The Effect of Your Physique on Others

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:
unfortunately, while i always believed that once i got really big, girls would chew off their own to be with me, that simply hasn’t happened. not sure if its the trend nowadays to like the justin beiber type. or the mainstream medias portrayal of bodybuilders or guys who lift as steroid using, female abusing and just one big violent asshole. whatever the reason, girls seem to stare clear of me. they are like water and im oil, we just don’t mix. of course im exaggerating a bit, i have had my share of women, been married for 6 years. but overall its not what I imagined it would be like. i thought id have women on me like Johnny Depp. I just think its the times and the stereo type given to guys who lift seriously. [/quote]

Yeah…the entire population of women is just messed up, that is the logical answer.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]krebcycle wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
unfortunately, while i always believed that once i got really big, girls would chew off their own to be with me, that simply hasn’t happened. not sure if its the trend nowadays to like the justin beiber type. or the mainstream medias portrayal of bodybuilders or guys who lift as steroid using, female abusing and just one big violent asshole. whatever the reason, girls seem to stare clear of me. they are like water and im oil, we just don’t mix. of course im exaggerating a bit, i have had my share of women, been married for 6 years. but overall its not what I imagined it would be like. i thought id have women on me like Johnny Depp. I just think its the times and the stereo type given to guys who lift seriously. [/quote]

Some women prefer bigger guys, some don’t, they are not a homogenous group. Saying that, the most female attention I got was when I was a ripped 200.I wasn’t muscular by any means, but i do have a large frame no matter how low my body fat is. Fast forward a few years and I’m around 250 and not so ripped but a lot more muscular. Female attention is undoubtedly lower even though I am noticeably bigger. Do I mind? Well of course I mind, as female attention is great for the ego, but at the same time I didn’t consciously make a decision to get stronger so that I could get laid more.
When i achieve my strength goals, and diet down to a level that I feel I can maintain with some ease, it will be interesting to see how the level of female attention changes (if indeed it does at all). Either way I won’t lose sleep over it.
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It’s about body shape, not your weight. Dropping weight in the last month has increased the attention I get drastically and it isn’t like I got small.

I will say that very average looking women may be turned off but that is because you make them self conscious about themselves.

Most women are not turning down a guy who is well groomed, carries himself well and has big muscles who also looks good.

It isn’t like they accept ugly just because of your biceps.[/quote]

Yeah, I completely agree with you.
I guess when I was fairly lean I still had broad-ish shoulders, and this coupled with a waist which was slimmer, probably helped to create a the illusion of having a greater v taper, then what I really had. All comes down to shape, rather than weight.

With regards the average looking women thing, I have noticed that as well. They tend to be the ones who ask “why would you want to get big?” with a slight look of distaste on their faces. People like to be around people that make them feel comfortable and someone who makes them feel insecure doesn’t really fit with that.

I will say that even though I’m far from what I would consider big, living in the UK there are not very many people walking around bigger than me so that feeds into peoples perceptions also. If I was in a club full of people that work out I probably wouldn’t stand out at all, but being in you average club/bar on a saturday night, there are not many people who work out so it’s easy for me to be the big guy in the room, and people project onto me all of their positive/negative conceptions of what a big guy is.

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[quote]krebcycle wrote:
With regards the average looking women thing, I have noticed that as well. They tend to be the ones who ask “why would you want to get big?” with a slight look of distaste on their faces. People like to be around people that make them feel comfortable and someone who makes them feel insecure doesn’t really fit with that.[/quote]

Exactly…and that is what many of these guys are missing when these topics come up.

The AVERAGE woman who doesn’t work out and doesn’t watch what she eats other than the usual “fad diet” is going to feel really fucking self conscious around the 250lbs guy with veins down his arms that every other woman keeps looking at.

THAT is why most say “eewwww”, not because women hate big muscles.

The average woman is so self conscious because of her upbringing and societal issues that most of them are mentally fucked when it coems to how they see themselves regardless of what they tell you.

Anyone who makes them feel worse will get an “eewww”…which would be any guy who takes his physique to an extreme that makes them look even worse.

Find a woman who is TRULY well situated as far as self esteem and you don’t see that.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]krebcycle wrote:
With regards the average looking women thing, I have noticed that as well. They tend to be the ones who ask “why would you want to get big?” with a slight look of distaste on their faces. People like to be around people that make them feel comfortable and someone who makes them feel insecure doesn’t really fit with that.[/quote]

Exactly…and that is what many of these guys are missing when these topics come up.

The AVERAGE woman who doesn’t work out and doesn’t watch what she eats other than the usual “fad diet” is going to feel really fucking self conscious around the 250lbs guy with veins down his arms that every other woman keeps looking at.

