[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
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That issue has been gone over a whole lot on this forum. I know for myself, I wouldn’t have gotten as big as I was and the size I’m maintain now–220 pounds–on far fewer calories had I not gone through a long bulk. I bulked up too much at times, but not to the limits that X and Fatty Fat have. I can maintain 220 with about 14% bodyfat at 5’10" without even eating much or training as much and as intensely as I did. I didn’t even lose much muscle while consuming about 1,200 to 1,300 calories on the Rapid Fat loss diet with near zero starchy carbs and training twice per week.
I’m not as advanced as X - never was, never will be. However, I still disagree with him on the EXTENT of bulking. I don’t see a point in going above 15 percent bodyfat. I did go above 15 percent, but I’m not sure if I can attribute that to my gains in size and strength. Added bodyweight will help to a great degree with max strength, but I don’t know if it will lead to greater gains in muscle mass up to a point because the bodyweight is supplying leverage, stability, and cushioning during some lifts. (You know how much easier it is to overhead press when your forearms spring off a fat AND muscular arm at the bottom position? Or how much easier is to squat when you have a fat and muscular neck, upper back, calves, stomach, and hams? A lot easier.)
I think the flawed yo-yo strategy results from eating too much. A guy, in an effort to get bigger, starts eating more–albeit too much–and then sees his poundages going up and some muscle gain. Then a few weeks go by and his clothing doesn’t fit too nicely anymore and people start informing him he’s fat. Then he looks in the mirror and he notices that he IS fat! So he starts back pedaling with the food intake - TOO MUCH in that direction also! So he winds up losing some of the gains he made. It turns into a vicious cycle in which the dude is either strong but too fat, or stringy and weak. The key is to bulk up, but no go overboard. It will involve some tracking of food intake with measuring cups, scales, and food labels at first. When you get more experienced you use more instincts and “eyeballing” of portions. [/quote]
I have a few problems with this post. I think when you start throwing numbers out there (i.e. “15% bodyfat”) kids are going to read this and think that they need to start dieting as soon as they hit what they think is 15% bodyfat. The same problem happened - although I wasn’t here to see it - with that Thibs 10% article, HELL, when I first joined, that was literally the first article I read, I had no experience, no knowledge, so I believed it. LUCKILY I didn’t cut down to 10% before bulking. I was convinced otherwise by more experienced guys.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, maybe it’s not worth going above 15% bodyfat, but the problem is reading your post may cause people to under eat and/or try to eat “clean” all the time - which we generally know does not work, in fear of going past 15% bodyfat. What I’m saying is, it is a bit careless to be throwing numbers around, especially since people are gonna listen to you Brick. No-one really knows when they are 15%, or 10%, or 20%. They can only guess (unless they have a really good body fat test done - I’m not sure of the best method tbh). Also what if there is a young guy who wants to get as big as he possibly can; let’s say he’s at 16% body fat. Should he be wasting time cutting down before gaining even though these are his best gaining years and he has practically no muscle yet? What if he’s already started a little late, and hasn’t really got any time to lose if he wants to get truly huge? It’s been a while, but from what I remember reading about Prof X and Way’s training, they never really did any cutting cycles (correct me if wrong!), but when bodyfat was an issue, did “damage control” instead, and it certainly seemed to work for them!
I think what you said in the second half of your post however is spot on. That is exactly what happened to Artem (people can learn from that kid’s mistakes). However, to break through a set point (there’s a great thread on that in T-Cell), you may need to go overboard for a little while (well, that is MY experience). What is most important is making sure you are seeing gains in strength that justify the bodyweight gains. You have to bust your ass in the gym.