The End Of Man

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[quote]marza wrote:
Honestly, I don’t believe that it’s quite as black and white as you’re making it out to be. But, in truth, I’d have to say I throw in my lot with the people who don’t give a shit what others think (unless there’s some reason why I have to care).

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I tend to think it is very black and white because there is no other color directly associated with femininity in western culture other than the color pink. I personally don’t base what I wear on what others will directly think of it. I can OFTEN be found in tank tops. I wear them because it’s comfortable and I can. I could care less whether someone thinks that “tasteless” or anything else. I also don’t worry about the absolute latest fashions as nothing has ever pissed me off more than being around guys who care about fashion the way women do. I find it petty.

All in all, I feel the guy who even goes out of his way to find a pink shirt is only making one statement (especially lately), “look at me, I dare to pop my color and wear pink!”. No one gives a shit, and 9 times out of 10, the guy doing it does look a little less than masculine which makes it all that much more funny.

Most are not doing it because the pink shirt was simply laying next to the other colored shirts on the table at the store and they just happened to pick that color. It is just rare enough for it to be entirely intentional which makes it that much more silly to me.

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[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
Damn people! Don’t you realize that pink is the new black? [/quote]

No, it’s the new mauve.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Most are not doing it because the pink shirt was simply laying next to the other colored shirts on the table at the store and they just happened to pick that color. It is just rare enough for it to be entirely intentional which makes it that much more silly to me.[/quote]

I have to be honest: someone bought any pink shirts I have for me, and I tend to wear them when everything else is dirty. I knew lots of “manly men,” growing up, who wore pink… I just don’t think it’s a big deal. I won’t go out of my way to wear it, and I don’t go out of my way to avoid it.

I do not, however, pop my collar unless greenlighting.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

The Symbolic meaning:
Is associated with female essence of life. It is viewed as red rendered mild and gentle and therefore associated with tenderness, calmness, pleasantness, and sweet. According to Akan social though, these attributes are generally considered as essential aspects of the female essence.

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Adolph hitler even knew the power of symbolic colors and emblems.

He used RED, BLACK, & WHITE, to drape his flags and carry the colors of his party… The National Socialist Party(NAZI)… because of the meaning and power behind that color combination and what it represented. He was a good salesman, how else would he have gotten so many followers?

He knew the power of these colors so he used this power with symbols as well… taking the ancient symbol of the swastika(swasti in Sanskrit or well being/good luck) symbol.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
marza wrote:
Honestly, I don’t believe that it’s quite as black and white as you’re making it out to be. But, in truth, I’d have to say I throw in my lot with the people who don’t give a shit what others think (unless there’s some reason why I have to care).

I tend to think it is very black and white because there is no other color directly associated with femininity in western culture other than the color pink. I personally don’t base what I wear on what others will directly think of it. I can OFTEN be found in tank tops. I wear them because it’s comfortable and I can. I could care less whether someone thinks that “tasteless” or anything else. I also don’t worry about the absolute latest fashions as nothing has ever pissed me off more than being around guys who care about fashion the way women do. I find it petty.

All in all, I feel the guy who even goes out of his way to find a pink shirt is only making one statement (especially lately), “look at me, I dare to pop my color and wear pink!”. No one gives a shit, and 9 times out of 10, the guy doing it does look a little less than masculine which makes it all that much more funny.

Most are not doing it because the pink shirt was simply laying next to the other colored shirts on the table at the store and they just happened to pick that color. It is just rare enough for it to be entirely intentional which makes it that much more silly to me.[/quote]

Bingo! It is a fashion statement. I’m wondering about all those guys here who claim to have grown up around men who wore pink. Unless you grew up in Santa Monica or San Francisco, I don’t believe it. I can not remember EVER seeing a guy wearing pink until recently.

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Men have been wearing light pink shirts with a suit and tie for decades. I’ve never once viewed guys who wear them as feminine. Casual pink shirts are in fashion again now, and while my 9yo son asked for one last summer, my husband would never consider it. So, could it be somewhat of a generational thing? I’m guessing most studly jocks in high school and college would wear a pink shirt in 2006.

I did buy my husband a deep salmon-colored dress shirt and matching tie to wear to a formal event. He questioned it a little, but my sister and I told him how sharp he looked, and he wore it. He got lots of compliments from the ladies that night … and lots of crap from the men about his “pink” shirt.