THAT is why most say “eewwww”, not because women hate big muscles.

The average woman is so self conscious because of her upbringing and societal issues that most of them are mentally fucked when it coems to how they see themselves regardless of what they tell you.

Anyone who makes them feel worse will get an “eewww”…which would be any guy who takes his physique to an extreme that makes them look even worse.

Find a woman who is TRULY well situated as far as self esteem and you don’t see that.[/quote]

I have a few friends that are girls that DEFINITELY aren’t attracted to huge guys. Muscles seriously gross them out beyond a certain point. With that said they are for sure in the minority.

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[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]krebcycle wrote:
With regards the average looking women thing, I have noticed that as well. They tend to be the ones who ask “why would you want to get big?” with a slight look of distaste on their faces. People like to be around people that make them feel comfortable and someone who makes them feel insecure doesn’t really fit with that.[/quote]

Exactly…and that is what many of these guys are missing when these topics come up.

The AVERAGE woman who doesn’t work out and doesn’t watch what she eats other than the usual “fad diet” is going to feel really fucking self conscious around the 250lbs guy with veins down his arms that every other woman keeps looking at.

THAT is why most say “eewwww”, not because women hate big muscles.

The average woman is so self conscious because of her upbringing and societal issues that most of them are mentally fucked when it coems to how they see themselves regardless of what they tell you.

Anyone who makes them feel worse will get an “eewww”…which would be any guy who takes his physique to an extreme that makes them look even worse.

Find a woman who is TRULY well situated as far as self esteem and you don’t see that.[/quote]

I have a few friends that are girls that DEFINITELY aren’t attracted to huge guys. Muscles seriously gross them out beyond a certain point. With that said they are for sure in the minority.
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Oh, I have no doubt they SAY that.

There is a Grand Canyon between what most women say and how they actually act when in those situations beyond being with a group of other people.

I wonder how many times I have heard, “I don’t do things like that”…right before they did?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]krebcycle wrote:
With regards the average looking women thing, I have noticed that as well. They tend to be the ones who ask “why would you want to get big?” with a slight look of distaste on their faces. People like to be around people that make them feel comfortable and someone who makes them feel insecure doesn’t really fit with that.[/quote]

Exactly…and that is what many of these guys are missing when these topics come up.

The AVERAGE woman who doesn’t work out and doesn’t watch what she eats other than the usual “fad diet” is going to feel really fucking self conscious around the 250lbs guy with veins down his arms that every other woman keeps looking at.

THAT is why most say “eewwww”, not because women hate big muscles.

The average woman is so self conscious because of her upbringing and societal issues that most of them are mentally fucked when it coems to how they see themselves regardless of what they tell you.

Anyone who makes them feel worse will get an “eewww”…which would be any guy who takes his physique to an extreme that makes them look even worse.

Find a woman who is TRULY well situated as far as self esteem and you don’t see that.[/quote]

I have a few friends that are girls that DEFINITELY aren’t attracted to huge guys. Muscles seriously gross them out beyond a certain point. With that said they are for sure in the minority.
[/quote]

Oh, I have no doubt they SAY that.

There is a Grand Canyon between what most women say and how they actually act when in those situations beyond being with a group of other people.

I wonder how many times I have heard, “I don’t do things like that”…right before they did?[/quote]

Put it like this, if you put two men in a room together one skinny one built and all other things are equal from looks, to dress sense to personality who do you think woman would really have a preference for?

I would wager that the built guy gets chosen more often then not.

The opinion that people express is often not their true belief, it’s moulded by many different factors such as societal pressure, the preconceived perceptions of others, status, confidence etc.

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I like it when a roomful of guys talk about what women like.
In reality, we all like different attributes in men, because, we are ALL DIFFERENT.
But carry on, it’s always amusing.

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[quote]dianab wrote:
I like it when a roomful of guys talk about what women like.
In reality, we all like different attributes in men, because, we are ALL DIFFERENT.
But carry on, it’s always amusing.[/quote]

Wamt to hear something really funny? I think most women base what they like in men on certain attributes present in their fathers.

You may be laughing, but we wouldn’t be seeing the same actions so much if there wasn’t something ton it.

Most women today give a very generric programmed response to big muscles…that they don’t seem to have when it is one on one.

I find it funny too…

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[quote]dianab wrote:
I like it when a roomful of guys talk about what women like.
In reality, we all like different attributes in men, because, we are ALL DIFFERENT.
But carry on, it’s always amusing.[/quote]

No.

You all want this shit… you either don’t know it yet or are too scared to admit it.

At least, that’s what I tell my dates when they start saying they wanna take things slower. Talk is cheaper than chloroform.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
I like it when a roomful of guys talk about what women like.
In reality, we all like different attributes in men, because, we are ALL DIFFERENT.
But carry on, it’s always amusing.[/quote]

Wamt to hear something really funny? I think most women base what they like in men on certain attributes present in their fathers.

