[quote]FattyFat wrote:
Isn’t ‘skinhead’ also an umbrella term, comprising both bald guys with political idelogies (leftist/rightist) and without?
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yes. the left ones call themself redskins.
Great thread for the most part. Just one comment… Brick, Steely, and others, I understand why you are doing it, but man, those sarcastic comments are getting old (itz all da roidz! etc.) I know you guys are just trying to get this place back on track and get rid of the “nonsense” but those comments are popping up in every damn thread it seems and it really detracts from some otherwise good threads.
Carry on…
Dorian Yates Speaks — Right here on T-Nation!
Dorian Yates interview:
Testosterone: The perception in the bodybuilding public is that you worked harder than anybody else in the world. In this whole equation, what role do anabolics play? It’s a level playing field in the sense that everyone uses whatever they want to use, but for you, what was the most important part of this equation?
Dorian: Like you said, it’s an even playing field as far as drugs go. All the guys pretty much have access to the same thing. So how do you separate first place from tenth place? Is it only hard work? Do the judges know if someone else worked as hard as I did? In addition to hard work, there’s meticulous planning, working hard all year round, and eating correctly all year round so you get maximum results. It’s making sure you get your rest.
For me, it was almost an obsession every day. I was doing whatever I could to optimize my training all year round. I wasn’t taking two or three months off after the Mr. Olympia like some of the guys were. I wasn’t eating at McDonald’s in the off season, then twelve weeks before a contest deciding “Now I’m going to start eating properly.” A lot of the guys I was competing against, that’s what they were doing. The reason I was able to beat them was that work ethic and the dedication to training all year round, which wasn’t really a problem for me because I love to train. That was the difference.
Sure, there are people I’ve beaten, that if I could get my head inside their body, it’d be scary. But fortunately they didn’t have the mentality to do it.
[quote]schanz_05 wrote:
Great thread for the most part. Just one comment… Brick, Steely, and others, I understand why you are doing it, but man, those sarcastic comments are getting old (itz all da roidz! etc.) I know you guys are just trying to get this place back on track and get rid of the “nonsense” but those comments are popping up in every damn thread it seems and it really detracts from some otherwise good threads.
Carry on…[/quote]
Fair enough. For forgiveness, I offer you some “calf advice” from D.Y. (exerpt from his website forum):
Calf Training by Dorian Yates
Dorian Yates
Q My calves are my weakest bodypart. What can I do about it?
A Even more than with most other bodyparts, you’re at the mercy of your genetics when it comes to developing calves. I was blessed with good calves–genetically, they are probably my best bodypart. You say yours are your weakest bodypart; how I train mine is not necessarily how you should train yours. I’ll explain my calf workout, and then I’ll give you the adjustments you should make to get the most out of your own genetic makeup.
I perform only four total sets for calves: two sets of seated calf raises and two sets of standing calf raises. The first set of each exercise is a warm-up with about half the weight I use for each of my working sets. I don’t worry about reps during my warm-ups–sometimes I do only about eight; other times, I do as many as 15. The purpose of the warm-up is to pump blood into the calves, not to complete a predetermined number of reps. I perform one working set of eight to 10 reps for each exercise. I work with full intensity, taking my calves to failure during each of these sets, moving through a full range of motion–going way down at the bottom and getting a full stretch at the top.
I train my calves after legs, because I have never needed to prioritize them. To prioritize your calves, train them before you use them as a secondary muscle group. Exercises such as squats and leg presses require you to use your calves, so they undercut your ability to work them with maximal intensity afterward.
Most people will see better results if they do two or three working sets for each calf exercise. It took me years to learn how to work with ultimate intensity for only one set. And, since you’re training calves first instead of last, you should also do two warm-up sets for the first exercise. As for rep range, I am a firm believer that calves should be trained like every other muscle group. Rather than training calves more than once a week in a high-rep scheme, I recommend that you perform only eight to 10 reps per set and train them only once a week.
DORIAN YATES’ SUGGESTED WORKOUT FOR WEAK CALVES
EXERCISE WARM-UP SETS REPS WORKING SETS REPS
Standing calf raises 2 8-15 3 8-10
Seated calf raises 1 8-15 2 8-10
NOTE: Train calves once a week before you train the rest of your legs.
By Dorian Yates
SIX-TIME MR. OLYMPIA
This is not my words, but i thought it is relative to The Shadow Dorian Yates.
[quote]Soâ?¦ You wanta be a FREAK? Good read. Long yet worth it!!!
This is a reprinting from a friend of mine that won the Emerald Cup. One of the best things Iâ??ve read bout bbing and competing.
How many times have you neared fainting, and asked yourself, â?? why am I doing this? â?? Or, â?? what is it that drives me to push myself to limits Iâ??ve never known before? â?? The answer is inherently the same for all bodybuilders. I say inherently because you must be born with the will power to succeed in this sport, and quite frankly, not many have this extreme gift, or curse if you will. It is a curse that cryâ??s out in the middle of the night, and consumes your thoughts on a day to day basis. You have the innate desire to become freaky. The question is, do you have the will to become freaky? We shall see!
