Sergio Martinez vs. Kelly Pavlik who takes it. I’m thinking Martinez.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]drewh wrote:
Sergio Martinez vs. Kelly Pavlik who takes it. I’m thinking Martinez.[/quote]
Tough fight. Martinez is a tough southpaw but he can be hit… and if he can get tagged by Pavlik, he can KO him.
I think Pavlik takes this one, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if martinez pulls out a decision. [/quote]
Agreed…I’m really interested in seeing Kelly’s state of mind. It seems like his mental state has been off since the Hopkins fight.
if wlad came out blazing and became more exiting, got a bunch of early KO’s, you people would STILL say he sucked, especially if he ever got caught and went down again. I think there is a lot of American bias towards an European heavyweight champion who is not from “the hood” trash talks, and generally acts like a thug.
Too bad.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
if wlad came out blazing and became more exiting, got a bunch of early KO’s, you people would STILL say he sucked, especially if he ever got caught and went down again. I think there is a lot of American bias towards an European heavyweight champion who is not from “the hood” trash talks, and generally acts like a thug.
Too bad. [/quote]
I’m not going to praise Ray Lewis if he went to a Pop Warner game and sacked the QB every down either.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
if wlad came out blazing and became more exiting, got a bunch of early KO’s, you people would STILL say he sucked, especially if he ever got caught and went down again. I think there is a lot of American bias towards an European heavyweight champion who is not from “the hood” trash talks, and generally acts like a thug.
Too bad. [/quote]
Please thats not it at all. I feel the heavyweight devision is similiar to what it was in the early 80’s. Poor Larry Holmes was leeps and bounds better then everyone else so the devision got boring. Thats why they started gimmik fights like the Cooney fight. Watching a Wlad fight is about as exciting as going to an accounting seminar… Both the Klitscho’s have been gifted with many attributes and they use them well. I think what your missing is that theres more to being a great champion than just winning fights. Wlad does a lot of good things like charity work and stuff but the problem is he has no charisma. He coms of as a stiff stuck up guy and Americans dont like that. So sorry to break it to you but he will never stand next to the Ali’s or Louis’s. Remember to be a GREAT champion you have to also beat great fighters. Laryy Holmes was the same way and thats why he isnt remembered like he should be. SORRY.
[quote]blackngrey609 wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
if wlad came out blazing and became more exiting, got a bunch of early KO’s, you people would STILL say he sucked, especially if he ever got caught and went down again. I think there is a lot of American bias towards an European heavyweight champion who is not from “the hood” trash talks, and generally acts like a thug.
Too bad. [/quote]
Please thats not it at all. I feel the heavyweight devision is similiar to what it was in the early 80’s. Poor Larry Holmes was leeps and bounds better then everyone else so the devision got boring. Thats why they started gimmik fights like the Cooney fight. Watching a Wlad fight is about as exciting as going to an accounting seminar… Both the Klitscho’s have been gifted with many attributes and they use them well. I think what your missing is that theres more to being a great champion than just winning fights. Wlad does a lot of good things like charity work and stuff but the problem is he has no charisma. He coms of as a stiff stuck up guy and Americans dont like that. So sorry to break it to you but he will never stand next to the Ali’s or Louis’s. Remember to be a GREAT champion you have to also beat great fighters. Laryy Holmes was the same way and thats why he isnt remembered like he should be. SORRY.[/quote]
I agree with most of your assessment. I dont agree with the many people who blather on forums like this that the K’s suck, and thats all there is to it.
you are right, they dont have much competition at this time. the klits have a rare combination of great size, power, skill, and sound work ethic. often their opponents might be skilled, but lack the size to be a threat to them(chris byrd, eddie chambers, sultan ibragomov, ect.) if they are big enough, they lack the golden amateur pedigree of the klits and or dont come in in shape(ray austin, tony thompson, sam peter, etc.).
with all the hype surrounding david haye, i think he will fall into the first category. After watching him be less than blazing against the freak-show Valuev, what makes anyone think he will fair better against super-heavyweights that are skilled, can move, and can crack?
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
if wlad came out blazing and became more exiting, got a bunch of early KO’s, you people would STILL say he sucked, especially if he ever got caught and went down again. I think there is a lot of American bias towards an European heavyweight champion who is not from “the hood” trash talks, and generally acts like a thug.
Too bad. [/quote]
I’m not going to praise Ray Lewis if he went to a Pop Warner game and sacked the QB every down either.
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??? what are you even trying to say? does your analogy refer to the size advantage they have over many of there opponents? well damn, thats not fair is it? heck while we are at it, its not fair all of those top NBA players are all so tall…they should install small trampolines at various places on the court to make it fair for the short guys!
Is it a lack of skill their opponents have? sorry, but they are fighting who is put in front of them. remember, anyone with a greater than .500 record that is promoted by Don King will get the status of “mandatory challenger” for the title, so the Klits HAVE to swat that garbage King throws at them on a regular basis. Should W.K. have a lobotomy, to remove the skills he developed in 100’s of fights as a world class amateur?
this like i said is just silly. you get the last word. I grow weary.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
if wlad came out blazing and became more exiting, got a bunch of early KO’s, you people would STILL say he sucked, especially if he ever got caught and went down again. I think there is a lot of American bias towards an European heavyweight champion who is not from “the hood” trash talks, and generally acts like a thug.
Too bad. [/quote]
I’m not going to praise Ray Lewis if he went to a Pop Warner game and sacked the QB every down either.
[/quote]
??? what are you even trying to say? does your analogy refer to the size advantage they have over many of there opponents? well damn, thats not fair is it? heck while we are at it, its not fair all of those top NBA players are all so tall…they should install small trampolines at various places on the court to make it fair for the short guys!