Didn’t help that it was an event for the construction industry. And then a photo of him from that night was published in a trade magazine; he showed me the photo, and gave me the serious evil eye. It wasn’t pink … it was salmon!

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Man, things were a lot simpler back in the day. Business attire was a blazer with a tie, a button down (white or blue and starched) and black or gray slacks unless a conservative dark suit was worn with wing tips of course.

Flip-flops in a place of business?
In a grass hut beach bar maybe.

We were lucky I guess, we let the ladies worry about the latest fashions.
We just wore what looked “neat and clean” and let them enjoy being the focus of attention in the style area.

Worked o.k. a few years ago and keeps it simple now.

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[quote]PGJ wrote:

Bingo! It is a fashion statement. I’m wondering about all those guys here who claim to have grown up around men who wore pink. Unless you grew up in Santa Monica or San Francisco, I don’t believe it. I can not remember EVER seeing a guy wearing pink until recently.

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I’m not a guy but I did say I grew up around men who wore pink. Other coast though - Short Hills and then Mendham, NJ.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Chromosomes determine gender, not pants.

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And the style of pant determines whether or not it was designed to cover nuts or a vagina…

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Hey, I guess its a generational thing.
These guys look like your average T-Nation “should I cut now or risk getting fatter” guys.

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[quote]SBB wrote:
Men have been wearing light pink shirts with a suit and tie for decades. I’ve never once viewed guys who wear them as feminine. Casual pink shirts are in fashion again now, and while my 9yo son asked for one last summer, my husband would never consider it. So, could it be somewhat of a generational thing? I’m guessing most studly jocks in high school and college would wear a pink shirt in 2006.

I did buy my husband a deep salmon-colored dress shirt and matching tie to wear to a formal event. He questioned it a little, but my sister and I told him how sharp he looked, and he wore it. He got lots of compliments from the ladies that night … and lots of crap from the men about his “pink” shirt.

Didn’t help that it was an event for the construction industry. And then a photo of him from that night was published in a trade magazine; he showed me the photo, and gave me the serious evil eye. It wasn’t pink … it was salmon!
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I don’t mean to be rude… but this will sound a little rude. The guy wearing the pink pansy colored shirt is not the problem. The kid that is built like a fucking toothpick and wears womens eye shadow is not the problem. The problem is… YOU!

The fact that you wouldn’t tell some pansy looking guy that he looks like a pansy instead of a man is a problem. This is why girls think its cool to date boys now that the girl could kick their ass. You telling this guy he looks “Hawt” in that shirt or the society of American women thinking that somehow Orlando Bloom and Brad Pitt represent an ideal man and what one should look like. Brad granted is handsome and has a little muscle… but is still a long shot from ever looking like a ‘real man’.

The fact that more women are turned on by little nancy boys and raising their sons to walk around in fucking capri pants and wear pink popped collared shirts is the fucking problem. The color pink… yeah its a little girly, but who gives a fuck. It’s the acceptance of men wearing this color an women thinking oh its ok, hear try on my underware while your at it… it’s just clothing.

Men… Wake the fuck up. If you don’t raise your son to be a man… don’t expect him to come out looking like one and acting like one when he was raised by his mommy.

Now I’m not saying that the blame is all on the women, sometimes the woman has no real male masculine role models around so she does the best she can.

Let me just say if I was a single dad with a young baby girl… she wouldn’t be wearing jeans and I would buy her as many dresses as she wanted. I would find a ‘real woman’ to help her with her make up and teach her how to be a lady… whatever I could not help her with or teach, I would find a “woman” to show her.

Take some responsibility America. I can’t raise all your little pansy children and tell them to man the fuck up.

Capri pants on a guy… get the fuck outta here! What is this world comming to?

Long story short… pink aint cool on a guy. Maybe for a little girl who wants a little metro-sexual boy. But, a woman wants a man that knows how to wear Black!

Not get off you fuckers!

I hate this fucking American pasification shit!

