[quote]countingbeans wrote:
ron-e wrote:
“I have had the biggest guys in the group at three consecutive Barbell certs, and not one of them could press 125 for 5. You better believe though that they critiqued Andy BoltonÃ?¢??s bodyweight and appearance, and Vasily AlexievÃ?¢??s press technique during the video portion of the seminar” John Sheaffer
cant press 125 for 5 and they criticize Andy Bolton and Vasily Alexiev…un fucking believable.
You obviously don’t read these forums much do you.[/quote]
I try not to read much of anything that involves crossfit, but this topic pulled me in.
I pay 55 dollars a month for a gym that has everything a crossfit box would have and more. Knowledgible coaches and free workshops on saturday on all types of issues from oly lifting to nutrition to powerlifting, etc.,
I guess I could drop the dough on a crossfit gym but then I would also be placing the outcome of my workout and the effect they have on my sport which is Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I can’t do that, there’s too much randomness for me to trust the outcome.
[quote]ron-e wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
ron-e wrote:
“I have had the biggest guys in the group at three consecutive Barbell certs, and not one of them could press 125 for 5. You better believe though that they critiqued Andy BoltonÃ??Ã?¢??s bodyweight and appearance, and Vasily AlexievÃ??Ã?¢??s press technique during the video portion of the seminar” John Sheaffer
cant press 125 for 5 and they criticize Andy Bolton and Vasily Alexiev…un fucking believable.
You obviously don’t read these forums much do you.
I try not to read much of anything that involves crossfit, but this topic pulled me in. [/quote]
No i meant the part about people with no business criticizing the accomplishments of others running their mouth.
Also see beginners section for overwhelming amount of 150lbs guys dishing out advice on how to get huge…
Who the fuck cares what other people pay for their gym membership? Many crossfit facilities are decked out with training equipment that you wouldn’t see in a commercial gym.
People pay that much for the training environment.
I wonder how many serious powerlifters on here would pay 100 bucks per month to lift at a serious powerlifting gym with 20 serious training partners? My guess is quite a few.
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
1000rippedbuff wrote:
Yeah, but at a normal gym you don’t get any coaching at all. Or the type of equipment we have with the liberty to actually train hard. The membership fee is all you’ll ever pay me. Most people think its pretty cheap for what you get. I’ve never had a single complaint. We aren’t bringing people in and turning them loose on a sea of equipment.
I build programs and teach lifts and gymnastics movements and help with diet. My people will never be able to go to a regular gym because people don’t train seriously there.
A VERY broad statement. I have trained at hardcore gyms, commercial gyms and now at home. If someone is serious about training; it doesn’t matter where they train. I have never been to a Crossfit gym, nor do I have any particular like or dislike for them. However, the ingrained elitism in your last statement is the attitude that turns most people off to crossfit. If you are good at what you do, be proud of it; but there is a point at which confidence becomes arrogance.
[/quote]
I’m not saying nobody does, just the majority. I’m also not pointing the finger at anybody on here who does because I have no idea who they are. Personally, when I was training in commercial gyms, before I even did any crossfit at all, it was annoying for all the reasons people have mentioned on this very site time and time again.
My last statement wasn’t meant to be elitist. More of a dislike for the large chain gyms where the majority of people go. Most of my clients come looking for a place they can really train at. They tell me they can’t go to commercial facilities anymore because of the hassle and non-training environment presented.
[quote]HG Thrower wrote:
1000rippedbuff wrote:
You all can rip all you want, but you don’t know me or my coaching level. My people know what they get and find it well worth it. When I said people don’t train hard at commercial gyms, well, that’s generally true. So if that shoe fits, wear it, if not, disregard. At my gym I have the set up and space to do just about anything. My people do very, very well. My people have told me after training here they couldn’t go back to a regular gym exactly for the reasons I’ve stated.
And, hey, I used to train at a commercial gym, its a pain in the ass because there are too many people doing stupid shit and the whole place and attitude is antagonistic to actual hard training. I’ve also trained at serious gyms where serious athletes and lifters train. At those places you pay a premium even if you aren’t getting coaching because they are there for a small segment of the population. At my gym I’m not looking for the average gym rat or guy who wants to do bench and curls everyday. I get serious trainees here who want good coaching. People who want that don’t mind paying for it, in fact, my prices are pretty cheap.
Maybe you are the one-in-fifty Crossfit center that is worth anything (as stated in the original blog). If so, great. That doesn’t make up for the systemic issues with the rest of the organization.[/quote]
I haven’t been to a huge number of crossfits I’ve stated that most of the ones in my area suck. I get members leaving them to come to my place all the time.
