agh, i was just providing an either/or from my opinion, you know. eg if i only have 15mins in the gym, i squat.
lol at tom platz legs and scrawny upper
bizzaro world
Voodoo 2 wrote:
Thanks to Double Duce for the leg press/squat comparison.
X2
I wish there was a white board in my gym so I could school the folks who are banging out 500 for 6 on the sled and beating their chests. Ah well.
As for the chicken leg dilemma. It’s rampant. No getting around it. In my mind every dude who is wearing running pants or sweats in the gym is hiding their legs. I know that’s wrong, but that’s where my mind goes.
I find myself getting hyper-critical of those kinds of people, then I catch myself a mutter “play your own game” or some other nonsense. Whoever said that hating on other gym goers is counterproductive, you’re right.
As for what chicks dig? Chicks dig legs. Nuff said.
[quote]jaybvee wrote:
Squats (or should I say the 2-3 days of recovery after squats or general leg work) HURT, even when done properly.
That’s why a lot of guys shy away from them to stick with the more mirror friendly self affirming easier to gauge development beach muscles such as the chest/back & arms.
Some guys don’t even care about full or lower body development, to each their own.
Then you have the group of hardcore lifters that are impeded by genetics but jump out of the gym, spike a volleyball on a 2nd floor ledge, squat and calf raise 600 lbs, BUT still have sticks for lower limbs despite their efforts.
I’m not even sure if women check out a guys’ legs. If that were so all guys would be squatting tons LOL
All I know is that any given day at the gyms I go to the squat rack is always free for me - unless some beast is doing curls in it 
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WTF? Show me these people who can properly squat parallel 600 lbs with stick like legs and calve raise strict 600 lbs on the machine. I have yet to see one or talk to someone in person. No not the internet in real life.
I don’t know where people come up with this info or where they get it. Just isn’t making sense. If you can squat 600 lbs you should be able to do 450-500 lbs for lots of reps and have huge fucking legs.
Also for calves I got a real bad high insertion point. I mean my ankles are thin as fuck going up quite a ways. I literally had to torture them with volume routines and dc methods just to get (which is working 4 me right now) them to reach average size. I’m hoping I can add another couple inches in the long run. Yet I know I have to add an enormous amount of mass to help.
I always aim to make my leg workout the first after my day off.
- You get it out of the way early.
- Working legs creates natural HGH and testosterone!
In highschool I neglected my legs at the cost of my push and pull, they were certainly limited because of it. A powerful squat will aid your bench and all your lifts.
On another note, my calfs are aweful. I train them three times a week or more, I feel they get more defined and seldomly gain any size. Any suggestions?
Wait a minute. You can grow upper body muscles without doing squats? Next, you will tell me I can add size to my arms by doing curls, skull-crushers and stuff. The one thing I do know is that none of you will say you can grow muscles by working a muscle group hard once a week.
Sorry for my hi-jack. I’m a frustrated “starting strength” guy, who eats about 4500 cals a day.
If I “were” to start training the way guys who look like they lift weights train, I would def. work my legs.
Sorry Mr. Ripptoe
[quote]Carlitosway wrote:
WTF? Show me these people who can properly squat parallel 600 lbs with stick like legs and calve raise strict 600 lbs on the machine. I have yet to see one or talk to someone in person. No not the internet in real life.
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Okay maybe not 600lbs squat, but if you saw this fella on the street you wouldn’t think he lifted, let alone have a 450 lb clean and jerk with a 380 lb snatch
Taner Sagir, 2004 Athens winner.
[quote]Carlitosway wrote:
jaybvee wrote:
Then you have the group of hardcore lifters that are impeded by genetics but jump out of the gym, spike a volleyball on a 2nd floor ledge, squat and calf raise 600 lbs, BUT still have sticks for lower limbs despite their efforts.
