This was definitely true in undergrad. My social life revolved around a club where I was one of three women, the other two are my “team” and they joined because I dragged them in.
This was always the case even in middle in high school when I had a more gender balanced “social” circle.
For grad school, I’m not in econ. My cohortmates are all women, but I’m having a hard time bonding with all but 1 of them (she sees me like a little sister more than a friend). My other friends are men from operations research and accounting.
Let me think, I have to hear about all of her boring girl problems and pretend I care, and my reward afterwards is sex? God help me if I were ever that desperate.
That’s because women aren’t supposed to have friends; they are supposed to be mothers and wives. When I say supposed, I’m not saying this is how it should be but that historically, this is how it has been. Men have known and learned the value of teamwork for several thousand years.
To continue with this, I vividly remember in my teens while taking a stroll around my old town, my fellow womanless close friend (still my close friend to this day) sarcastically asking, “Do you ever wish you were a loser so you can get girls?” Obviously I knew what he meant. This man went on to have no problem attracting women in his early twenties considering he is tall and handsome, is an actual nice guy, and is now married with children. But the drift of my previous post still stands.
Similarly, around the same time I remember my psychologist, who in these days would be considered “red pilled,” rare amongst therapists these days, said, “They likely see you as ordinary.” He wasn’t one to pull punches.
Certainly there is not just one factor that is at play in eroding America’s middle class. Of course it is not just feminism, though as I previously wrote, “feminism hollows out the center.”
Yes, it is a broken system, and feminism is not solely to blame for America’s decline, though it is one factor. And after observing the world, reflecting on my own life experience, and educating myself on feminism and Sexual Revolution, of which feminists are the chief enforcers, I have concluded that feminism is one of the most destructive things to hit the West. It’s another strain of leftism that makes society confusing, messy, and alienating and stirs up deep resentment and envy in the population. As the subtitle of one of the books I recommend goes, it’s a revolt against civilization.
It’s one of those things that upon just hearing the term, one might think, “Hmm, feminism. I get it. Femin-, like women, girls. And -ism. Yeah, cool bro, a movement on behalf of women. Sounds good! Women shouldn’t be mistreated or treated as lesser than.” That’s pretty much exactly what I thought of it when I first heard the term when I was young.
Then, after taking taking a deep dive into the subject, a man might realize, “Oh… uh… OK. That’s not what it’s about,” and the effects on society it has had. I myself am someone who is willing to hear the other side out, even if that side appears hostile, to actually see if its concern is reasonable and if it’s acting in good faith. That went for feminism. But after reading some feminist’s bizarre, spite- and envy-laden, and destructive ramblings, I concluded, “These people are nuts!”
Certainly, as I have before, I can go on and on. But I am saving my mental energy and want to put my thoughts on this subject on other platforms when hopefully I can possibly figure out a way to manage my time to do so.
It appears we share some of the same values and ways of life. I enjoy our conversations despite our differences. Sorry for the late response.
Feminists want freedom while wanting men to shoulder responsibility. This is why women have no problem with saying that men, and usually it’s qualified with white, heterosexual, Christian, etc., are to blame for all of the world’s issues, past and present, as if they have been passengers for the past 10,000 years or haven’t gotten any benefits.
If you say that there is an issue and women are responsible for it, you are a misogynist, incel creep. Schools are run by women guided by feminist ideology. The Democratic party is, IMO, run by women guided by feminist ideology. But we can’t hold women accountable for the disasters that occur on their watch.
Is it any wonder young men are confused and awkward, scared even, after having been told they are literally Hitler? If they approach a woman they don’t simply face rejection, which they haven’t been taught to deal with, but being called a creep or a literal rapist. Has a man ever rejected a woman’s advances by making her feel like a degenerate pervert?
I keep reading this stuff…… on the internet. I also usually see supporting info on the internet, typically a viral video snippet intentionally chosen for salaciousness so it will go viral.
While I’ve encountered a handful of green haired, obese, angry women with unshaven armpits who espouse the sentiments you are mentioning, they are definitely the tail and not the dog.
Maybe it’s a generational thing. I gather you’re older than me and may have been in the professional world when women legitimately were finding footing in careers outside of teaching/nursing/secretarial work et cetera, and saw some resentment manifest.
It’s been a long time. Aside from special interest groups, most women I know (usually aged from mid thirties to mid forties) just want the ability to be self-sufficient with a fair shot at a career path of their choice, and to have the ability to choose their own timelines for things like marriage, family et cetera. I don’t see how this is threatening.
Using my daughter as an example again, I don’t want her to feel like she has to chase a marriage in college, settle down as a breeding bucket and hope she chose the right man to provide for her forever. And if a man does try to treat her like a domestic slave, we are going to have some issues. Instead, I want her to know that she can pursue her own passions, take care of herself and be in a position to pick a man, the right man, to fulfill a domestic role with her as they live their lives together.
Nobody wants to be a passenger for 10,000 years with a “thank you master” attitude for an occasional new dress or necklace thrown their way. I would suggest there is a lot to unpack in people who hold this view. Likely a deeply rooted sense of insecurity manifesting as a need to control in general, feel powerful in a small corner of the world and shelter a possessed woman away from threats of superior men.
If one feels threatened by a woman who can and will support herself and be in a position of choice in life, maybe the imbalance isn’t in the woman but in weak men manipulating a system to keep breeding when their genes should be selected out of the pool instead. Just like the green haired, unshaven and likely low IQ fatties pushing for “equity” assistance instead of earning their keep. Swept to the side and a loud but fringe contingent who really doesn’t mean much in application if you look at the real world vs viral internet shit.
Leave the strong, attractive and capable women to the men who can handle them.
I have a daughter and have the same sentiments, even though I’m opposed to feminism. It seems as if there’s an assumption that men opposed to feminism want women subjugated, though I don’t know if that’s your take.
I’ve also noticed this is the sort of women first referred to in discussion of feminism even though most ideological feminists don’t look like this, nor do incidental feminists.
I was in a teaching program not that long ago. In one class we had to write a list of our privileges. CRT was taught. The readings we were assigned were written by CRT advocates. As a teacher, I saw what was being taught. In a history class students were taught that the Aztecs were peaceful farmers while the Spanish were greedy colonizers looking for gold.
One time in class, we watched a documentary filmed at a high school. At one point we were shown wrestling practice. The coach referred to a kid as cupcake. The professor commented that that was homophobic. I asked why and she said cupcake could be interpreted as a pejorative term for gay. I said it didn’t mean that and when she asked what it meant, I told her it meant stop being a pussy. She replied that that wasn’t right either and I said, “it’s wrestling.”
I agree with this definition in that I think women should have equal rights to men.
But, I hesitate now (I’ve said so in the past) to say I am a feminist, because the word doesn’t mean the same thing to everyone (even though I’d meet the definition in the dictionary). For some, it seems they think feminism means things like promoting female supremacy, disliking men (especially if straight), taking the positives positives and leaving the negatives (which isn’t equal)… Basically aligning with woke ideals, which I tend to disagree with because they go past equality in effort to even things out (by discriminating against others). That is where I draw the line. We shouldn’t be using discrimination based on sex, race, etc. to try to make outcomes the same.
I tend to think the definition I use (dictionary) for feminism is the not what the majority would define it as.
Ha, you and I had similar thoughts. I didn’t see your reply until after I made my post.
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I’m opposed to second wave, represented by Andrea Dworkin, Simone de Beauvoir, Shulamith Firestone, Erica Jong, and Susan Browiller who left their imprint on all successive waves. So I’m opposed to 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.
