If you find out and it’s a number that gives you pause, you’ll look for signs that support your apprehension. If her promiscuity is the result of something that is indeed going to manifest in ways that will make the relationship fail, then those signs will be there.
I don’t think promiscuity in itself is bad or harmful but the reasons for it point to other issues. It’s a symptom that will only compound existing issues. I don’t think people who have their shit together do things just because it’s fun or feels good. They expect to get more out of their actions and efforts.
Ironically, I think this is the kind of thinking that’s being sold to the so called incel crowd. Who cares about love when your destiny as a man is to conquer and dominate.
I really want to try and write my own model but I don’t have the maths skills and my friend (that one) is too busy for something like this…
Regarding the “number of partners” thing
The discussion of reputation among friends reminded me of this paper. Do women need to explore less because their friends have “tested” out the partners (the “pre- experimentation” point I think @BrickHead mentioned) http://www.econ.ucla.edu/mtv/networks.pdf
Interesting. I can see where application would apply in a culture that values dowry, or in a royal setting where power and wealth are accumulated. I see marriage in this scenario as a religious cover for a familial based business contract, however, likely skirting laws and fees associated with combining financial entities otherwise.
In its raw application, I see marriage as a union out of love, and the contract element serves to protect parties assets should a breach (infidelity as an example) occur.
I think a marriage without love would sort of be like visiting the Disney Land ride for marriage, if one existed. You could experience some of the elements as they are engineered in to the ride, but ultimately it’s superfluous.
I do think you can have relationships without love, and those relationships can have overlapping qualities with a marriage, but they are two different things.
I don’t think it is fair comparing how appealing each sex is as they age, then using a man that takes care of himself to a woman who does not as examples.
I am just commenting, because I’ve noticed in the manosphere, this is a common trope. Women hit the wall, men age like wine, women like milk are common things I’ve heard. In my experience out in the real word, couples are fairly equivalently attractive even as they age. The guys that take care of themselves are almost always with women who do the same, and vice versa. Men aging like wine is basically almost always BS too. It applies to a few men, not the majority. If you get fat, or go bald (unless you have very good features to start with), you are out of that group. If you are short (by this I mean that in a group it is obvious you are short), you will never be seen as attractive by most women when young or old (which sucks, but it is what it is). There are also examples of women who have aged really well (see Marisa Tomei).
I generally agree that generalizations are hard to work with, but overall I see men having an ability to maintain and even increase attractiveness as they age over women. Especially as men tend to be more visual than women. Once women start aging they can skillfully paint faces on, wear spanks and supportive bras but they’re definitely in decline with some genetic exceptions.
I did specify taking care of themselves, living well et cetera. This isn’t a component I’m ignoring. Balding seems to be a preferential thing. A guy in shape with a buzzed head won’t have a problem pulling women. A fat dude with an under confident combover will. And these are most of the podcast dipshits anyways.
Beyond physicality, an ability to provide and to create a sense of confidence is something that tends to increase as well, and is probably more important. This won’t be reciprocated, generally speaking.
I don’t think it matters, however. I disagree with a renewable subscription marriage model. If you’re not going to commit, don’t marry.
Some women still look good at 40 or even 50. But those women almost universally looked better at 20. They didn’t get better with age. They just managed to maintain a high level of attractiveness as they aged. Marisa Tomei looks good at 60. She doesn’t look better than she did at 20.
There may be some exceptions where if a girl was fat and 20 and lost weight she’s better looking at 30, but that’s just because she was fat.
It’s the same situation where a man might get fat and be unattractive at 40. But if he stayed in shape and took care of himself, he would probably be as attractive or more attractive at 40 than he was at 20.
I agree with that. Women’s beauty standard is more tied to youth than for men.
I’d argue the same goes for guys like Brad Pitt. He looks good, but he did look better at 20-30 than at 60 (and he looks great at 60).
This is true, but applies to very few men in the real world. My issue is that in manosphere circles, it is passed off like this is on average what happens. That past 30, women go to shit, and men get better looking. Very few men even past 30 are in even decent shape, fewer are in good shape. What percent of US men past 30 have visible abs? It is like finding a unicorn haha.
I also think that the men that typically look good in their later years were the good looking ones when younger (not all, like you said, could have been fat at 20, but fit at 40), and not all the good looking younger men turn out to be good looking when older (gain weight, lose hair…).
Definitely a case of multiple things being true at once. Most men don’t stay in good enough shape to really be more attractive at 40 then they were at 20.
Brad Pitt may be falling off at 60, but he was probably better at 40 than 20. Women have a consistent decline that starts by 25 if not earlier (Marisa Tomei included, I’d say).
But you’re right that it’s not exactly important since individual situations are what matters to each person and not the statistics. That said, I think it can be a good message for middle aged men if it motivates them to get in shape and stay there.
I would suggest that any girl nagging you is giving you a shit test, and if you respond correctly - she would, in fact, be attracted to you.
It shouldn’t be viewed as a negative thing, it should be viewes as flirting. She’s just checking to see if you’re as attractive as she thinks you are. She wants to know that she cant push you around (mentally or physically); if she can push you around - so can anyone else.
Agree and Amplify/Amused Mastery
Pressure Flip
Ignoring it
All work, in the right scenario. Every woman will do this. In no circumstances, ever, should you tolerate disrespect from a woman.
This is fine, but i do think there’s a difference with men and women regarding disrespect.
When a woman is being disrespectful to her partner, it is likely that she will leave him. Particularly if he tolerates it.
When a man is being disrespectful to his partner, it doesn’t mean that either will leave. Men who are disrespectful towards women often have better luck with women, too. At least as far as sexual access is concerned.
Disrespectful shouldn’t be tolerated on either side, but i believe it to be indicative of a woman about to leave a man when she’s disrespecting him.
