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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]alit4 wrote:

interesting. this is the sort of speed the biggest guys in my gym train at too. apart from maybe the last few reps.[/quote]

My reps are pretty fast for most body parts, especially lately.

The smallest people I see are always the ones using super slow rep methods.
I am also not saying there is anything wrong with slowing down the negative. I USED to do that years back but have found faster reps (especially for arms and chest) to be more effective.[/quote]

When i first stated training in the late late 90’s i lifted fast, had no idea why, just did, then i read an article here about “super slow” training so naturally changed to it the next day. 8 sec reps or something.

I honestly thought i was going to die of boredom during my workout. Thankfully they printed one soon after about lifting fast so i changed back.

ahhhh the old days.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]alit4 wrote:

interesting. this is the sort of speed the biggest guys in my gym train at too. apart from maybe the last few reps.[/quote]

My reps are pretty fast for most body parts, especially lately.

The smallest people I see are always the ones using super slow rep methods.
I am also not saying there is anything wrong with slowing down the negative. I USED to do that years back but have found faster reps (especially for arms and chest) to be more effective.[/quote]

I do concur. You obviously get to initiate more the “stretch reflex” and use more of that stored energy found in your tendons and ligaments. I was finding that if I trained slower…at times it would illict some minor joint pain…Faster = More force production. Good stuff.

As per Steely’s recommendation, not trying to whore myself out, but some stuff the pros went over at the seminar I attended that were worth listening too IMO…

Here’s the stuff I learned/knew but needed reminding.

Alright well Evan demostrated how to squat properly. Said it was good to stretch everything including chest before squats.

Evan really emphasized stretching. Said it helped prevent injury. Says he didn’t give stretching and warming up too much importance as a youth and that was a mistake. The whole bull shit of stretching making you weaker seems to be bull shit.

For taller dudes rest the bar on the lower traps to stay away from bending over during the lift. To use lighter weight and focus on the muscle rather than balling out and fucking good morning the weight.

They also stressed hitting the weak links first. Everyone builds up quads but that’s not a complete leg.

Dorian went over his rowing, how to squeeze the bar and how it’s stupid to move the torso during the lift. Basically being very strict, taking the bar to the lower belly and focusing on the squeeze. After you can’t complete a full rep do half reps.

He also talked about how machine pullovers were his best back exercise. How they target only the lat and elimnate the biceps, the weak link in back training. Also showed us how to deadlift. Said intensity is what builds a champion not volume and that he would hit 9 sets of back every 6-7 days ramping sets.

Rodney and Kevin English went on to discuss proper pressing technique, how you should push your shoulder back and retract the scapula rather than rounding the shoulders during presses. Stuff we know. Also reaffirmed that these dudes barbell bench and incline every workout so you don’t need all the crazy shit, and benching ain’t bad unless you’re a pussy. When I say benching, I mean flat, incline etc, or some variation because everyones chest responds differently

Rodney went on to explain that hitting heavy weights is majority mental. He gets pissed at the bar psyches himself up and gives it his all. Can’t doubt yourself.

Branch went over shoulders, talked about his training, explained why he doesn’t lock out his militaries because it’s delts not tris we are training. Explained how military press was his main shoulder exercise.

Branch also said when doing front raises to keep your hands in a hammer curl position because it targets the front delt better.

Vic was arms. He showed proper curling technique. To raise the arm so in a way your trying to touch you shoulder and get a full contraction. Said do not wrist curl the bar when curling and don’t use straps. Said he prefers free weight moves first, machines after.

Went onto explain that dips and bench dips were his favorite tricep builders, god his triceps were enormous, and went over that. Said to come down to about 4 inches off your chest on close grips. Any lower and you get chest involvement. Mentioned overhead rope extensions were great. And some other exercise I’ll video cause I don’t know it’s name.

Ohhh and when doing preachers, the more the set goes on the more our elbows tend to turn and our arms become wider and wider apart. He said to keep the elbows tight and to try and keep the arms from moving.

If I didn’t explain something clearly, please ask.

Thanks for posting AB.

And suddenly, the BB forum kicks fucking ass. Thanks guys, from contributors to thread starters, and others giving quality input.

Sweetness

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
For taller dudes rest the bar on the lower traps to stay away from bending over during the lift. To use lighter weight and focus on the muscle rather than balling out and fucking good morning the weight.
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Speaking from personal experience - I have always found that the higher the bar position the better the leg development. The lower bar position requires me to lean forward in order to keep the bar above my centre of gravity which results in a squat that shifts some of the load away from the legs and towards the lower back. The lower the bar position the more good morning like my squat is.

[quote]NIguy wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
For taller dudes rest the bar on the lower traps to stay away from bending over during the lift. To use lighter weight and focus on the muscle rather than balling out and fucking good morning the weight.
[/quote]

Speaking from personal experience - I have always found that the higher the bar position the better the leg development. The lower bar position requires me to lean forward in order to keep the bar above my centre of gravity which results in a squat that shifts some of the load away from the legs and towards the lower back. The lower the bar position the more good morning like my squat is.[/quote]

Really doesn’t make sense dude. Picture the bar on your neck, your going to be leaning over more to squat that shit. Your body goes where your head goes, having that shit high on your traps or neck is going to have you leaning forward.