Today Iâ??d like to analyze some of the greats in this sport and see what they had in common. What is it that they did, that made them so successful in achieving this much sought after goal? We will begin with a hypothesis, and see how it pans out. You see, I believe that in order to be freaky, you will have to do freaky things, and if you want to be insanely freaky, you will have to do insanely freaky things!
Arnold Vs. Dorian
Absolute giants; two monsters who dominated two generations. What did they have in common? They were both insanely freaky! I am not going to stand here and say whoâ??s physique was better, because they developed different sculptures. Some of you may prefer one over the other, but I would be hard pressed to judge between the two.
Aside from them both having incredible physiques, they also have this in common: In order to gain freaky mass, they trained and ate equally as freaky as each other. I believe that Dorianâ??s training style however is the most misinterpreted on the planet earth. Or any Hit variation for that matter. Where as Arnoldâ??s is easily interpreted. Let me qualify that statement. Today we have a generation of athletes who brag about only doing 1-3 sets total for their arms, feeling that they are following Dorian Yateâ??s, or Mike Mentzerâ??s training style, when this couldnâ??t be further from the truth!
It is rare when you actually run into a bodybuilder who truly implements the freaky principles that Dorian used. Rather they trace the dotted line, or follow what looks like his pattern if you will.
You have to understand something. Dorian Yates did not retire because he was tired of competing, he retired because his body basically snapped! Why? Because he trained so intensely, so insanely, and so hardcore that he could only continue for so long. This absolute monster fell on a very bleak day in the world of bodybuilding, while performing pullover presses! Giving it all he had, his left triceps muscle just snapped three fourths off of the attachment site. The kind of snap that you could hear round the entire gym floor! Dorian knew he was pushing his body to the limit, but he also knew that this is what he had to do to attain his ultimate physique! Incredibly enough, the reigning Mr. Olympia kept the injury to himself and still competed. By the time he entered the show all he could train was his legs. He then retired after having surgery on his arm. And if you looked at Dorian before his last show, he had more braces on his body to hold it together from his style of training than Patrick Ewing!
How a human being could endure the pain he placed himself through is astonishing to say the least. For example, in 1994 he damaged his left rotator cuff, further in the year he tore his left quadriceps and then nine weeks before the O he tore his left biceps muscle! After all that he still competed!
The man was an absolute animal! This is how he trained, this is how he thought, and that is what created one of the greatest physiques of all time! Unfortunately many an athlete feel that doing a few sets every workout as he prescribed is going to get them a freaky big body. No, this is far from the truth. What will get you a freaky body, is to mimic Dorianâ??s unmatchable intensity! An ability to go inside yourself and conquer a workout in the same time frame as Dorian did, will take nothing short of pure blood and guts on your part. You will literally have to leave a piece of yourself at the gym every time you train!
Dr. Fred Hatfield commented best on HIT style training when he compared it to contest performance. I remember him stating that when Hit was performed right, it could take a person weeks to recover from it. Just think about it. If youâ??ve ever competed in a tournament, or a power lifting event. Everything you are, and everything youâ??ve trained for comes down to a few short moments, in which you must pore out your very being into the actions you take. This can drain you mentally, physically, as well as emotionally. A true Dorian style workout, will give you butterflies in anticipation of the training session, in which you will place your body underneath relentless agony! Indeed, there are few who can carry such a workout, out correctly.
As for Arnold Schwarzenegger, everyone knows how legendary his routines were. Most people do not even attempt to try them out. Labeling them as too high in volume, or too unorthodox! Phrases such as, 20 sets for biceps, thatâ??s stupid, ring throughout many an ear these days. However, I still maintain that Arnold did what it took to develop a freaky body. His physique reflected his training style, just as your body is reflected in a mirror. Therefore, the question is not whoâ??s training style was more sane for todayâ??s standards. But rather, whoâ??s training style was more insane! I firmly believe that an awe inspiring physique will always follow an insane approach to lifting. Dorian illustrated this, as well as Arnold. Not to say, that you should not stay within the realm of science, only that you realize that the science of this sport is an extreme one![/quote]
[quote]bonerjams98 wrote:
I like the p90x add at the bottom of the first video [/quote]
There’s a guy I work with who is “hardcore” P90x. We rode from the airport together and talked about training. I’ll give it to him, the guy is disciplined, but he was back on the program because he slacked off and got a little chubby…keep in mind we are both 5’10…I’m 195 and he “ballooned up” to 158!!! I just laughed and told him I would probably have to take my life if was that Manarexic!
Watching these videos of Yates make me want to eat everything in sight and try to drag my gym a little further down the street each day!!
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
Dorian Yates arm workout from M&F March 93"( I have the mag in front of me) Ghost writer?, who knows, take this with a grain of salt I guess.
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One arm concentration curl…2-3 sets, 6-10 reps(warm-up)…1 set(heavy) 6-10 reps
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One-arm dumbbell preacher curl…1 set, 6-10 reps.
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Barbell curl…1 set, 6-10 reps. E-Z or straight bar.