That being said, for my prices, I’m not charging Defranco prices, but I don’t claim to be at that level or of that notoriety either. I think my fees are appropriate.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
1000rippedbuff wrote:
I charge 115/mo unlimited and we do not do group setting stuff. It isn’t 1 on 1 and I’m not babysitting you, but I’m coaching, I liken it to sports training. Your football coaches weren’t helping you alone, but you still get individual help. At my place the newer people get more help and the people who have been with me a while do their workout and I help them as needed. It works really well.
$115 A MONTH? Holy shit, are there fluffing stations in the locker room? Because that is fucking expensive as hell just on the membership. I could belong to two gyms for that, one with a pool and indoor track in the rich neighborhood.[/quote]
LOL! Fluffing stations haha. 115+ a month? Wow crossfit is a fuckin scam.
I like that dude that wrote the post. Like anything else, when the whole damn breathing public gets involved, shit stops getting elite and starts sucking.
I wonder how many serious powerlifters on here would pay 100 bucks per month to lift at a serious powerlifting gym with 20 serious training partners? My guess is quite a few.[/quote]
Considering that if 20 powerlifters got together and decided to lift at the same gym it instantly becomes a serious gym, and there are facilities with plenty of equipment that don’t charge 100 a month, I’d hope it’s a very low number. That’s kind of the point Lee made I think, the big serious lifters make the gym not the other way around(there are some exceptions where clearly the gym will limit your progress like a planet fitness or a place that just doesn’t have the equipment).
Saying that, if there really were no other options ya you’d probably pay 100 a month for a serious powerlifting gym… but crossfit gyms aren’t serious powerlifting gyms so =/
I try not to read much of anything that involves crossfit, but this topic pulled me in.
No i meant the part about people with no business criticizing the accomplishments of others running their mouth.
Also see beginners section for overwhelming amount of 150lbs guys dishing out advice on how to get huge…
Yeah, it’s really a shame the bigger guys spend their time in GAL.[/quote]
For the record, you were not one of the people I was referring to.
I look at it like an episode of house. A couple big dudes do a rotation or two in the forum, but jesus man, 9 times out of 10 the answer is “stop thinking so much, eat better food and keep getting stronger in the big compound lifts.” I can see how reading some of those threads and pouring over each one could drive a man insane.
You sir, and a couple other guys like you, are saints though.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Who the fuck cares what other people pay for their gym membership? Many crossfit facilities are decked out with training equipment that you wouldn’t see in a commercial gym.
People pay that much for the training environment.
I wonder how many serious powerlifters on here would pay 100 bucks per month to lift at a serious powerlifting gym with 20 serious training partners? My guess is quite a few.[/quote]
But what serious powerlifting gyms are charging this amount? Granted, I’ve only been to Big Iron Gym, but they’re not charging anywhere near that amount.
Ok, but are these CrossFit gyms charging so much because of the insane LICENSING FEES? I mean, are the owners just trying to recoup the costs and therefore charging crazy membership rates? If so, then maybe the CrossFit licensing scheme (scam?) should be reformed.
I personally think that CrossFit workouts are the same as circuit training, Metabolic training, whatever the fuck you want to call it. High work load in minimal time is all the same.
Some of the workouts make me question the coach(es) who put them together, based on safety issues such as exhausting the back before a crazy round of power cleans, but generally speaking, if the workouts are put together in a sane manner, then the CrossFit stuff becomes another valuable tool for fat loss and conditioning.
I think its only $2000 yearly for new gyms. Not that bad of a deal, considering you get a fair bit of marketing and such handled for you.
I don’t think the price is that bad, however I’m thinking of a gym stocked w/ bumpers, platforms, suitable power racks, benches, free weights, maybe some strongman stuff, sleds, and tires, that lets you have free reign to do whatever. $150 a month for 3 group metcons a week is a rip off. $150/month for free reign at a well stocked, if smaller non-commerical gym, is pretty reasonable deal in my book, considering a gym like that doesn’t have the x number of sold unused memberships a commercial gym may rely on to stay sustainably profitable. I think a majority individuals who own gyms like that probably get a large amount of satisfaction from it and aren’t simply trying to make a profit.
How many crossfit gyms are the former is the question?
I think its only $2000 yearly for new gyms. Not that bad of a deal, considering you get a fair bit of marketing and such handled for you.
I don’t think the price is that bad, however I’m thinking of a gym stocked w/ bumpers, platforms, suitable power racks, benches, free weights, maybe some strongman stuff, sleds, and tires, that lets you have free reign to do whatever. $150 a month for 3 group metcons a week is a rip off. $150/month for free reign at a well stocked, if smaller non-commerical gym, is pretty reasonable deal in my book, considering a gym like that doesn’t have the x number of sold unused memberships a commercial gym may rely on to stay sustainably profitable. I think a majority individuals who own gyms like that probably get a large amount of satisfaction from it and aren’t simply trying to make a profit.
How many crossfit gyms are the former is the question? [/quote]