I can’t believe and am so friggin’ glad this thread blew up like this!

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

[quote]NIguy wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
For taller dudes rest the bar on the lower traps to stay away from bending over during the lift. To use lighter weight and focus on the muscle rather than balling out and fucking good morning the weight.
[/quote]

Speaking from personal experience - I have always found that the higher the bar position the better the leg development. The lower bar position requires me to lean forward in order to keep the bar above my centre of gravity which results in a squat that shifts some of the load away from the legs and towards the lower back. The lower the bar position the more good morning like my squat is.[/quote]

Really doesn’t make sense dude. Picture the bar on your neck, your going to be leaning over more to squat that shit. Your body goes where your head goes, having that shit high on your traps or neck is going to have you leaning forward. [/quote]

No it doesn’t, it is because the bar is closer to your centre of gravity, i.e. above the feet. When you have a low bar squat the bar is further down your back away from your centre of gravity in order to put the bar over the feet you need to lean further forwards.

Check this;
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Bx1GE8P-ZMs/SwwZJbZ84uI/AAAAAAAACP4/gDu2nAD_4b8/s1600/800px-Squat_Bar_Placement.jpg

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I can’t believe and am so friggin’ glad this thread blew up like this![/quote]

The BB forum seems to have taken a turn for the better. Let’s keep it going and keep the trolling at bay.

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

[quote]NIguy wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
For taller dudes rest the bar on the lower traps to stay away from bending over during the lift. To use lighter weight and focus on the muscle rather than balling out and fucking good morning the weight.
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Correct.

Wrong, high trap placement allows you to stand upright better because you don’t have to lean forward to balance the weight. A low back placement does make you lean forward more to balance the weight, otherwise you will fall backwards or drop the weight. This has alot to do with where the bar aligns with relation to your heels. If the bar is farther back you need to lean forward more to hold the bar better.

That is probably why a lower placement is recommended to a taller lifter due them needing to lean forward more than a shorter lifter. I have always seen it to be true that most bodybuilders looking for leg size will have a narrower stance and a higher bar placement. A powerlifted whose main concern is moving big weights will typically have a lower placement of the bar.

[quote]Heracles_rocks wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

[quote]NIguy wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
For taller dudes rest the bar on the lower traps to stay away from bending over during the lift. To use lighter weight and focus on the muscle rather than balling out and fucking good morning the weight.
[/quote]

Correct.

Wrong, high trap placement allows you to stand upright better because you don’t have to lean forward to balance the weight. A low back placement does make you lean forward more to balance the weight, otherwise you will fall backwards or drop the weight. This has alot to do with where the bar aligns with relation to your heels. If the bar is farther back you need to lean forward more to hold the bar better.

That is probably why a lower placement is recommended to a taller lifter due them needing to lean forward more than a shorter lifter. I have always seen it to be true that most bodybuilders looking for leg size will have a narrower stance and a higher bar placement. A powerlifted whose main concern is moving big weights will typically have a lower placement of the bar. [/quote]

Agreed.

One of the biggest problems I see with regards to squatting, particularly for bodybuilders is the rise of Ripptoe. The squat technique he teaches is a fucking shambles, it is some kind of dirty hybrid of the powerlifter squat and the full olympic squat. This is a guy who hates bodybuilders yet I see day in day out bodybuilders espousing his athletic squat. I personally did a style of squatting similar to his for several years with fuck fanny all leg development because my lower back was doing most of the lifting. Since changing to the high bar I have never looked back, my leg development is much better. What’s amazing is that it took me 3-4 years to figure that shit out.

Word gentlemen, you keep doing what you got to do, and I found the lower placement on my trap more comfortable and causing me to good morning less. I am also tall, that is all.

[quote]NIguy wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
For taller dudes rest the bar on the lower traps to stay away from bending over during the lift. To use lighter weight and focus on the muscle rather than balling out and fucking good morning the weight.
[/quote]

Speaking from personal experience - I have always found that the higher the bar position the better the leg development. The lower bar position requires me to lean forward in order to keep the bar above my centre of gravity which results in a squat that shifts some of the load away from the legs and towards the lower back. The lower the bar position the more good morning like my squat is.[/quote]

My brother used to have the bar low (as recommended by his friend who’d watched like one power lifter) and was wondering why he kept leaning forward (especially as he reached the bottom)…more or less stopped as soon as he put the bar higher up.

He has short legs, but a long torso. Something I believe makes him more prone to leaning forward. I think that a person’s build (e.g. legs to torso ratio) is more important than just their height when determining squat positions etc.

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

Alright well Evan demostrated how to squat properly. Said it was good to stretch everything including chest before squats.

Evan really emphasized stretching. Said it helped prevent injury. Says he didn’t give stretching and warming up too much importance as a youth and that was a mistake. The whole bull shit of stretching making you weaker seems to be bull shit.