Too many little girls and lesbians licking each others twats nowadays instead of women acting like women. You should be attracted to MEN, not women and boys that look like little girls. WHAT THE FUCK! Men need to learn to act like men too. Nothing wrong with laying down a little law and gettin things done.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Pink in culture:
Nature of Pink: While red stirs up passion and action, studies have shown that large amounts of pink can create physical weakness in people. Perhaps there is a tie-in between this physical reaction and the color’s association with the so-called weaker sex.
Culture of Pink: In some cultures, such as the US, pink is the color of little girls. It represents sugar and spice and everything nice. Pink for men goes in and out of style. Most people still think of pink as a feminine, delicate color.
Using Pink: Both red and pink denote love but while red is hot passion, pink is romantic and charming. Use pink to convey playfulness (hot pink flamingoes) and tenderness (pastel pinks). Multiple shades of pink and light purple or other pastels used together maintain the soft, delicate, and playful nature of pink. Add strength with darker shades of pinks and purple and burgundy.

Historical meaning of the color or representation:
Signifies healing, familial or emotional love (rather than sexual), friendship, affections, unselfish emotions, spiritual healing, banishing hatred

The Symbolic meaning:
Is associated with female essence of life. It is viewed as red rendered mild and gentle and therefore associated with tenderness, calmness, pleasantness, and sweet. According to Akan social though, these attributes are generally considered as essential aspects of the female essence.

Bottom line, while we can pretend that colors don’t mean anything…they do and always have. Studies have been done that show certain colors evoke certain emotional responses. This is why restaurants will often paint their walls according to the emotional response given off by certain colors. Decorators are well aware of this as well. Along with that is the huge cultural and historical meaning that doesn’t disappear just because you want to think it doesn’t matter.

While I personally buy clothes out of functionality more than I ever do to be in a certain style (I think I have my own ‘style’), I don’t judge a man poorly simply because he dresses ‘well’. I dress ‘well’ sometimes myself but not just to go to the store or hit the gym. On goes the functional shirt or tank top and some shorts. However, I do question why someone would ignore the historical significance of a color that is related so strongly to being feminine and then fire off that 'it doesn’t matter!!!". Well, damn, if it truly didn’t matter, you wouldn’t need to defend yourself, would you?

Now, if it does matter to many people and you simply don’t give a shit, then fine as well. Do your thing. Just don’t pretend that tradition, symbolism and history get thrown out of the window simply because of what is in style this year at Abercrombie.[/quote]

LOL!
Okaaay…Im getting to see why I dont own anything pink and always wear red to workouts.
Did you know that some javelins they are making these days are PINK?!!!
I mean, seriously, who wants to throw a pink javelin? Barbie? Id kill myself if I had to throw that. Sorry to any pink lovers in here.

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[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:

Adolph hitler even knew the power of symbolic colors and emblems.

He used RED, BLACK, & WHITE, to drape his flags and carry the colors of his party… The National Socialist Party(NAZI)… because of the meaning and power behind that color combination and what it represented. He was a good salesman, how else would he have gotten so many followers?

He knew the power of these colors so he used this power with symbols as well… taking the ancient symbol of the swastika(swasti in Sanskrit or well being/good luck) symbol.

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http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/

“Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies: As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.”

  • Mike Godwin, first article about the topic in the Google archives,
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[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
The fact that you wouldn’t tell some pansy looking guy that he looks like a pansy instead of a man is a problem. [/quote]

He didn’t look like a pansy. He looked “hawt.” And he definitely looked like a man!

So, if women are attracted to this look - or other stylish attire - then they’re to blame for the pussification of America? I think you’re putting far too much emphasis on outward appearances instead of the actual characteristics that truly constitute real manliness.

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[quote]marza wrote:
Now if I run into a man who deliberately avoids pink I actually find him a little less manly because that says to me that he’s not secure enough about his masculinity that he’s worried what others might think.

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Yeah I know!! I think that too, Its actually a big turn-off for me. I always impulsively move away from guys who talk bad about other guys who have worn pink, it makes me uncomfortable and it always seems immature.
Yet not even I can throw a pink javelin. But that is because I cant imagine seeing any sane American-raised person (women included) wearing pink while doing their sport if they are serious about it.
(like Prof X said, it IS a playful color)

But, come on, if a guy is scared of wearing certain colors in casual dress–that seems just plain wussy on first thought-cant argue with that.
When guys tease other guys about it and the guy gets all agitiated by it(who is being teased)-it would seem like there is a lot of insecurity about his masculinity that he couldnt just shrug the guys off and let them verbally express their own insecurities about the color by teasing him.

Though I do understand the insecurities, because of the British to American traditional “diapered girl” views/feelings/whatever people get from looking at the color pink, so Im not saying any of them are wrong for expressing their uneasiness about the color-(I do it too with those javs) But I cant see how I could deal with a guy that took everything at face value. The “Men no wear pink shirt” primitive thinking.