WTF? Show me these people who can properly squat parallel 600 lbs with stick like legs and calve raise strict 600 lbs on the machine. I have yet to see one or talk to someone in person. No not the internet in real life.
I don’t know where people come up with this info or where they get it. Just isn’t making sense. If you can squat 600 lbs you should be able to do 450-500 lbs for lots of reps and have huge fucking legs. [/quote]
I think you read the statement as “jump out of the gym, spike a volleyball on a 2nd floor ledge, squat and calf raise 600 lbs [for each of these two exercises],”
when the meaning was that they jump, spike, squat… and do calf raises with 600 lb. Presumably on some sort of equipment.
IMO there should have been a comma between the “squat” and the “and” but I actually had an editor tell me a while back that that was old-fashioned, that now it is correct for the next-to-last of a series to have no comma between it and the following “and.” Dunno: myself, I prefer the comma.
[quote]Invictica wrote:
Carlitosway wrote:
WTF? Show me these people who can properly squat parallel 600 lbs with stick like legs and calve raise strict 600 lbs on the machine. I have yet to see one or talk to someone in person. No not the internet in real life.
Okay maybe not 600lbs squat, but if you saw this fella on the street you wouldn’t think he lifted, let alone have a 450 lb clean and jerk with a 380 lb snatch
Taner Sagir, 2004 Athens winner.
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Yet If I saw him in the gym wearing shorts, 'd probably notice his big thick quads/teardrops developed from heavy front squats and bottom position of cleans, snatches.
Yeah in the street he’d look normal though lol.
Oh and someone who can squat a proper 300 still wouldn’t have stick legs, decent size but not sticks.
[quote]dcamnc wrote:
Well, to the guys wondering about skinny dudes moving big weight, some very skinny olympic lifters and powerlifters are quite strong. Max strength is more a neural function than muscular. This dude is 129 lbs, and is squatting 418x2 going low.
I’m not even strong, but I outlift two of my buddies/coworkers who outweigh me by a hunderd lbs or more. They do more bodybuilding type workouts. They just never try singles or doubles, so they’re not too good at max stuff. It’s all in what you practice.[/quote]
His legs are above average and probably more developed then probably 70% of gym goers.
[quote]roybot wrote:
I don’t really look at people in the gym and imagine their heads as roast chickens…It was meant to be a reference to ‘chicken legs’ and your comment about being hungry. Ah, never mind…
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Suuuuuuuuuure you don’t 
Your that guy in the gym who between sets just sits there staring blankly off into space with a sly grin on his face aren’t ya? Now i finally know what’s going through his head. Mmmmmmmmm “Chiiiiicken, gotta get me some chiiiiicken” haha!
its a matter of pain tolerance. I know in my wrestling program we have squat work outs three times a week. And from reading basic barbell training its an exercise with proper form we could all learn to love. But until you learn that you have to take your beatings before you get to reap the benefits. The instant gratification of an upper body pump conquers all.
except for what proffesor X said on genetics that is just really terrible luck. But you can probably tell a person trains his entire body if their upper body mass has reached a point that their had to be some growth in their legs, just to continue their upper body development.
[quote]Carlitosway wrote:
jaybvee wrote:
Squats (or should I say the 2-3 days of recovery after squats or general leg work) HURT, even when done properly.
That’s why a lot of guys shy away from them to stick with the more mirror friendly self affirming easier to gauge development beach muscles such as the chest/back & arms.
Some guys don’t even care about full or lower body development, to each their own.
Then you have the group of hardcore lifters that are impeded by genetics but jump out of the gym, spike a volleyball on a 2nd floor ledge, squat and calf raise 600 lbs, BUT still have sticks for lower limbs despite their efforts.
I’m not even sure if women check out a guys’ legs. If that were so all guys would be squatting tons LOL
All I know is that any given day at the gyms I go to the squat rack is always free for me - unless some beast is doing curls in it
WTF? Show me these people who can properly squat parallel 600 lbs with stick like legs and calve raise strict 600 lbs on the machine. I have yet to see one or talk to someone in person. No not the internet in real life.