If I didn’t explain something clearly, please ask.[/quote]

Great post, thanks for sharing.

I am in total agreement about the stretching. I had always stretched thoroughly before liftng (lower body anyway), both dynamic and static, until a few years ago when I heard about those studies claiming static streching before lifting can contribute to as much as a 10% decline in strength. Hell, a lot of coaches on this very site were saying the same thing - stick with dynamic stretching only.

Lo and behold over the next year or two that I followed this advice, I had more nagging injuries than I had in the previous 10 lifting weights. I also finally realizd that my performance was not 1 iota better for having done so. In fact, I felt better moving heavy weights when I felt fully loose, rather than the lingering tightness I experienced that giving up static strecthing had left me with.

Back to static stretching for me.

[quote]doubleh wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

Alright well Evan demostrated how to squat properly. Said it was good to stretch everything including chest before squats.

Evan really emphasized stretching. Said it helped prevent injury. Says he didn’t give stretching and warming up too much importance as a youth and that was a mistake. The whole bull shit of stretching making you weaker seems to be bull shit.

If I didn’t explain something clearly, please ask.[/quote]

Great post, thanks for sharing.

I am in total agreement about the stretching. I had always stretched thoroughly before liftng (lower body anyway), both dynamic and static, until a few years ago when I heard about those studies claiming static streching before lifting can contribute to as much as a 10% decline in strength. Hell, a lot of coaches on this very site were saying the same thing - stick with dynamic stretching only.

Lo and behold over the next year or two that I followed this advice, I had more nagging injuries than I had in the previous 10 lifting weights. I also finally realizd that my performance was not 1 iota better for having done so. In fact, I felt better moving heavy weights when I felt fully loose, rather than the lingering tightness I experienced that giving up static strecthing had left me with.

Back to static stretching for me.[/quote]

Just out of curiosity, what types of stretching do you do to warm up the muscles. I notice I have to keep my first few warm up sets relatively slow otherwise my joints feel a kinda screwed but have never really done much stretching, probably in part because of people mentioning things like it hurts stretch and to not stretch a cold muscle (the 2nd part is something I’ve always heard, seems right but I’m not really sure).

Squatted today with the bar on my lower traps. Did not lean over nearly as much when it was high, however the amount of weight I moved remained relatively the same as last week.

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Squatted today with the bar on my lower traps. Did not lean over nearly as much when it was high, however the amount of weight I moved remained relatively the same as last week. [/quote]

Are you sure you’re still retracting your shoulder blades and flexing your lats when you switch to a high-bar position.

The lower-bar placement DOES create a forward lean and this is beneficial for powerlifters because with this forward lean the erectors and glutes become more involved and allow them to move more weight in addition to shortening the lever arm (distance between the bar and the waist).

High-bar placement allows for a more upright stance and more quad development, hence why Olympic lifters and bodybuilder use it.

The static stretching thing is bullshit. How effective can you be in the weight room when you’re jacked up. Besides, like Ian King said, even if static stretching does relax your nerves a bit–what goes down can go up–and your nerves will get revved up again in subsequent warmup sets.

Jim Wendler, a 1000-pound squatter, said that, in heyday, he couldn’t squat properly unless he started off his lower body sessions with static stretching.

Muscles that often get jammed up are the hip flexors, lats, glutes, hip adductors and abductors, erectors, and traps.

My warmup was more lengthy when I was more jammed up after I become so tight from shitty programs (experimenting with shit like GVT and HST jammed me up so badly I had to see a chiropractor). I learned about real training and warming up.

Because I’m far looser and balanced structurally now, I need less of a warmup. For me, it’s 3 to 5 minutes on the treadmill and then another 10 minutes of dynamic and static stretching. I do a lot of the mobility drills pushed by Eric Cressey: bird-dogs, fire hydrants, toy soldiers, over-unders with the Smith machine, butt kicks, and so on. I also do some glute-activation drills on my lower body days.

I stretch my hip flexors, lats, and traps EVERY time I work out.

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Muscles that often get jammed up are the hip flexors, lats, glutes, hip adductors and abductors, erectors, and traps.

My warmup was more lengthy when I was more jammed up after I become so tight from shitty programs (experimenting with shit like GVT and HST jammed me up so badly I had to see a chiropractor). I learned about real training and warming up.

Because I’m far looser and balanced structurally now, I need less of a warmup. For me, it’s 3 to 5 minutes on the treadmill and then another 10 minutes of dynamic and static stretching. I do a lot of the mobility drills pushed by Eric Cressey: bird-dogs, fire hydrants, toy soldiers, over-unders with the Smith machine, butt kicks, and so on. I also do some glute-activation drills on my lower body days.

I stretch my hip flexors, lats, and traps EVERY time I work out. [/quote]

You learn this very quickly after injury as well. One thing a back injury did for me was set me right for the rest of my life on warmup, mobility, and proper stretching, pre and post w/o. When my hip flexors, glutes, and/or hams are tight, my whole body knows it.