[/quote]
Dude’s a troll. Pay him no mind.[/quote]
And Fighting Irish is a dick sucker…pay him no mind.
In any case, funny you mention the eye gauging. I know a man who did just that…got in a fight at a bar; the other man had a knife, he took the knife away and gauged his eyes out with it. Blinded the man…judge said had you killed him it would have been self-defense and he would have not been sent to jail…but since he gauged his eyes out an let the guy live – he did jail time…[/quote]
I’m not the one who comes on once every four months and spouts some bullshit story then dissapears.
I worked nightclub doors for over 5 years and found this to be a very effective technique for many reasons
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]mmllcc wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Let me put it this way, let’s just practise eye gouging and stabbing.
Bigger chance for success, less chance for someone to die (never mind the potential blindness).
There, you have your answer.[/quote]
Dude’s a troll. Pay him no mind.[/quote]
And Fighting Irish is a dick sucker…pay him no mind.
In any case, funny you mention the eye gauging. I know a man who did just that…got in a fight at a bar; the other man had a knife, he took the knife away and gauged his eyes out with it. Blinded the man…judge said had you killed him it would have been self-defense and he would have not been sent to jail…but since he gauged his eyes out an let the guy live – he did jail time…[/quote]
If this is true I doubt that the judge would have explained why he was sending your friend to jail exactly that way. Though it is obvious why someone would go to jail for doing something like that. Once you take the knife away the threat to you is reduced. If the man kept attacking and you happen to gouge one eye out it might be possible self defense. But once that happened the fight is over. When your friend gouged out the mans other eye as retribution that is what got him into trouble.
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I’m not the one who comes on once every four months and spouts some bullshit story then dissapears.[/quote]
Irish now you can see why I lost much of my interest in the combat forum. Oi vie!
Please, Sifu: Stay!
Okay. This video covers an important basic concept of self defense that can do more to save your ass than just knowing how to fight yet it gets overlooked. The reason why is probably because it isn’t something that strokes our ego like being able to simply dominate and beat someone up. As he says in the video you have to keep your ego in check for this to work.
The concept here is that you can be in a self defense situation long before the first kick or punch in a fight is thrown. This one of the areas where self defense and combat sport radically diverge. In a boxing match or an MMA match you are going to have signal from a referee when it is time to fight that you don’t get in self defense.
How you handle the prefight jockeying for position can really do a lot to determine the outcome. You don’t necessarily need to be bigger, stronger, faster or even a better fighter than the other guy if he makes mistakes in his positioning.
That video of the guy getting knocked out is a good example of what not to do. Because he was taller than everyone else he felt dominant which kicked in his ego. So he stepped right up to his opponent to tower over him and try to dominate him. The problem with that, is being so close he had to devote all his concentration on the man right in front of him because he would have very little reaction time if he did something. This put him in a state of tunnel vision.
If he had kept a few steps back he would have been able to look around him and see who was trying to outflank him and move into his blind spot. Also he would have been more likely to sense someone moving from his side to his rear in his peripheral vision without having to look around. When he stepped up on the man in front he moved the guy who knocked him out into his blind spot without the guy having to do anything.
He also made it more confrontational so the other guy felt justified in sucker punching him. As tall as he was he probably had a reach advantage on all of them but he gave it away by getting too close. With that reach he could have used the same check that Thompson used in the video where he pushed on his opponents closest shoulder and angled off.
I could go on but I’ll leave you with this. There are principles of fighting that you can use in the prefight confrontation. ie Range is important, keeping the other person away gives more reaction time and also allows greater awareness of what is going on around you making it easier to deal with multiple opponents.
Body positioning can be decisive. If you hold your hands up about shoulder height they don’t have as far to go to protect you head:
There is suttle elbow positioning combined with forearm angling that won’t leave a lot of openings on your body. The thing is this can look very natural and therefore not threatening.
Another self defense concept is using an offset side stance. This protects your groin and moves your center line targets off center so any straight blows landed there are going to be hitting at an angle instead of directly perpendicular. This also minimizes your profile you look less intimidating or threatening.
Bending your knees a little bit so they aren’t locked out could save a knee from getting kicked out. This also gives you more mobility and maneuverability. Maneuverability is very important to this. It also makes you a little shorter and less intimidating or threatening.
Trying to be less threatening can be useful in trying to defuse a confrontation. But it can also be useful to stroke an opponents ego so he makes a mistake.