Is it a lack of skill their opponents have? sorry, but they are fighting who is put in front of them. remember, anyone with a greater than .500 record that is promoted by Don King will get the status of “mandatory challenger” for the title, so the Klits HAVE to swat that garbage King throws at them on a regular basis. Should W.K. have a lobotomy, to remove the skills he developed in 100’s of fights as a world class amateur?
this like i said is just silly. you get the last word. I grow weary. [/quote]
Wlad has never really stepped it up, he took his mandatory fights against B/C/D fighters to get the title shot, got the title, then went right back to fighting B/C fighters. The attempt to show he dominates the division has never been made. My analogy symbolizes that; a talented person doesn’t deserve recognition for sandbagging. That’s why I like Vitali more, he’s willing to do more to show he’s a good fighter.
I know the HW division is weak right now, everyone knows that. But neither Klitschko is even attempting to go out and dismantle the top fighters in the division, they’re content with taking silly fights that add nothing to their legacy.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
By the way fellas- is it just me, or does there seem to be a resurgence in interest in boxing?
I’ve been talking about fights with folks that I never thought watched it…[/quote]
I hope it just means people are realizing boxing and mma are totally different and can both be appritiated for the skill involved in them.
I think David Haye will make for an interesting fight with either of the two brothers
[quote]StephenD wrote:
I think David Haye will make for an interesting fight with either of the two brothers
I think Wlad or Vitali will show what they’re really capable of in the fight. I just hope Haye wears the shirt with him holding their decapitated heads during his ring walk, that would be hilarious.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
By the way fellas- is it just me, or does there seem to be a resurgence in interest in boxing?
I’ve been talking about fights with folks that I never thought watched it…[/quote]
Have you talked to them about it before? They might watch fights but never talk about boxing.
I think the [potential]Mayweather/Pacquiao controversy brought more attention to boxing.
Looks like a bigger, leaner R Kelly.
ya, i was going to comment on haye, i was impressed with his performance against john ruiz. not that ruiz is a contender, but he is a legitiate durable heavyweight. i think a haye VK fight will be great. I think VK wants to end his career with a big fight, and i think he wants that fight to be with Haye. I say make it happen.
Oh, BTW, Haye is FREAKING HUGE for a cruiserweight. he dwarfed Ruiz, who is a decent sized HW.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
if wlad came out blazing and became more exiting, got a bunch of early KO’s, you people would STILL say he sucked, especially if he ever got caught and went down again. I think there is a lot of American bias towards an European heavyweight champion who is not from “the hood” trash talks, and generally acts like a thug.
Too bad. [/quote]
I’m not going to praise Ray Lewis if he went to a Pop Warner game and sacked the QB every down either.
[/quote]
??? what are you even trying to say? does your analogy refer to the size advantage they have over many of there opponents? well damn, thats not fair is it? heck while we are at it, its not fair all of those top NBA players are all so tall…they should install small trampolines at various places on the court to make it fair for the short guys!
Is it a lack of skill their opponents have? sorry, but they are fighting who is put in front of them. remember, anyone with a greater than .500 record that is promoted by Don King will get the status of “mandatory challenger” for the title, so the Klits HAVE to swat that garbage King throws at them on a regular basis. Should W.K. have a lobotomy, to remove the skills he developed in 100’s of fights as a world class amateur?
this like i said is just silly. you get the last word. I grow weary. [/quote]
Wlad has never really stepped it up, he took his mandatory fights against B/C/D fighters to get the title shot, got the title, then went right back to fighting B/C fighters. The attempt to show he dominates the division has never been made. My analogy symbolizes that; a talented person doesn’t deserve recognition for sandbagging. That’s why I like Vitali more, he’s willing to do more to show he’s a good fighter.
I know the HW division is weak right now, everyone knows that. But neither Klitschko is even attempting to go out and dismantle the top fighters in the division, they’re content with taking silly fights that add nothing to their legacy.
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What “A” level fighters has either of the Klits dodged?
Anyone catch Arild haugen’s three first fights? In his first two he absolutely killed his opponents in the first round, but in the third he seemes timid and just couldn’t land…Except for one punch that broke his opponent’s ribs, making him quit. He has no amateur record, went straight to pro with no previous experience…
haye would get murdered by either of the klitchko’s, his style won’t help him any, their jabs would be raping his face since he’s really not THAT fast.
[quote]adarqui wrote:
haye would get murdered by either of the klitchko’s, his style won’t help him any, their jabs would be raping his face since he’s really not THAT fast.[/quote]
It would be interesting for sure, I think Haye is fast enough not only hand speed but on his feet as well. Its a fight that would certainly bring about alot of attention for boxing in general which isn’t all bad. So yeah i would put money on Haye for a big upset… apparently
I definitely think Haye is fast enough for Wlad, he’d outpace him as well. IMO, Haye is a loud mouth wanker, but he is the best mover in the top ranks of the HW division, and after watching a lot of his fights lately, I quite like him, as a fighter that is, not as a person (or at least what his antics captured on camera show)
Shit, I’ll be completely honest, Haye has made me actually pay attention to the Heavies again.
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
I definitely think Haye is fast enough for Wlad, he’d outpace him as well. IMO, Haye is a loud mouth wanker, but he is the best mover in the top ranks of the HW division, and after watching a lot of his fights lately, I quite like him, as a fighter that is, not as a person (or at least what his antics captured on camera show)
Shit, I’ll be completely honest, Haye has made me actually pay attention to the Heavies again.[/quote]
ditto