You may be laughing, but we wouldn’t be seeing the same actions so much if there wasn’t something ton it.

Most women today give a very generric programmed response to big muscles…that they don’t seem to have when it is one on one.

I find it funny too…[/quote]

I think you’ll find a lot of women will cater their response to their audience… Like men do…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]krebcycle wrote:
With regards the average looking women thing, I have noticed that as well. They tend to be the ones who ask “why would you want to get big?” with a slight look of distaste on their faces. People like to be around people that make them feel comfortable and someone who makes them feel insecure doesn’t really fit with that.[/quote]

Exactly…and that is what many of these guys are missing when these topics come up.

The AVERAGE woman who doesn’t work out and doesn’t watch what she eats other than the usual “fad diet” is going to feel really fucking self conscious around the 250lbs guy with veins down his arms that every other woman keeps looking at.

THAT is why most say “eewwww”, not because women hate big muscles.

The average woman is so self conscious because of her upbringing and societal issues that most of them are mentally fucked when it coems to how they see themselves regardless of what they tell you.

Anyone who makes them feel worse will get an “eewww”…which would be any guy who takes his physique to an extreme that makes them look even worse.

Find a woman who is TRULY well situated as far as self esteem and you don’t see that.[/quote]

I have a few friends that are girls that DEFINITELY aren’t attracted to huge guys. Muscles seriously gross them out beyond a certain point. With that said they are for sure in the minority.
[/quote]

Oh, I have no doubt they SAY that.

There is a Grand Canyon between what most women say and how they actually act when in those situations beyond being with a group of other people.

I wonder how many times I have heard, “I don’t do things like that”…right before they did?[/quote]

Good point, I can agree with this

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
I like it when a roomful of guys talk about what women like.
In reality, we all like different attributes in men, because, we are ALL DIFFERENT.
But carry on, it’s always amusing.[/quote]

Wamt to hear something really funny? I think most women base what they like in men on certain attributes present in their fathers.

[/quote]

In the book the Third Chimpanzee author Jared Diamond writes (I’m paraphrasing) that the members of the opposite sex you are physically attracted to the most is shaped by the features of the opposite sex you grew up around.

So if your mom, your cousin, your baby sitter all have wide faces, there’s a high probability you will find wide faced women attractive more attractive than others.

I’ve seen this to be true first hand.

I have a 5th generation White Canadian friend who spent the first 13 years of his life in Africa (his parents were missionaries). He only really dated black women and is currently married to a dark skinned woman.

Heck the guy my ex-gf dated before she met me had strikingly similar features to me -lol.

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[quote]krebcycle wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
unfortunately, while i always believed that once i got really big, girls would chew off their own to be with me, that simply hasn’t happened. not sure if its the trend nowadays to like the justin beiber type. or the mainstream medias portrayal of bodybuilders or guys who lift as steroid using, female abusing and just one big violent asshole. whatever the reason, girls seem to stare clear of me. they are like water and im oil, we just don’t mix. of course im exaggerating a bit, i have had my share of women, been married for 6 years. but overall its not what I imagined it would be like. i thought id have women on me like Johnny Depp. I just think its the times and the stereo type given to guys who lift seriously. [/quote]

Some women prefer bigger guys, some don’t, they are not a homogenous group. Saying that, the most female attention I got was when I was a ripped 200.I wasn’t muscular by any means, but i do have a large frame no matter how low my body fat is. Fast forward a few years and I’m around 250 and not so ripped but a lot more muscular. Female attention is undoubtedly lower even though I am noticeably bigger. Do I mind? Well of course I mind, as female attention is great for the ego, but at the same time I didn’t consciously make a decision to get stronger so that I could get laid more.
When i achieve my strength goals, and diet down to a level that I feel I can maintain with some ease, it will be interesting to see how the level of female attention changes (if indeed it does at all). Either way I won’t lose sleep over it.
[/quote]

ok, judging by the comments i used to get while working as a bouncer. its not that these women aren’t attracted to muscle, its they are scared. to make a sort of weird comparison, i love lions, but if i was next to one, id be a tad nervous. i think they are beautiful godlike creatures, but id definately be uneasy next to one, no matter how well trained it was. girls are the same way. while they may find a big jacked guy incredible to look at, they are scared shitless of you. i know this cause of what some of the women said to me while working.