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Alternating dumbell curl…1 set, 6-10 reps.
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One-arm hammer curl…1 set, 6-10 reps.
Weider Principles:
Decending sets, overload principle, forced reps(not often), peak contraction.
Always keeps a training journal and food log…always.
Weight @ Mr.O, 242 lbs.350 grams of protein a day, 450-550 grams of carbs a day. He stated that you don’t have to go overboard on supps in order to get good results…keep it basic and simple.
At the time of printing he was at Temple gym.
Going through these old mags is hilarious. Holy fucking pastel colors Batman!.
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That IS ghost-written. He never did more than three exercises for his biceps. In his first and second routines, he performed 2 exercises. In his last routine, he performed 3 exercises - EZ-bar curl, seated incline curls, and machine concentration curls.
Interview with Yates (talks about injury, comeback/training philosophy, filming B&G, the sport, etc):
[quote]schanz_05 wrote:
Great thread for the most part. Just one comment… Brick, Steely, and others, I understand why you are doing it, but man, those sarcastic comments are getting old (itz all da roidz! etc.) I know you guys are just trying to get this place back on track and get rid of the “nonsense” but those comments are popping up in every damn thread it seems and it really detracts from some otherwise good threads.
Carry on…[/quote]
Dude, I can’t help myself. How could one not become insane after reading forums that have gone haywire for a decade?
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
He got dis all wrong. Ya spozed ta eat da whole egg fa nawmal tetostrone production. Even Pavel and Charles Poliquin said dat egg witez iz fa wimps!
Twoo stowy: CP, Pavel, & SA told Dowian dat he’z just a big wimp, won da Olympia by chance, and twained his back da wrong way!
Steely: Dorwian wuz weighin at tree billz in da flick![/quote]
Detecting a bit o’ dat dere Noo Yawk Accent big man -lol.
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Sup dude! Killa Hillz aka Flava Hillz aka Forest Hills in da house! 1,000+ calorie-meals at Tick-Tock Diner, Johnny Rockets, Mardi Gras on Austin Street! Wut up, wut up?
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Sup dude! Killa Hillz aka Flava Hillz aka Forest Hills in da house! 1,000+ calorie-meals at Tick-Tock Diner, Johnny Rockets, Mardi Gras on Austin Street! Wut up, wut up? [/quote]
Lol, you hit the Cheeburger-Cheeburger yet?! They have a 20 oz burger (ate one with fries, 'rings, a milkshake, and then a choc/PB sundae after my last show! -lol)
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I love Cheeburger Cheeburger! It’s good for cheat meals and healthy meals. You can order a salad with chicken and a shitload of different veggies and beans.
You did the 20 ouncer? I could do that if I didn’t have all that other stuff with it. But you were probably starvated after the show.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I love Cheeburger Cheeburger! It’s good for cheat meals and healthy meals. You can order a salad with chicken and a shitload of different veggies and beans.
You did the 20 ouncer? I could do that if I didn’t have all that other stuff with it. But you were probably starvated after the show. [/quote]
He probably also put on 20lbs in two weeks.
The biggest rebound I’ve personally witnessed is a guy who competed at about 220lbs yet was walking around at 260lbs a little over two weeks later from pigging out and still lifting.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I love Cheeburger Cheeburger! It’s good for cheat meals and healthy meals. You can order a salad with chicken and a shitload of different veggies and beans.
You did the 20 ouncer? I could do that if I didn’t have all that other stuff with it. But you were probably starvated after the show. [/quote]
He probably also put on 20lbs in two weeks.
The biggest rebound I’ve personally witnessed is a guy who competed at about 220lbs yet was walking around at 260lbs a little over two weeks later from pigging out and still lifting.
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I’ve heard of big rebounds, but that’s crazy!
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I love Cheeburger Cheeburger! It’s good for cheat meals and healthy meals. You can order a salad with chicken and a shitload of different veggies and beans.
You did the 20 ouncer? I could do that if I didn’t have all that other stuff with it. But you were probably starvated after the show. [/quote]
He probably also put on 20lbs in two weeks.
The biggest rebound I’ve personally witnessed is a guy who competed at about 220lbs yet was walking around at 260lbs a little over two weeks later from pigging out and still lifting.
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I’ve heard of big rebounds, but that’s crazy! [/quote]
He looked like someone ate the old him. I have no clue how much was fluid retention, but the muscular size gain should have been video taped and then used by supplement companies to fool newbs.
I used to watch my brother deplete for wrestling matches. He’d make weight in the morning, then hit the mat at about 10 lbs more -lol.
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have no clue how much was fluid retention, but the muscular size gain should have been video taped and then used by supplement companies to fool newbs.[/quote]
You’re fuckin’ hysterical!
Dorian has always been my fave.
…dude is just beastly!!!
Here’s a pic of him and I think Gustavo Badell.
Great video SteelyD, have not previously seen that one.
Seize- Are you serious? How can those two dudes be serious bodybuilders? I mean, in that pic, they’re both smooth and you can’t see every detail of their abs. You can’t even see striations on their quads.
Crazy how people can just let themselves go like that.