Beware of women who could use this question “have you ever wore pink like that guy is?” to see where you stand on things. I disagree with girls Ive seen do it (though it was interesting so I didnt stop them from questioning), because it Could be insecurity but it could be just primitivity also…whatever it is there are more factors to it id think.

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[quote]SBB wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
The fact that you wouldn’t tell some pansy looking guy that he looks like a pansy instead of a man is a problem.

He didn’t look like a pansy. He looked “hawt.” And he definitely looked like a man!

So, if women are attracted to this look - or other stylish attire - then they’re to blame for the pussification of America? I think you’re putting far too much emphasis on outward appearances instead of the actual characteristics that truly constitute real manliness.[/quote]

I knew that was comming. Here’s my answer. Look the part. At least to the best of your ability. We all can’t be over 6’ tall and 200lbs with a deep voice. But we don’t have to wear pink shirts, womens eye shadow. I have a rule of thumb. If your womans thighs are bigger than yours and your woman does not have a sever weight problem; understandable, then your woman is more man than you and you are no representation of what a man is.

I’ll be willing to bet Jenifer snistons thighs were bigger than Brad Pitt’s when they were married. Jolie is such an anorexic they might be tied.

I know Dicaprio and Bloom are “Hawt” to the ladies and they definitely have smaller thighs than their women. Are they men? Hell no. But that is what society is transforming the look into.

Sometimes you just gotts speak your mind… and i won’t hold back on this shit.

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[quote]SBB wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
The fact that you wouldn’t tell some pansy looking guy that he looks like a pansy instead of a man is a problem.

He didn’t look like a pansy. He looked “hawt.” And he definitely looked like a man!

So, if women are attracted to this look - or other stylish attire - then they’re to blame for the pussification of America? I think you’re putting far too much emphasis on outward appearances instead of the actual characteristics that truly constitute real manliness.[/quote]

What does “stylish attire” have to do with the color PINK?

I can a full suit and tie with a matching pocket scarf yet somehow you have related a color to an entire style?

What if I chose dark blue for shirt and a brown tie? Does one fall out of “hawt” because they left out the pink?

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[quote]SBB wrote:

So, if women are attracted to this look - or other stylish attire - then they’re to blame for the pussification of America? I think you’re putting far too much emphasis on outward appearances instead of the actual characteristics that truly constitute real manliness.[/quote]

Seriously, this is what worries me about this thread. I have very definite opinions about what constitutes “manliness” - it’s courage, and honesty and a willingness to do what’s right even when that’s not easy. It’s protecting the weak and being courteous as a default state. It’s being straight with people and yourself. If a man can truly say that he’s all those things, then I don’t care if he’s walking the streets of San Francisco, wearing a pink polo, man bag over his arm, singing show tunes. He’s a man in my book.

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I said it to the guy because in my mind, capri pants remind me of Mary Tyler Moore.

Prancing around on the dick van dyke show re-runs.

I know this kid isnt gay, im not saying hes gay. He was wearing womens pants.

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[quote]marza wrote:
SBB wrote:

So, if women are attracted to this look - or other stylish attire - then they’re to blame for the pussification of America? I think you’re putting far too much emphasis on outward appearances instead of the actual characteristics that truly constitute real manliness.

Seriously, this is what worries me about this thread. I have very definite opinions about what constitutes “manliness” - it’s courage, and honesty and a willingness to do what’s right even when that’s not easy. It’s protecting the weak and being courteous as a default state. It’s being straight with people and yourself. If a man can truly say that he’s all those things, then I don’t care if he’s walking the streets of San Francisco, wearing a pink polo, man bag over his arm, singing show tunes. He’s a man in my book.
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How could you possibly know how courageous, courteous, or protective of the weak someone is by how they dress?

One problem I have always had with the way women think is how they relate shoes, shirts and pants with what a man is all about. That in itself is retarded. I doubt many people walking by me on the street could guess one thing about me other than that I lift weights. Therefore, all of this discussion of colors is irrelevant when discussing character.

In western culture, pink is considered feminine. Lately, it is a new fad in clothing for men. That is all it is. I will not wear pink if for no other reason than it is some ridiculous fad lately that doesn’t even make sense. Most of the guys wearing pink lately are doing so as a fucking fashion statement. That in itself is the problem because how much more petty can you get than to base your closet contents on MTV hype?