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roguevampire…you hit the nail on the head. I am NOT huge, but some of the guys on my shift are. Thats exactly what I hear from them when we do a choir practice somewhere. Why arent the hotties coming up to us I always ask. They are scared of us… them…not me…:slight_smile: Good point thats all

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
unfortunately, while i always believed that once i got really big, girls would chew off their own to be with me, that simply hasn’t happened. not sure if its the trend nowadays to like the justin beiber type. or the mainstream medias portrayal of bodybuilders or guys who lift as steroid using, female abusing and just one big violent asshole. whatever the reason, girls seem to stare clear of me. they are like water and im oil, we just don’t mix. of course im exaggerating a bit, i have had my share of women, been married for 6 years. but overall its not what I imagined it would be like. i thought id have women on me like Johnny Depp. I just think its the times and the stereo type given to guys who lift seriously. [/quote]

Yeah…the entire population of women is just messed up, that is the logical answer.[/quote]

But, women are subject to the media, are they not??? and the media is what shapes girls attitudes towards just about everything. when a girl sees a big guy and says “oh, hes ugly, he must do steroids” where do you think they got that from. the media, hearing all that shit on the news. athletes and the government making such a huge deal over what someone puts in their own bodies. There is just no way on earth, any woman in her right mind, can not be attacted to a big strong muscular man. just no way. its biology. women are attracted to the physically strong. its in thier genes to further the human race and to keep it going.

But if something interferes with that biology, like main stream media brainwashing, thats when you have women saying “ewww, hes to big, gross”

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[quote]dianab wrote:
I like it when a roomful of guys talk about what women like.
In reality, we all like different attributes in men, because, we are ALL DIFFERENT.
But carry on, it’s always amusing.[/quote]

actually my dear, men know more about women than women do. why is that you may ask. cause we are the ones who deal with them. not you. we date them. we marry them. so we know better than anyone what a woman says and what she really believes can be 2 totally different things.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
unfortunately, while i always believed that once i got really big, girls would chew off their own to be with me, that simply hasn’t happened. not sure if its the trend nowadays to like the justin beiber type. or the mainstream medias portrayal of bodybuilders or guys who lift as steroid using, female abusing and just one big violent asshole. whatever the reason, girls seem to stare clear of me. they are like water and im oil, we just don’t mix. of course im exaggerating a bit, i have had my share of women, been married for 6 years. but overall its not what I imagined it would be like. i thought id have women on me like Johnny Depp. I just think its the times and the stereo type given to guys who lift seriously. [/quote]

Yeah…the entire population of women is just messed up, that is the logical answer.[/quote]

But, women are subject to the media, are they not??? and the media is what shapes girls attitudes towards just about everything. when a girl sees a big guy and says “oh, hes ugly, he must do steroids” where do you think they got that from. the media, hearing all that shit on the news. athletes and the government making such a huge deal over what someone puts in their own bodies. There is just no way on earth, any woman in her right mind, can not be attacted to a big strong muscular man. just no way. its biology. women are attracted to the physically strong. its in thier genes to further the human race and to keep it going.

But if something interferes with that biology, like main stream media brainwashing, thats when you have women saying “ewww, hes to big, gross”[/quote]

Just gonna throw this out there as an extremely distinct alternative to this “theory”…

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
I like it when a roomful of guys talk about what women like.
In reality, we all like different attributes in men, because, we are ALL DIFFERENT.
But carry on, it’s always amusing.[/quote]

actually my dear, men know more about women than women do. why is that you may ask. cause we are the ones who deal with them. not you. we date them. we marry them. so we know better than anyone what a woman says and what she really believes can be 2 totally different things. [/quote]

LMAO if that was true why are there so many discussions about what the hell women want, my dear?

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[quote]dianab wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
I like it when a roomful of guys talk about what women like.
In reality, we all like different attributes in men, because, we are ALL DIFFERENT.
But carry on, it’s always amusing.[/quote]

actually my dear, men know more about women than women do. why is that you may ask. cause we are the ones who deal with them. not you. we date them. we marry them. so we know better than anyone what a woman says and what she really believes can be 2 totally different things. [/quote]

LMAO if that was true why are there so many discussions about what the hell women want, my dear?
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Those discussions are started by inexperienced teenagers that’s why.

If you have any experience dealing with women you know women have little idea of what they actually want.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
I like it when a roomful of guys talk about what women like.
In reality, we all like different attributes in men, because, we are ALL DIFFERENT.
But carry on, it’s always amusing.[/quote]

Wamt to hear something really funny? I think most women base what they like in men on certain attributes present in their fathers.

You may be laughing, but we wouldn’t be seeing the same actions so much if there wasn’t something ton it.

Most women today give a very generric programmed response to big muscles…that they don’t seem to have when it is one on one.

I find it funny too…[/quote]

I’ve heard what attracts an individual the most are the “negative” traits of the opposite sex parent. So if your Mom was a raging nag, you may unintentionally seek that out in a mate.
Fucked up huh?