I don’t know where people come up with this info or where they get it. Just isn’t making sense. If you can squat 600 lbs you should be able to do 450-500 lbs for lots of reps and have huge fucking legs.
Also for calves I got a real bad high insertion point. I mean my ankles are thin as fuck going up quite a ways. I literally had to torture them with volume routines and dc methods just to get (which is working 4 me right now) them to reach average size. I’m hoping I can add another couple inches in the long run. Yet I know I have to add an enormous amount of mass to help.
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Uuuhhh - don’t know what to say but I should have added the comma. I did not mean stick leg boy could do 600 lbs squats w/perfect form, just meant the standing calf raise machine. Whatever.
Let’s end this post on a “mind our own fucking business & stay focused on self-progress” tip.
[quote]tnt2005 wrote:
its a matter of pain tolerance. I know in my wrestling program we have squat work outs three times a week. And from reading basic barbell training its an exercise with proper form we could all learn to love. But until you learn that you have to take your beatings before you get to reap the benefits. The instant gratification of an upper body pump conquers all.
except for what proffesor X said on genetics that is just really terrible luck. But you can probably tell a person trains his entire body if their upper body mass has reached a point that their had to be some growth in their legs, just to continue their upper body development.[/quote]
Nothing brings the inner beast out more than destroying my quads with the finisher set on the leg extension. It not about how much pain I can handle but if I have enough testicular fortitude to continue on after the burn turns numb, the mind goes blank and the only that matters is the muscle painfully contracting. Maybe that just me.
I hit my quads so hard I think I fuck them up sometimes especially at the bottom portion. I’ll get up in the morning and will flex and I can literally see it twitching and twist up into a knot then twitch some more while I’m in utter pain barely able to walk unless I deep massage it or let it subside.
Weird as hell. Does this happen to anyone else?
What happens to me the day after is that I’m fucking crippled. I cant get in my rig, I cant work. Thank God Costco has those high-powered fat/disabled person golf/shopping carts.
Speaking of legs, rumor has it Naim Süleymanoğlu would have to be carried to his apartment after every workout cause he’d just trash the living hell out of his legs during his workouts. But we’re talking about a guy who can clean and jerk over 3 times his body weight here
sigh… I have the reverse problem. I’m more balanced now, but naturally I have large thighs and a tiny, tiny upper body.
Only exception is calves… I feel like mine are just completely, ridiculously small. I have no idea on how to make them grow better, just hoping progression will help!
[quote]stockzy wrote:
roybot wrote:
I don’t really look at people in the gym and imagine their heads as roast chickens…It was meant to be a reference to ‘chicken legs’ and your comment about being hungry. Ah, never mind…
Suuuuuuuuuure you don’t Your that guy in the gym who between sets just sits there staring blankly off into space with a sly grin on his face aren’t ya? Now i finally know what’s going through his head. Mmmmmmmmm “Chiiiiicken, gotta get me some chiiiiicken” haha![/quote]
I must admit that sometimes I do get a little obsessive about getting in my protein quota for the day
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
As for the chicken leg dilemma. It’s rampant. No getting around it. In my mind every dude who is wearing running pants or sweats in the gym is hiding their legs. I know that’s wrong, but that’s where my mind goes.
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Haha I where running pants when I work out. Not to hide my legs, though.
[quote]jdad910 wrote:
Wait a minute. You can grow upper body muscles without doing squats? Next, you will tell me I can add size to my arms by doing curls, skull-crushers and stuff. The one thing I do know is that none of you will say you can grow muscles by working a muscle group hard once a week.
Sorry for my hi-jack. I’m a frustrated “starting strength” guy, who eats about 4500 cals a day.
If I “were” to start training the way guys who look like they lift weights train, I would def. work my legs.
Sorry Mr. Ripptoe
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